Is a lie a lie if it's not intentional?

[Alone]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Meh I still think he is a liar.

You have some issues to work out if you consider this person a liar.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: Chryso
You are really stretching the definition of lie here.
If you take a test and get less than 100% did you lie about the other answers?

If I tell you I am going to get 100% of the questions right on the test with every intention of getting 100% right, but miss 2 questions, did I lie? I did not intend to miss any. But I told you ahead of time I would not miss any.

You can restate your position as many times as you want using as many examples as you want. It won't make a difference. I don't think anyone agrees with you. So sorry.

But - he should call when he's going to be late. It's common courtesy.

 

[Pacemaker]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

Techically both are right.

 

[FusionKnight]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Meh I still think he is a liar.

Then why did you ask if you had already drawn your conclusion on the matter?

FK

 

[Howard]

Yes.

 

[Pacemaker]

Is it technically a lie, sure it is. Am I going to treat that person as if they are a liar? no. Now if the person does it all the time I would probably stop inviting them to things, but even then I wouldn't go around calling them a liar.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: crt1530
Lie:
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Stop being such a woman.

hehe, sorta mean, but damn I hear ya!

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: DougK62
A lie implies that when the statement was made he already had in his head that it wasn't true.

So maybe you were lied to and maybe you weren't - it depends on if when he told you he'd be home at 8 if that was what he really thought, or if he really knew he'd be home at 9 and was just playing you.

this is what i was going to say. if they told you that with every intention of being there at 7, its not a lie. if they were telling you 7 and knew they would be later then its a lie. how do you prove either way tho?

start answering the "ill be home at 8" with "so i'll see ya at 9 then" and see if he notices the trend.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: FusionKnight

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Meh I still think he is a liar.

Then why did you ask if you had already drawn your conclusion on the matter?

FK

I didn't come here to have someone change my mind. I just wanted to know what ATOT thinks and they have spoken.

 

[markgm]

He's not lying, he's just unreliable. I'm not sure which is worse.

 

[compman25]

I think you are all lying. Liars.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
So, you got stood up?

No no, I am just tired of my SO saying he will be home at 8, and coming home at 9 from work.
He said he would be home at 8 and so I made us dinner. By the time he got home it was cold and nasty. I told him I don't appreciate being lied to, and next time he wants dinner he can cook it for himself.

He's what... 18? (IIRC)
He's not lying he's just an irresponsible kid who should have called to let you know he was going to be late.

If he's telling you 8pm and he's deliberately not coming home till 9pm, that's a lie. Lies are intentionally deceptive. To determine if a statement is a lie you have to first determine intent.

 

[KarmaPolice]

No

 

[imported_Imp]

Meh, a lie is only really a lie to the person who made it. Otherwise, they are either stupid, unreliable, tardy or bad with something.

 

[Skunkwourk]

"Its not a lie, if you believe it" - George Costanza

 

[Albatross]

sincerity does not create truth

 

[Savarak]

Marge, it takes two to lie, one to lie and one to listen (not exact quote)

 

[Mo0o]

In my opinion he's only "lying" if he is knowingly making a false statement. Otherwise, he would just be breaking a promise. Two different things.

On a side note, quite being such a priss and get over it

 

[xtknight]

If it's such a big deal, it just sounds like you really didn't even want to make him a meal in the first place. If little things irritate you a lot, you may not be ready for a relationship. I know that at times I feel the same way, and I realize later that I'm just being completely unreasonable with the person (it is generally a problem of obsessive-compulsive which I won't deny that I have). If I feel like I'm killing myself to do stuff for the other person and I feel like they're not doing the same I can get extremely pissed off (strong feelings are a scary thing), often to the point of hating them for a brief period of time. Regardless, it's likely just a difference of standards more than anything else. It may take awhile to get over but I think it's still possible to be in a relationship with someone like that since inevitably the two of you will 'decide' on some happy medium. Then those strong irritation feelings will fade a little too.

 

[tcsenter]

Awareness of the false, deceptive, or untrue nature of the information, or of the probability that it is false or untrue, must be possessed at the time the statement is made, not revealed or learned after the fact.

How does someone reach the 8th grade without knowing that a lie must include an element of witting falsehood, misrepresentation, or untruth?