IRS Scandal explodes. "no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution."

[boomerang]

You are right Obama said [some boneheaded decisions]

Same thing only different

Not a smidgen of corruption either. That statement, while the investigation was obviously not even remotely concluded. He tried to dictate the outcome of the investigation. When it doesn't go his way, he very publicly berates his political enemies and then further lambastes them because they are not willing to work with him. His Presidency is akin to having a teenager in office and we can't be rid of him soon enough. The grand experiment has proven to be a failure. He got even less competent in his second term.

 

[D-Man]

I would have liked Pres Obama to say to the IRS that he would put the full weight of the justice department to find and prosecute any person who acted beyond the scope of fairness and to tell those who did not come clean if they broke or stretched the rules that he would seek the harshest punishment for hiding the truth. Then he would need to follow up on his threat. Obama's need to assure us that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties. The IRS employees that were involved in this have hurt him in the eyes of many people and that is to bad for the US

 

[ivwshane]

I would have liked Pres Obama to say to the IRS that he would put the full weight of the justice department to find and prosecute any person who acted beyond the scope of fairness and to tell those who did not come clean if they broke or stretched the rules that he would seek the harshest punishment for hiding the truth. Then he would need to follow up on his threat. Obama's need to assure us that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties. The IRS employees that were involved in this have hurt him in the eyes of many people and that is to bad for the US

You mean like he did when the scandal broke?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/justice-dept-to-investigate-irs-targeting/

Or you mean when he fired the IRS chief?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ama-fires-top-irs-official-in-wake-of-scandal
Do you think you are bubble free?

 

[D-Man]

You mean like he did when the scandal broke?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/justice-dept-to-investigate-irs-targeting/

Or you mean when he fired the IRS chief?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ama-fires-top-irs-official-in-wake-of-scandal
Do you think you are bubble free?

No when we still do not have the truth and are not to the bottom of this

 

[boomerang]

I would have liked Pres Obama to say to the IRS that he would put the full weight of the justice department to find and prosecute any person who acted beyond the scope of fairness and to tell those who did not come clean if they broke or stretched the rules that he would seek the harshest punishment for hiding the truth. Then he would need to follow up on his threat. Obama's need to assure us that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties. The IRS employees that were involved in this have hurt him in the eyes of many people and that is to bad for the US

So therefore the question becomes, why has he chosen not to do those things? The answer is not a secret. This debacle has proceeded as it has because the most powerful person in our government wants it this way. Make no mistake about that. And it occurred because the most powerful person in our government sets the tone of the behavior of those below him. They were emboldened by his actions and his words. He's either in charge or he isn't and I don't recall him ever saying he wasn't.

We can't be rid of him soon enough.

 

[Attic]

You can change the players, you can't change the game.

 

[ivwshane]

No when we still do not have the truth and are not to the bottom of this

Lol! According to who? Issa?

You made a statement about what the president should, I showed you that, that is in fact what he did. Now you moved the goal posts.

Just stick to your bubble, I've heard ignorance is bliss.

 

[ivwshane]

So therefore the question becomes, why has he chosen not to do those things? The answer is not a secret. This debacle has proceeded as it has because the most powerful person in our government wants it this way. Make no mistake about that. And it occurred because the most powerful person in our government sets the tone of the behavior of those below him. They were emboldened by his actions and his words. He's either in charge or he isn't and I don't recall him ever saying he wasn't.

We can't be rid of him soon enough.

Lol! You get another "I'm stupid" sticker! Congrats!

 

[D-Man]

Lol! According to who? Issa?

You made a statement about what the president should, I showed you that, that is in fact what he did. Now you moved the goal posts.

Just stick to your bubble, I've heard ignorance is bliss.

He may as well have fired the janitor and called it quits And in your mind the goal post were moved and only in your mind.

As long as we are into insults I have heard you are the guy blowing bubbles .

 

[JEDIYoda]

I would have liked Pres Obama to say to the IRS that he would put the full weight of the justice department to find and prosecute any person who acted beyond the scope of fairness and to tell those who did not come clean if they broke or stretched the rules that he would seek the harshest punishment for hiding the truth. Then he would need to follow up on his threat. Obama's need to assure us that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties. The IRS employees that were involved in this have hurt him in the eyes of many people and that is to bad for the US

No it would appear that Obama's need to assure YOU that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties.

 

[D-Man]

No it would appear that Obama's need to assure YOU that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties.[/QUOTE

One only needs to look at his declining popularity to see he is loosing respect. Real Actions speak louder than speeches. He starts out with outrage and ends up saying phony scandals. He fires someone why if this is phony.

 

[ivwshane]

No it would appear that Obama's need to assure YOU that the IRS does what is right and fair to all parties.[/QUOTE

One only needs to look at his declining popularity to see he is loosing respect. Real Actions speak louder than speeches. He starts out with outrage and ends up saying phony scandals. He fires someone why if this is phony.

Lol, can you find anyone in our government whose popularity isn't declining?

What his popularity has to do with your original comment I have no idea but I'm sure you have it justified in your little bubble.

 

[cabri]

Interesting how another target of the investigation lost a computer via a "crash" irs official responsible for spinning congress on targeting.

9 computer crashes in DC/Cincinnati related to the targeting issue. How many crashes overall across the IRS system within that time frame that were unable to be recovered?

“Regardless whether language has previously been approved, NO responses related to c4 stuff go out without an affirmative message, in writing from Nikole,” Lerner wrote.

Flax made 31 visits to the White House between July 12, 2010 and May 8, 2013, according to White House visitor logs. Flax’s visits started in the early days of the IRS targeting program and ended just two days before the IRS scandal broke on May 10, 2013.

Hold your nose:whiste:

 

[werepossum]

Interesting how another target of the investigation lost a computer via a "crash" irs official responsible for spinning congress on targeting.

9 computer crashes in DC/Cincinnati related to the targeting issue. How many crashes overall across the IRS system within that time frame that were unable to be recovered?

Hold your nose:whiste:

How many? As many as they need, of course.

 

[thraashman]

Interesting how another target of the investigation lost a computer via a "crash" irs official responsible for spinning congress on targeting.

9 computer crashes in DC/Cincinnati related to the targeting issue. How many crashes overall across the IRS system within that time frame that were unable to be recovered?



Hold your nose:whiste:

How many people do you know from the IRS? My father actually worked there for over 30 years before retiring. And even though he's a staunch Republican, when I asked him about the crashes he said he fully believes they happened as issued laptops were heavily used and people had them for long times. When he was there the average life of a laptop was under 3 years before a crash.

He did complain he thought it was ridiculous incompetence that the exchange server didn't have more than 6 months of backups though.

 

[First]

 

[werepossum]

 

[xBiffx]

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/darrell-issa-lois-lerner-irs-email-smoking-gun-108754.html

I wouldn't call this a "smoking gun" but it does at validity to the idea that things weren't all squeaky clean at the IRS. Perhaps a smidgen?

No ethical reason to ask the questions she did or to send out a caution like she did. Operations day to day at the IRS should be conducted so there would be no need to ask about message retention or no need to caution employees on outside eyes (especially Congress) seeing their emails.

 

[Bowfinger]

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/darrell-issa-lois-lerner-irs-email-smoking-gun-108754.html

I wouldn't call this a "smoking gun" but it does at validity to the idea that things weren't all squeaky clean at the IRS. Perhaps a smidgen?

No ethical reason to ask the questions she did or to send out a caution like she did. Operations day to day at the IRS should be conducted so there would be no need to ask about message retention or no need to caution employees on outside eyes (especially Congress) seeing their emails.

It's hard to judge without seeing Lerner's actual email. I've given my own staff such reminders, and I've seen official corporate/legal reminders. The problem is people tend to treat email too casually, as if it is conversation, instead of treating it as official work correspondence that can be discovered. It's not a big deal when someone grouches to his buddy at lunch that "Joe Smith is a total lying asshole, I'd love to bury him." That's not so good when it's in black and white and an official record labeled Exhibit A. People need to be reminded to keep email professional.

But of course that same good advice applies when you are doing something wrong. At the time of this email, things were already hitting the fan and the targeting decisions were history. I'd like to see the actual email to see if there are clues as to Lerner's specific concern. Issa has been pathologically dishonest in his claims about evidence and testimony, so I am unwilling to take his word for what Lerner did or did not say. If you run across a link to the actual email, please post it. I won't have time this morning to dig.

 

[xBiffx]

It's hard to judge without seeing Lerner's actual email. I've given my own staff such reminders, and I've seen official corporate/legal reminders. The problem is people tend to treat email too casually, as if it is conversation, instead of treating it as official work correspondence that can be discovered. It's not a big deal when someone grouches to his buddy at lunch that "Joe Smith is a total lying asshole, I'd love to bury him." That's not so good when it's in black and white and an official record labeled Exhibit A. People need to be reminded to keep email professional.

But of course that same good advice applies when you are doing something wrong. At the time of this email, things were already hitting the fan and the targeting decisions were history. I'd like to see the actual email to see if there are clues as to Lerner's specific concern. Issa has been pathologically dishonest in his claims about evidence and testimony, so I am unwilling to take his word for what Lerner did or did not say. If you run across a link to the actual email, please post it. I won't have time this morning to dig.

You could learn to do your own homework. The email is available all over the place.

OCS = Office Communicator

 

[Bowfinger]

You could learn to do your own homework. The email is available all over the place.

[...clip...]

OCS = Office Communicator

Yay, asshat Biff is back. I am one of the few people here who consistently does my homework. Most people can't even be bothered to read whole posts or linked stories, let alone actually doing their own research. As I clearly stated, however, "I won't have time this morning to dig." Some of us work for a living.

But thanks for posting them. If that's truly all there is, then as you note, Issa has no smoking gun. That's not even a roll of caps. It's not really much of anything at all, just a note that Lerner discussed email with some of her staff, and had a question about IM logging. If that's the worst thing Issa could find in however many thousand emails they reviewed, he's truly desperate.

 

[TerryMathews]

Yay, asshat Biff is back. I am one of the few people here who consistently does my homework. Most people can't even be bothered to read whole posts or linked stories, let alone actually doing their own research. As I clearly stated, however, "I won't have time this morning to dig." Some of us work for a living.

But thanks for posting them. If that's truly all there is, then as you note, Issa has no smoking gun. That's not even a roll of caps. It's not really much of anything at all, just a note that Lerner discussed email with some of her staff, and had a question about IM logging. If that's the worst thing Issa could find in however many thousand emails they reviewed, he's truly desperate.

See, I read her email differently. She is clearly (to me) asking to make sure those documents aren't searchable.

It doesn't read as someone who wants to ensure their communications are preserved.

 

[xBiffx]

Yay, asshat Biff is back. I am one of the few people here who consistently does my homework. Most people can't even be bothered to read whole posts or linked stories, let alone actually doing their own research. As I clearly stated, however, "I won't have time this morning to dig." Some of us work for a living.

But thanks for posting them. If that's truly all there is, then as you note, Issa has no smoking gun. That's not even a roll of caps. It's not really much of anything at all, just a note that Lerner discussed email with some of her staff, and had a question about IM logging. If that's the worst thing Issa could find in however many thousand emails they reviewed, he's truly desperate.

You're the asshat here. Claiming innocence and constantly deflecting when it comes to the IRS. And this time you say you haven't been able to read the real email but yet claim innocence, as if that makes a difference considering that the pertinent parts were quoted in the linked story. So I, in turn, provide the actual email (which took 20 seconds to find) and you call me an asshat. Fuck you very much.

That email is an enormous revelation on how things were operating at the IRS. I am not surprised you see nothing there. Point of fact, nothing that goes on in email or Office Communicator at the IRS should need to be hidden or questioned on whether Congress can see it. Nothing. Here response is also suspect because she was given an answer that chat messages weren't automatically logged. Clearly, things weren't on the up and up at the IRS. I don't expect you to see that, however. You've clearly shown that there isn't much of a view when your head is up your ass.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

See, I read her email differently. She is clearly (to me) asking to make sure those documents aren't searchable.

It doesn't read as someone who wants to ensure their communications are preserved.

I wonder how people here would have reacted if Cheney wrote a similar memo a week or two after the Plame story broke.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! The email says nothing about making emails not searchable. In fact this conversation, as bowfinger noted, is a reminder that emails are searchable and a confirmation that so are OCS messages, which was a question brought up to Lerner by one of her employees.

Man! If only this investigation was powered by wishes and beliefs!

Don't worry guys! Issa will find another piece of bait to hook you with!