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Originally posted by: MadRat
Its called entrapment in some states. The police had the ability to intervene prior to intoxication.

They've tossed drunk driving offenses in Nebraska because cops sat outside a bar waiting for patrons to drive off. The whole issue of entrapment in these cases seems to hold a parrallel to the public intoxication laws. Alas, most public intoxication laws are local nuisance ordnances, so we're not talking a statewise issue, only local issues.
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Can you please provide links to those cases because the only links I have found say the opposite.

I had this discussion with some lawyers in the past and they all agreed that unless the government or their agents (the police in this case) entice you into getting drunk and then driving it is not entrapment.

 
I don't have links. The two cases I've heard about were dropped by the prosecutors before even going to trial. By all rights both were extremely guilty.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MadRat
Its called entrapment in some states. The police had the ability to intervene prior to intoxication.

They've tossed drunk driving offenses in Nebraska because cops sat outside a bar waiting for patrons to drive off. The whole issue of entrapment in these cases seems to hold a parrallel to the public intoxication laws. Alas, most public intoxication laws are local nuisance ordnances, so we're not talking a statewise issue, only local issues.
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It was Texas State Police participating in this entrapment sting.
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But were they charged in district court or county?

 
Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MadRat
Its called entrapment in some states. The police had the ability to intervene prior to intoxication.

They've tossed drunk driving offenses in Nebraska because cops sat outside a bar waiting for patrons to drive off. The whole issue of entrapment in these cases seems to hold a parrallel to the public intoxication laws. Alas, most public intoxication laws are local nuisance ordnances, so we're not talking a statewise issue, only local issues.
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It was Texas State Police participating in this entrapment sting.
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But were they charged in district court or county?
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Good question. This story has been silenced by the MSM.

Anyone in this Texas area that can chime in???
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Anyone in this Texas area that can chime in???
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I posted the breaking line from the TV station when it was announced.
THere has been no further development at all.

I don't expect to see anything more until one of them makes it to a couth date,
and it may be settles before on a plea bargtain or tossed out.

Depends on how deep the pockets are of those individuals who are charged.
Spend a couple thousand dollars fighting a couple hundred dollar fine,
or clear their name and reputation at what cost ?

 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Anyone in this Texas area that can chime in???
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I posted the breaking line from the TV station when it was announced.
THere has been no further development at all.

I don't expect to see anything more until one of them makes it to a couth date,
and it may be settles before on a plea bargtain or tossed out.

Depends on how deep the pockets are of those individuals who are charged.
Spend a couple thousand dollars fighting a couple hundred dollar fine,
or clear their name and reputation at what cost ?
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So based on your nonchalant response you agree with the tyrannical government doing this?

Thanks for chiming in though.
 
3-22-2006 Texas still at it

"We feel that the only way we're going to get at the drunk driving problem and the problem of people hurting each other while drunk is by crackdowns like this," she said.

"There are a lot of dangerous and stupid things people do when they're intoxicated, other than get behind the wheel of a car," Beck said. "People walk out into traffic and get run over, people jump off of balconies trying to reach a swimming pool and miss."

She said the sting operations would continue throughout the state.
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Hollywood meets Hitler

Minority Report comes to life in the U.S. brought to you by your hero Republicans. Enjoy
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
3-22-2006 Texas still at it

"We feel that the only way we're going to get at the drunk driving problem and the problem of people hurting each other while drunk is by crackdowns like this," she said.

"There are a lot of dangerous and stupid things people do when they're intoxicated, other than get behind the wheel of a car," Beck said. "People walk out into traffic and get run over, people jump off of balconies trying to reach a swimming pool and miss."

She said the sting operations would continue throughout the state.
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Hollywood meets Hitler

Minority Report comes to life in the U.S.
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Was this the first post in the last 100 to not have the word Republican in it with some insult either before or after it?
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
3-22-2006 Texas still at it

"We feel that the only way we're going to get at the drunk driving problem and the problem of people hurting each other while drunk is by crackdowns like this," she said.

"There are a lot of dangerous and stupid things people do when they're intoxicated, other than get behind the wheel of a car," Beck said. "People walk out into traffic and get run over, people jump off of balconies trying to reach a swimming pool and miss."

She said the sting operations would continue throughout the state.
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Hollywood meets Hitler

Minority Report comes to life in the U.S. brought to you by your hero republicans. Enjoy
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Was this the first post in the last 100 to not have the word Republican in it with some insult either before or after it?
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Ooops sorry. It's just a given besides I was working with Media Graphics folks that are working on my Campaign posters.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fscking Texas:thumbsdown:
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Unreal. Pre-emptive drunk driving arrests is what this amounts to. I guess "fsckin idiotic ideas" is something that trickles down from the highest levels of our government.

BTW, there's no legal compulsion to take a field sobriety test. You're well within your rights to refuse it.
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ok.. i just KNEW that somehow, some way, someone here was going to tie this to Bush!! That's just amazing...
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And I just knew a Bush butt li9cker would draw this conclusion to that post and come whining about it.
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i wasnt whining. i was actually commending them on their incredible ability to exagerate! It's amazing! Excellent even!
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Well I didn't see the Dub's name mentioned. I took that post to mean the Religious Right who seems to be in charge of Texas Politics.
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You mean the dummies that supported and elected Bush?? 😀
 
Originally posted by: techs
"Public Intoxication"?
Is there a blood alcohol level that determines this?
Is it the same as the drunk driving level?
Basically you would have to literally shut down all bars if this policy is allowed to continue.
While a bar may be a "public place" by certain definitions, this is as wacky a police idea as I have ever heard of.
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As long as MADD supports it, then it must be good for the country.

I wonder how long before they issue points for public intoxications? When your card has too many, then you can't go in the bar anymore. Maybe we will need special "public intoxication" insurance too, if you get too many points and you have to buy it.

Isn't technology grand!! They want to know everything about a person any more right down to your shoe size.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Not surprising fresno and the central valley are like a little texas on meth in the middle of CA.
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I always thought that Bakersfield was a just a Western extension of Oklahoma.

I'll change yer flat tar, Merle

As I drove down old 65
I was cruising down that old grapevine
Well I must have been doing at least about ninety five
Right there on the side of the road all broke down
Well who do you think was a-standing around
But the greatest country singer alive

Chorus
Well I'll change your flat tire, Merle
Don't you get your sweet country picking fingers
All covered with oil
'Cause you're a beloved patriot I know, but Merle you got soul
And I'll fix your flat tire Merle

Well I hear you had an adventurous youth
Making love in a telephone booth
And I even hear you did a little stretch in jail
But now you got a big ranch house with a bar
And eight, nine, ten of them fancy cars
And every other week a cheque coming in the mail

[chorus]

Well I heard all them records you did
Making fun of us long-haired kids
And now you know we don't care what you think
'Cause Merle, if you're gonna call the world your home
You know you're gonna have to go out and get stoned
And it's better with a joint than a drink
I think

[chorus]




 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
And on the local front . . .

People are getting pissed off about this


Some of the arrests were in restaurants and bars in hotels where the guests were staying.

All of the local news stations are making comments about this, and the feds are on the loosing side of public opinion.

Dallas News
Fort Worth
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Uh oh...sounds like they're going to need something to distract the sheeple before they figure out what's going on.

 
Well I lived in Texas for a while and I like the fact that the police in El Paso use to regularly walk through the bars along the outskirts of Ft Bliss, to try to make sure everything was all-right. I thought it was kind of funny when several people would disappear into the bathroom or out the back door, and then you would see the Cops Come in. Seemed like a lot of people liked to drink in Texas. I guess it was the macho thing to do.

I dont know if a Bar is considered a public place or not. It is a place of business, and they may consider it a public place. Still you could argue that you usually quit drinking a couple hours before you go home. If it is illegal to be drunk in a bar then it is illegal for the bar owner or bar workers to sell alcohol to someone who is intoxicated. This could really open up the owners to lawsuits
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
how are private establishments considered "public"? I know where I live, they cant get you until you step outside... I've seen them wait until soemone tried to walk to a waiting cab, and nailed them there, but inside the bar?! no way... that's just plain evil.
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Yeah...I wasn't aware "public" intox can apply when you are inside a private establishment. I also think hitting drunks getting into cabs is pretty bad. Who cares if you get shitfaced if all you're doing is getting a ride home? It's not like you're stumbling around downtown drunk off your ass, or getting behind the wheel of a car. Seems to me that Irving needs either some real work for the cops to do...or fewer cops.
 
Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
And on the local front . . .

People are getting pissed off about this

Some of the arrests were in restaurants and bars in hotels where the guests were staying.

All of the local news stations are making comments about this, and the feds are on the loosing side of public opinion.

Dallas News
Fort Worth
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Uh oh...sounds like they're going to need something to distract the sheeple before they figure out what's going on.
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Yep, they are going to "hurt" themselves while walking to their Hotel room.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
And on the local front . . .

People are getting pissed off about this


Some of the arrests were in restaurants and bars in hotels where the guests were staying.

All of the local news stations are making comments about this, and the feds are on the loosing side of public opinion.

Dallas News
Fort Worth
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"It's no defense if you're staying at a hotel where you were publicly intoxicated at a bar," Sorrels said.

that is such complete crap! What were they preventing, a horrible elevator-related accident!? "OMG that drunk guy just pushed the button for every floor, arrest him!"

I hope they realize just how big a waste of money every single one of these arrests has been... If I lived in N. Texas, I'd be an angry citizen, and I'd be screaming loudly at them for wasting my state tax dollars on the bullsh*t... heck, im angry and I'm 1000 miles away!

take away MY right to get drunk and have fun? bah, never!

viva-le-drunk-resistance!!!

😉

 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
And on the local front . . .

People are getting pissed off about this

Some of the arrests were in restaurants and bars in hotels where the guests were staying.

All of the local news stations are making comments about this, and the feds are on the loosing side of public opinion.

Dallas News
Fort Worth
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"It's no defense if you're staying at a hotel where you were publicly intoxicated at a bar," Sorrels said.

that is such complete crap! What were they preventing, a horrible elevator-related accident!? "OMG that drunk guy just pushed the button for every floor, arrest him!"

I hope they realize just how big a waste of money every single one of these arrests has been... If I lived in N. Texas, I'd be an angry citizen, and I'd be screaming loudly at them for wasting my state tax dollars on the bullsh*t... heck, im angry and I'm 1000 miles away!

take away MY right to get drunk and have fun? bah, never!

viva-le-drunk-resistance!!!

😉
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It's really Anti-American.

Taking away the "Right of living"
 
Wow just wow is all I can say about this.

A. How can they argue a private business is "public" property? What is the owner of the property refuses to allow the cops onto his property without a warrant?
B. This is simple harassment by the state, I cant believe this is even allowed.

Please tell me somebody is filing a lawsuit over this. Arresting people from out of the state at a hotel bar is unbelievable.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
You Have the Right to Remain Sober . .

Anything you drink inside a tavern will be held against you in a court of law.

Even if you're just sitting there drinking with your friends, and uninvited guests.

Undercover police enter bars, mix with the crowd, and decide who they should arrest.
'Public Intoxication' can be anything that they want it to be.

When will the Thought Police get near you.
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Mods this thread deserves a P&N sticky
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Mods said "No way Jose" on the sticky.

No alcohol for you.

You drink, you go to jail.
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Big difference between having a drink and getting publicly intoxed and/or DUI

Better for you to pick your outrageous twisting of facts on something that most people have not real knowledge of.
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Oh BS. People go to the bar to get a buzz on and they are also responsible enough to have a designated driver. WTF is wrong with that? Just go start a non-smoking/non drinking bar and see how long it lasts.

This is nothing but abuse of power. Nice job of showing why I don't trust the goverment to spy on me though.
 
Well, some 2,200+ arrests later over a 8 month span the public reaction to Channel 5's story is crossing the nation and people are taking notice.

Story Line

Companies from all over are calling to cancel their conventions in the Dallas area, a loss of millions in revenue to the area.
Citizens are outraged by what they see as a predatory practice by the police and the ATF to harrass people in public.

Locally, the word is, "Take it up with the Texas Governors Office, that's who these enforcers works for and report to."

So for a good time call: Contact Rick Perry, Governor of Texas
 
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