IRS Scandal explodes. "no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution."

[Victorian Gray]

I made up the Republican Party and American Hispanics? And BTW, you are the ultimate troll. Not only are you trolling a politics forum, you are trolling a politics forum from a different country. 99.9% of the crap on here doesn't even effect you.

Why is my question so very hard for you to answer? If you don't have an answer simply say, "I don't know" and if you do have an answer why not post it?

But nope, it always comes down to the insults with you. Sad...

btw, once again, where are the rules that state this is a forum simply for Americans to talk about American issues? It's an open, international forum with participants from all over the world. If you have issues with that perhaps you should take them up with the owner of the forums.

 

[ivwshane]

That's what I thought.

That's what I thought too! That's why I posted it!

Dodge and repeat!

 

[ivwshane]

Why is my question so very hard for you to answer? If you don't have an answer simply say, "I don't know" and if you do have an answer why not post it?

But nope, it always comes down to the insults with you. Sad...

btw, once again, where are the rules that state this is a forum simply for Americans to talk about American issues? It's an open, international forum with participants from all over the world. If you have issues with that perhaps you should take them up with the owner of the forums.

He's obviously intimidated by a foreigner understanding US politics better than him. Either that or he is incapable of forming his own opinion and is awaiting an answer from his handlers to then give to you.

 

[Bowfinger]

But to the rabid far left, this is how government SHOULD work, disadvantaging the right so that the left may triumph.

Werepossum 101: Don't let the lack of an honest argument slow you down. Just stuff another straw man and pretend you aren't useless.

Also, the non-conservative groups were added after the GOP's Congresscritters began writing letters of inquiry. The left likes to ignore this of claim coincidence, but rational minds see ass-covering for what it is.

Werepossum 101: Don't let reality slow you down. When the facts are against you, ignore them. Lying is encouraged when it serves the party.


The fact is that the "Tea Party" BOLO was a recent addition to the IRS screening. It was actually the earlier BOLOs that had "non-conservative" terms. Indeed, that was the RNC's first spin when "progressive" was discovered: "Well, yeah, but those old BOLOs aren't used any more." This was later disproven when the Inspector General contradicted that claim. Presumably the RNC then regrouped and catapulted a new talking point to their flock of Werepossums.

It also bears repeating that a full two-thirds of the 298 applications pulled for additional scrutiny were NOT picked using the Tea Party BOLO. The nutters keep ignoring this because it greatly undermines their narrative.

A rational moment? Surely you jest. The poster who compared Issa to Hitler merely regurgitated standard proggie dogma for any political scandal - blame the law and blame Republicans for starving the government of money. That totally ignores the facts that the IRS itself admitted wrongdoing AND that part of this scandal was government employees passing conservatives' protected information to proggie groups to further leftwing interests. That's not only not rational, but a simple script could do the same without even needing the semblance of AI.

Werepossum 101: Don't let poor reading comprehension and a short attention span slow you down. If you think a long post maybe challenges the party narrative (but it's just too many words to be sure), storm in with guns blazing. Beat your chest, toss out a few unrelated talking points, and put that ebil proggie in his place. Whatever you do, do NOT attempt to address the points he actually raised. Leave that for the pros back at HQ.

 

[werepossum]

Werepossum 101: Don't let the lack of an honest argument slow you down. Just stuff another straw man and pretend you aren't useless.



Werepossum 101: Don't let reality slow you down. When the facts are against you, ignore them. Lying is encouraged when it serves the party.


The fact is that the "Tea Party" BOLO was a recent addition to the IRS screening. It was actually the earlier BOLOs that had "non-conservative" terms. Indeed, that was the RNC's first spin when "progressive" was discovered: "Well, yeah, but those old BOLOs aren't used any more." This was later disproven when the Inspector General contradicted that claim. Presumably the RNC then regrouped and catapulted a new talking point to their flock of Werepossums.

It also bears repeating that a full two-thirds of the 298 applications pulled for additional scrutiny were NOT picked using the Tea Party BOLO. The nutters keep ignoring this because it greatly undermines their narrative.


Werepossum 101: Don't let poor reading comprehension and a short attention span slow you down. If you think a long post maybe challenges the party narrative (but it's just too many words to be sure), storm in with guns blazing. Beat your chest, toss out a few unrelated talking points, and put that ebil proggie in his place. Whatever you do, do NOT attempt to address the points he actually raised. Leave that for the pros back at HQ.

Dude, you aren't even qualified for Remedial Werepossum 001.

 

[Bowfinger]

Dude, you aren't even qualified for Remedial Werepossum 001.

"Whatever you do, do NOT attempt to address the points he actually raised. Leave that for the pros back at HQ"

Go play, Stewie. You're a useless sheep.

 

[werepossum]

"Whatever you do, do NOT attempt to address the points he actually raised. Leave that for the pros back at HQ"

Go play, Stewie. You're a useless sheep.

As I pointed out, he raised no valid points, only the same tired old tripe proggies always raise when caught breaking the law.
(1) The law is confusing/outdated/contradictory.
This hardly fits when it works for proggie groups but causes conservative groups to get shunted into endless delays while their donors' confidential information is given to political attack groups.

(2) Government doesn't have enough money.
It obviously takes more time and money to single out right wing groups for special attention than to treat all groups the same as the left wing groups.

There, see? I pretended for a moment that you were a real person rather than a mindless rabid attack dog for the left. Feel better?

 

[Matt1970]

Why is my question so very hard for you to answer? If you don't have an answer simply say, "I don't know" and if you do have an answer why not post it?

But nope, it always comes down to the insults with you. Sad...

btw, once again, where are the rules that state this is a forum simply for Americans to talk about American issues? It's an open, international forum with participants from all over the world. If you have issues with that perhaps you should take them up with the owner of the forums.

There is no rule that it is America only, but why are you so interested in our politics?

 

[Matt1970]

That's what I thought too! That's why I posted it!

Dodge and repeat!

I addressed your post already. I asked if it was a 10 to 1 ratio and your response was Was it 1 to 1. Your post is bullshit so why address it. Your post about me making stuff up is also bullshit. Your a liar, plain and simple.

 

[ivwshane]

I addressed your post already. I asked if it was a 10 to 1 ratio and your response was Was it 1 to 1. Your post is bullshit so why address it. Your post about me making stuff up is also bullshit. Your a liar, plain and simple.

You addressed it by asking a question? Ok big guy.
The ratio doesn't matter you dumb ass. You can't even answer a hypothetical question then your point is pretty weak.

 

[Matt1970]

The ratio doesn't matter you dumb ass. You can't even answer a hypothetical question then your point is pretty weak.

Shut up liar.

 

[ivwshane]

Shut up liar.

Lol! You are pathetic!

 

[Victorian Gray]

There is no rule that it is America only, but why are you so interested in our politics?

I'm interested in the world beyond my yard and have an inquiring mind.

Why will you not answer the question?

 

[Matt1970]

I'm interested in the world beyond my yard and have an inquiring mind.

Why will you not answer the question?

I already answered the question.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I already answered the question.

No, you have not.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think what we're seeing is an attempt to use anonymous 501(c)4 money in lieu of actual campaign contributions, which are not anonymous.

What are supposedly "independent" efforts can be coordinated by a candidate in hidden ways, as Wisconsin's John Doe 2 investigation shows. It's not really about taxes, but about anonymity of donors & obfuscation of political spending.

In that, the IRS quite cognizant of the intent, particularly with years of experience trying to deal with right wing funding constructs like this-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7cfd9a-719b-11e3-9389-09ef9944065e_story.html

That's before the money even goes out to the 1000+ Tea Party & Patriot groups.

The only thing that the IRS can do is try to make sure they cross all the t's & dot all the i's as the whole scam goes on.

Groups will, of course, be provided with everything they need to toe the line for more funding down the road. Freedom Works, Americans for prosperity & so forth provide all the talking points.

But it's Grass Roots! Honest! The money just fell out of the sky! Nobody knows where it came from!

 

[Bowfinger]

As I pointed out, he raised no valid points, only the same tired old tripe proggies always raise when caught breaking the law.

Fascinating. You're really going to try that dodge? Not a single valid point? So, in the nutter bubble, for example:

1. No PACs or SuperPACs have tried to undermine FEC regulations?

2. Tax returns are NOT examined by IRS computers? Audits are not triggered by exceeding certain thresholds?

3. It is not rational for the IRS and businesses generally to focus their resources on activities producing revenues that exceed costs?

4. IRS budgets were not cut even once in the last dozen years?
​

While I could mock you about the potent hallucinogens the RNC is putting in your Kool Aid, I'm pretty sure you don't actually believe the stupid claim you made. That means you're either being shamelessly dishonest -- yet again -- or I called it the first time:

"Werepossum 101: Don't let poor reading comprehension and a short attention span slow you down. If you think a long post maybe challenges the party narrative (but it's just too many words to be sure), storm in with guns blazing. Beat your chest, toss out a few unrelated talking points, and put that ebil proggie in his place. Whatever you do, do NOT attempt to address the points he actually raised. Leave that for the pros back at HQ. "
​

You had no official talking points handy to address the points he raised, and you lack the critical thinking skills to discuss them intelligently on your own, so you just started blowing random attacks out your ass. In fairness, that's sort of a subset of shameless dishonesty, so I suppose I posed a false dichotomy.


I'll point out you also ignored the points I raised, even though you replied to my post:

5. Your claim about adding "non-conservative groups" only after the Congressional inquiry started is not only false, but is unsurprisingly the opposite of what actually occurred.

6. Two-thirds of the TIGTA 501(c)(4) applications selected for greater scrutiny were NOT picked using the Tea Party BOLO.
​

TL;DR -- Just the usual evasion and disinformation from Werepossum. He remains useless.

(1) The law is confusing/outdated/contradictory.
This hardly fits when it works for proggie groups but causes conservative groups to get shunted into endless delays while their donors' confidential information is given to political attack groups.

I believe most agree that if the IRS divulged confidential information, it was wrong and should be pursued. That has zero to do with the clarity of the law, nor with the targeting tactics used to identify both right- and left-wing groups engaged in political activities that seemed likely to violate the law.

(2) Government doesn't have enough money.
It obviously takes more time and money to single out right wing groups for special attention than to treat all groups the same as the left wing groups.

First, no matter how many times you lie that right-wing groups were singled out, it remains a purely partisan lie. Good boy.

Second, the IRS receives thousands of 501(c)(4) applications each year. it would be far, far more expensive to do in-depth reviews on all of them instead of focusing only on the fraction posing significant risk of illegal levels of political activity. Only a fool or a tool would suggest otherwise. What you really want, of course, is no scrutiny at all so your wing-nut groups can ignore the law entirely. Your support for unbridled corruption is both transparent and repugnant.

There, see? I pretended for a moment that you were a real person rather than a mindless rabid attack dog for the left. Feel better?

Yawn. Go play, Stewie.

 

[Matt1970]

First, no matter how many times you lie that right-wing groups were singled out, it remains a purely partisan lie. Good boy.

Oh, so Lois Lerner ought to be able to get her job back now that it has been determined that right wing groups weren't singled out.

 

[Bowfinger]

Oh, so Lois Lerner ought to be able to get her job back now that it has been determined that right wing groups weren't singled out.

Troll elsewhere. The issue is more complex than your simple-minded, black and white caricature.

 

[Matt1970]

Troll elsewhere. The issue is more complex than your simple-minded, black and white caricature.

It's actually a pretty valid point but you being the hack that you are will never see it. Hack away brother, hack away.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, so Lois Lerner ought to be able to get her job back now that it has been determined that right wing groups weren't singled out.

It's actually a pretty valid point but you being the hack that you are will never see it. Hack away brother, hack away.

It's meaningless duh-version, a necessary component of denial.

 

[werepossum]

Fascinating. You're really going to try that dodge? Not a single valid point? So, in the nutter bubble, for example:

1. No PACs or SuperPACs have tried to undermine FEC regulations?

2. Tax returns are NOT examined by IRS computers? Audits are not triggered by exceeding certain thresholds?

3. It is not rational for the IRS and businesses generally to focus their resources on activities producing revenues that exceed costs?

4. IRS budgets were not cut even once in the last dozen years?
​

While I could mock you about the potent hallucinogens the RNC is putting in your Kool Aid, I'm pretty sure you don't actually believe the stupid claim you made. That means you're either being shamelessly dishonest -- yet again -- or I called it the first time:

"Werepossum 101: Don't let poor reading comprehension and a short attention span slow you down. If you think a long post maybe challenges the party narrative (but it's just too many words to be sure), storm in with guns blazing. Beat your chest, toss out a few unrelated talking points, and put that ebil proggie in his place. Whatever you do, do NOT attempt to address the points he actually raised. Leave that for the pros back at HQ. "
​

You had no official talking points handy to address the points he raised, and you lack the critical thinking skills to discuss them intelligently on your own, so you just started blowing random attacks out your ass. In fairness, that's sort of a subset of shameless dishonesty, so I suppose I posed a false dichotomy.


I'll point out you also ignored the points I raised, even though you replied to my post:

5. Your claim about adding "non-conservative groups" only after the Congressional inquiry started is not only false, but is unsurprisingly the opposite of what actually occurred.

6. Two-thirds of the TIGTA 501(c)(4) applications selected for greater scrutiny were NOT picked using the Tea Party BOLO.
​

TL;DR -- Just the usual evasion and disinformation from Werepossum. He remains useless.

I believe most agree that if the IRS divulged confidential information, it was wrong and should be pursued. That has zero to do with the clarity of the law, nor with the targeting tactics used to identify both right- and left-wing groups engaged in political activities that seemed likely to violate the law.


First, no matter how many times you lie that right-wing groups were singled out, it remains a purely partisan lie. Good boy.

Second, the IRS receives thousands of 501(c)(4) applications each year. it would be far, far more expensive to do in-depth reviews on all of them instead of focusing only on the fraction posing significant risk of illegal levels of political activity. Only a fool or a tool would suggest otherwise. What you really want, of course, is no scrutiny at all so your wing-nut groups can ignore the law entirely. Your support for unbridled corruption is both transparent and repugnant.

Yawn. Go play, Stewie.

Same tired old tripe. although I will give you points for having the brass to simultaneously argue within the same thread that only a third of the groups were conservative AND that the administration never said that only a third of the groups were conservative. You aren't just a tool, you're a super tool, the Swiss Army Knife of foamy leftist rage.

 

[Bowfinger]

Same tired old tripe.

So you're going to puss out again with yet another useless, non-responsive waste of electrons. Go with your strengths.

although I will give you points for having the brass to simultaneously argue within the same thread that only a third of the groups were conservative AND that the administration never said that only a third of the groups were conservative.

You're lying again. I NEVER said only one-third of the groups were conservative. Never. That's another signature Wereweasel whopper, pulled straight past your head and out of your rectum.

Or wait. Are you, perhaps, clinically retarded? If so, maybe you can't help it. We should stop mocking you.

I'm going to explain this to you one more time, as simply as I can, so stop yapping for a moment and pay attention. Get someone to help you, if you can. The Treasury Inspector General (TIGTA) examined 298 501(c)(4) applications the IRS selected for extra scrutiny. Those applications fall into one of four categories:

1. Presumed right-wing political group
2. Presumed left-wing political group
3. Presumed not a political group
4. Unknown
​

Of those 298, TIGTA determined 96 were #1, presumed right-wing, because they were selected from the "Tea Party" BOLO. This means the groups' names all contained Tea Party, 9/12, or Patriots. It was later determined that 7 more were #2, presumed left-wing, because their names included "Progressive".

OK, hold on, because here's where it gets tricky:

The remaining 195, about two-thirds, were #4, Unknown!
​

Unknown. They were not found to be right-wing. They were not found to be left-wing. They were not found to be non-political. They were not found to be anything at all because TIGTA declined to offer any political assessment at all. None. Nothing. Nada.

Some are undoubtedly right-wing groups without a "Tea Party" name. Some are undoubtedly left-wing groups without a "Progressive" name. Some are undoubtedly non-political groups. We do not have any specific information about the political mix of those 195 groups.

This has been explained to you many times. Did you get it this time, or are you going to continue to brazenly lie about it?

You aren't just a tool, you're a super tool, the Swiss Army Knife of foamy leftist rage.

... he squawks in impotent rage, butt-hurt because yet another of his "proggie" conspiracies has been debunked. Go play, Stewie.

 

[werepossum]

So you're going to puss out again with yet another useless, non-responsive waste of electrons. Go with your strengths.

You're lying again. I NEVER said only one-third of the groups were conservative. Never. That's another signature Wereweasel whopper, pulled straight past your head and out of your rectum.

Or wait. Are you, perhaps, clinically retarded? If so, maybe you can't help it. We should stop mocking you.

I'm going to explain this to you one more time, as simply as I can, so stop yapping for a moment and pay attention. Get someone to help you, if you can. The Treasury Inspector General (TIGTA) examined 298 501(c)(4) applications the IRS selected for extra scrutiny. Those applications fall into one of four categories:

1. Presumed right-wing political group
2. Presumed left-wing political group
3. Presumed not a political group
4. Unknown
​

Of those 298, TIGTA determined 96 were #1, presumed right-wing, because they were selected from the "Tea Party" BOLO. This means the groups' names all contained Tea Party, 9/12, or Patriots. It was later determined that 7 more were #2, presumed left-wing, because their names included "Progressive".

OK, hold on, because here's where it gets tricky:

The remaining 195, about two-thirds, were #4, Unknown!
​

Unknown. They were not found to be right-wing. They were not found to be left-wing. They were not found to be non-political. They were not found to be anything at all because TIGTA declined to offer any political assessment at all. None. Nothing. Nada.

Some are undoubtedly right-wing groups without a "Tea Party" name. Some are undoubtedly left-wing groups without a "Progressive" name. Some are undoubtedly non-political groups. We do not have any specific information about the political mix of those 195 groups.

This has been explained to you many times. Did you get it this time, or are you going to continue to brazenly lie about it?

... he squawks in impotent rage, butt-hurt because yet another of his "proggie" conspiracies has been debunked. Go play, Stewie.

You said "Two-thirds of the TIGTA 501(c)(4) applications selected for greater scrutiny were NOT picked using the Tea Party BOLO."

Unless one assumes that your intent is to say that ONLY 1/3 of the groups singled out to be shunted into limbo are conservative, then you have no point. (Other than the one atop your head, which admittedly is a doozy.) You are merely trumpeting your ignorance as if it is a valid defense of the IRS. "Yes, they improperly targeted conservatives, but that's okay because they won't tell us to what degree! Embrace ignorance!"

No rage here, dude, just poking the foaming clown from beyond spittle range. The IRS is the true problem here; you're just the comic relief.

 

[Bowfinger]

You said "Two-thirds of the TIGTA 501(c)(4) applications selected for greater scrutiny were NOT picked using the Tea Party BOLO."

Unless one assumes that your intent is to say that ONLY 1/3 of the groups singled out to be shunted into limbo are conservative, then you have no point.

To be more precise, it was the TIGTA report that stated two-thirds of the selected applications were not picked using the Tea Party BOLO. My intent was to present this fact since it refutes one of the RNC talking points you guys parrot endlessly. Your caricature of my intent is transparent, self-serving spin, just more of your impotent squawking.

(Other than the one atop your head, which admittedly is a doozy.) You are merely trumpeting your ignorance as if it is a valid defense of the IRS. "Yes, they improperly targeted conservatives, but that's okay because they won't tell us to what degree! Embrace ignorance!"

Hmm. Dishonest, stupid, or both? It's so hard to be sure. Again, if you are clinically retarded (i.e., IQ below 70) we should stop mocking you for your half-witted comments. Please let us know.

No rage here, dude, just poking the foaming clown from beyond spittle range. The IRS is the true problem here; you're just the comic relief.

... he squawks in impotent rage, butt-hurt because yet another of his "proggie" conspiracies has been debunked. How telling that you consistently fail to cite any facts to support your prattle. Just lots of imbecilic insults and empty ranting.