Is a joke on shooting illegal immigrants acceptable from our government?

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Phokus

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Not sociopaths, just your garden variety cowards and wanna-be bullies. You give them far too much credit.

Some of them do walk the walk though:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Police: Killer targeted church for liberal views

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — An out-of-work truck driver accused of opening fire at a Unitarian church, killing two people, left behind a note suggesting that he targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal policies, including its acceptance of gays, authorities said Monday.
A four-page letter found in Jim D. Adkisson's small SUV indicated he intentionally targeted the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church because, the police chief said, "he hated the liberal movement" and was upset with "liberals in general as well as gays."
 

Phokus

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You're no better.
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Oh really? I've murdered someone now? Since you're going to reply to my link:

Conservatives are violent sociopaths... just remember they actually carry out violence against those they hate:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31372196&postcount=22

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Police: Killer targeted church for liberal views

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — An out-of-work truck driver accused of opening fire at a Unitarian church, killing two people, left behind a note suggesting that he targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal policies, including its acceptance of gays, authorities said Monday.
A four-page letter found in Jim D. Adkisson's small SUV indicated he intentionally targeted the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church because, the police chief said, "he hated the liberal movement" and was upset with "liberals in general as well as gays."
 

Jaskalas

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What does one do with 10s of millions of invaders who assimilate your land piece by piece, instead of your land assimilating them?

People are frustrated by the Government's apparent answer of ignoring the problem and playing lip service to our concerns. That frustration turns to anger, and anger to violence. A joke today is a gun shot tomorrow and it's not because of the joke either.

What we need is an acceptable resolution to our open border. Put the military on it AND close it. Then, and only then, might we come to rational grips with the problem at hand, where 1/4th of our entire population will be this Spanish speaking underclass by 2100.

Are there any leaders in this nation, or will our problems sit and fester into a blood bath? No, killing them is not an option. Hell, simply deporting them isn't either. Stopping them from increasing in number should be the highest priority. Then assimilate the remaining population.
 

Matt1970

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Awww, I bet you guys miss Keith Olberman. It just hasn't been the same without him.
 

Phokus

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Only a coward would walk into a church and gun down unarmed people. He also cried like a lil bitch when he got his ass hauled in and his suicide attempt was thwarted.

This type of thinking is pretty prevalent amongst conservatives. That's one of they reasons why they love guns so much, they have fantasies about it, but they also wouldn't do it ostensibly because they don't like going to prison. I think one resident ATPN conservative, Arkaign, explained it well:

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How fucking idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies' - Arkaign on the radicalization of the GOP
 

wuliheron

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Is this a lack of professionalism? Or, a slip of his true wishes and intentions?



http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/17/kansas.rep.immigrants/index.html?hpt=T2

EDIT: title SHOULD have read; "Is a joke on shooting illegal immigrants acceptable from our government officials?"


It's a lack of accountability. The people let politicians get away with such statements or even encourage them. No doubt many might even argue that it was just made for dramatic effect or in jest, but even then the public is empowered to hold their elected officials accountable. The less they are held accountable for such statements, which is common in the US, the more such statements you will hear.
 

Steeplerot

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This type of thinking is pretty prevalent amongst conservatives. That's one of they reasons why they love guns so much, they have fantasies about it, but they also wouldn't do it ostensibly because they don't like going to prison. I think one resident ATPN conservative, Arkaign, explained it well:

Small penis, cultural isolation, low iq or lack of critical thinking in their parenting and bam..a wingnut is born.

Personally I think Conservatism is more of a manipulated aspect of the human conditioning in a super advertising/consumerist society of wanting to fit in to a "cause" herd mentality that keeps them lockstep with whatever crazy shit comes through the radio/fox. Conservatism is nothing but a cult with its own reality.

You have the "true" believers that ignore facts with a creepy blank stare or canned responses on cue. Teapartiers/modern conservatism is a corporate PR radio cult. Only almost a 100 years of consumer manipulation and headtripping people into wanting crap for reasons tied to their egos and self-worth by corporations could create the monsters such as Limbaugh and Fox to get away with pushing workers against their own best interests.
 
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Nebor

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Uh, this is the official policy enacted on Mexico's southern border. It's enforced with the military, and machine guns. Why the disparity in southern border policies?
 

Steeplerot

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Uh, this is the official policy enacted on Mexico's southern border. It's enforced with the military, and machine guns. Why the disparity in southern border policies?

You live in Mexico? Oh, I see, you think we should be more LIKE Mexico. So what's the problem with their people here esse? :D
 

Zebo

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There is a lot of ways to git r dun - you can kill off old age and welfare people to save budget, Machine gun interlopers, etc but I though we live in USA not NAZI Germany.
 

Matt1970

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So it's just fine when the Liberals do it, or are we ignoring them?

Liberal online political magazine Salon.com published a letter to the editor yesterday that called for the murder of 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

Lee Harvey Oswald - Communist

Arizona mass murderer Jared Loughner, is apparently a rabid left-winger. A radical left-wing, Marxist -loving, Hitler-loving, Bible-hating, flag-burning, atheistic pot-head.
 

BoberFett

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I'm just stopping by to drop off some rain coats so the rest of you don't get covered in all the saliva and ejaculate from Phokus and RedUnderYourBed.

I'm pro-gay-marriage, but I can't say seeing two guys slobber all over each others knobs like that is something I want to stick around for.
 

spidey07

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They all should be saying it. When someone invades your country, you kill them. Tends to discourage them from doing it again.
 

Steeplerot

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So it's just fine when the Liberals do it, or are we ignoring them?

Liberal online political magazine Salon.com published a letter to the editor yesterday that called for the murder of 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

Lee Harvey Oswald - Communist

Arizona mass murderer Jared Loughner, is apparently a rabid left-winger. A radical left-wing, Marxist -loving, Hitler-loving, Bible-hating, flag-burning, atheistic pot-head.

As I was saying, folks with their own facts and realities, this one if not a troll is totally brainwashed by his tv/radio. Sad.
 

Steeplerot

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I'm just stopping by to drop off some rain coats so the rest of you don't get covered in all the saliva and ejaculate from Phokus and RedUnderYourBed.

I'm pro-gay-marriage, but I can't say seeing two guys slobber all over each others knobs like that is something I want to stick around for.

What is your deal with gay sex analogies? The creepy repressed conservative thing is soooo 2004 girl.
 

Phokus

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So it's just fine when the Liberals do it, or are we ignoring them?

Liberal online political magazine Salon.com published a letter to the editor yesterday that called for the murder of 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

Lee Harvey Oswald - Communist

Arizona mass murderer Jared Loughner, is apparently a rabid left-winger. A radical left-wing, Marxist -loving, Hitler-loving, Bible-hating, flag-burning, atheistic pot-head.

You'd think those 'liberals' would go after Republicans.

Loughner is more of an alex jones type libertarian conspiracy theorist than anything else (although people close to him say he's more apolitical)... not exactly progressive on abortion and women in general either:

In the initial aftermath of the 2011 Tucson shooting, the media speculated that Loughner's political views had been fueled by extremist rhetoric. Records show that Loughner was registered as an independent voter and voted in 2006 and 2008, but not in 2010.[21][22] A YouTube channel under an account called "Classitup10" was linked to Loughner.[23][24] Loughner had also posted a video on YouTube in which he described his school, Pima Community College, as "one of the biggest scams in America". This video led to Loughner being suspended from the school.[25] One classmate stated that Loughner had laughed at a young woman and likened her to a terrorist after she read a poem about getting an abortion.[26][27] Classmates identified Loughner as a nihilist and atheist, and noted that he was critical of religion.[16][20][26][28] An old friend, Bryce Tierney, discussed several of Loughner's views. According to him, Loughner had exhibited a longstanding dislike for Gabrielle Giffords, a Blue Dog Democrat, and he repeatedly derided her as a "fake." This grudge intensified when he attended her August 25, 2007, event and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer his question: "What is government if words have no meaning?"[20] Loughner kept Gifford's form letter, which thanked him for attending the 2007 event. An envelope in the same box as the letter was scrawled with phrases like "die bitch" and "assassination plans have been made."[29] Loughner was known to believe, and to say, that women should not hold positions of power.[30][31] Loughner's best friend, Zach Osler, disputed speculation by media commentators that Loughner's actions were fueled by partisan politics and rhetoric, insisting, "He did not watch TV, he disliked the news, he didn't listen to political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the Left, he wasn't on the Right," and instead conspiracy theories had a profound effect on him.[10] Another friend, Zane Gutierrez, later told the New York Times that Loughner's anger would also "well up at the sight of President George W. Bush or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government".[31]

Loughner believed in numerous conspiracy theories and espoused views such as: the United States Government was responsible for the September 11 attacks;[31] a New World Order would bring about a one world currency; there would be a 2012 apocalypse; NASA had faked spaceflights; and the government was using mind control to brainwash people by controlling grammar. He was a member of the online conspiracy theory message board Above Top Secret though members of the site did not respond warmly to his posts.[28][32][33][34] Reports appearing after the shooting noted similarities between the statements made by Loughner concerning grammar and mind control and the views of conspiracy theorist David Wynn Miller.[35] Miller stated, "He's just repeating things I've had up on my site the past 11 years."[36][37] According to Zach Osler, the online conspiracy theory film Zeitgeist: The Movie affected Loughner's view of the world.[10][38][39][40]
 
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