IRS Scandal explodes. "no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution."

[First]

^ Yeah, I wonder how often non-lawyers run these sorts of investigations. Issa's a rich farking former businessman, making his fortune in car alarms....but knows jack shit about the law or how they're administratively implemented by agencies. How he can be so intimately involved in these investigations is just crazy.

But like I said, this is the most do-nothing House in recorded history with the lowest approval in recorded history. Nothing these turd-blossoms do surprises me.

 

[xBiffx]

http://thehill.com/video/house/2995...ama-say-he-can-fairly-investigate-irs-scandal

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52086676/t/issa-white-house-spokesman-paid-liar-regarding-irs/

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...44CIAQ&usg=AFQjCNGWqSLKnf7epdE5L8KK0es1s1_rxw

You will note that at every turn he tries to tie democrats, including the president as the reason for the IRS's action. He always finishes with how he is so concerned with making sure it doesn't happen again. Exactly what measures has he put forward to ensure impropriety at the IRS? The simple fix would be to force the IRS to follow the law that says 501(c)4's must be used "exclusively" for social welfare causes and not simply be their "primary" cause.

And yet he hasn't changed or called for a single change. We know what the issue is and we know how to fix it, there have been many proposals, just none by him.

So he's a buffoon. That's probably not news to anyone.

As far as why there hasn't been an measures to stop this from happening in the future. I would assume after the investigation is over, then where its warranted there will be criminal proceeding and sentencing, after which will be the legislating of new laws.

To expect them to start passing new laws to stop any future wrongdoing when we aren't even fully aware of what went on is pretty unrealistic. Give it time and we'll see how it ends up.

 

[michal1980]

So he's a buffoon. That's probably not news to anyone.

As far as why there hasn't been an measures to stop this from happening in the future. I would assume after the investigation is over, then where its warranted there will be criminal proceeding and sentencing, after which will be the legislating of new laws.

To expect them to start passing new laws to stop any future wrongdoing when we aren't even fully aware of what went on is pretty unrealistic. Give it time and we'll see how it ends up.

typical liberal move, label anyone that disagrees with you a buffoon.

The left always thinks they are the smartest people in the room, and by there very nature always look down at all others.

 

[Bowfinger]

Pot, meat kettle. I've been cordial enough

You were indeed. It was rather remarkable. But then you fell into old habits with insults about "retard" and "hack". I let it pass at first, but finally decided to let you reap what you sow.

and given you ample opportunity to stop doubling and tripling down on stupid.

There you go again.

Where have I claimed the IRS hasn't provided paper copies of emails? I have said that, according to testimony, nothing exists with regards to the two years in question. They were lost. But you want us to believe that the IRS and Congress hasn't had the time in almost a year to find out if there are paper copies (millions? really?) of the emails that were lost? Something that is at the heart of this investigation.

Given that the IRS turned over the electronic dump only recently (if at all, not clear), I'd say it's fairly likely none of the investigators have had time to compare the two. That is speculation, of course. All I know for sure is I'm not aware of anyone publicly stating they've done so.

And you claim others are using supposition and innuendo? Go full retard if you must. I'll stick with the facts and sworn testimonies at hand.

There you go yet again. If only you recognized that so many of your "facts" aren't facts at all. But you're welcome to your opinions.

 

[Bowfinger]

typical liberal move, label anyone that disagrees with you a buffoon.

The left always thinks they are the smartest people in the room, and by there very nature always look down at all others.

You half-witted clown, xBiffx is far from a liberal. Anyone who pays any attention here knows that. The real problem is twits like you who label as "liberal" anyone who disagrees with you.

By the way, it's not that liberals look down on everyone. It's that everyone looks down on YOU. Go play.

 

[Bowfinger]

Issa is the worst person in the world to run any form of oversight. He's seriously one of the biggest pieces of shit in Congress who has himself intentionally leaked sensitive information to the public (which his own committee would have investigated had anyone else in DC done it). He's the type of guy where I'm honestly amazed those who have to deal with him haven't punched him out cold yet.

Yep. Issa is very much the problem. Note that there are two other Congressional investigations: the Senate, and the House Ways and Means (which has the responsibility and the authority to oversee the IRS). Neither has turned into a spectacle unlike the Darrell Issa clown show and witch hunt. A lot of Republicans, including other (R) Congressmen, have criticized his antics.

 

[Jhhnn]

As I stated in the first post I made in this thread. This is about the IRS breaking the law by not keeping with the standards setup in the Federal Records Act and their own policy.

Talk about lack of funds, talk about defective practices, talk about them investigating groups you disagree with all you want. The fact remains, the IRS broke several laws:

1. Inappropriate targeting/data collection of certain groups. We have sworn testimony and apologies that this was the case.

2. Divulging confidential information for said groups. Again, sworn testimony, apologies, as well as: http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/i...pay-50000-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/

3. Not following or simply ignoring federal records laws. Sworn testimony and evidence and lack of evidence as far as exonerating those in question.

I like how you can't even formulate a simple question without adding in partisan buffoonery.

Heh. Desperate dodging. The thread is about the IRS improperly targeting tea party groups & members. It is *not* about their IT practices except as that relates directly to allegations of conspiracy at hand. You refuse to support that allegation, meaning that the IT stuff is immaterial to the original issue.

Your points-

1, True.

2. True, but exaggerated. The information accidentally released was only confidential because the applications were pending. Once accepted, the information becomes public, anyway. The groups obviously intended that the information become public or they wouldn't have applied.

3. Neither of us is qualified to interpret federal law, particularly not just from snippets. It's immaterial to the original issues, given that no causative effect can be shown between the supposed conspiracy & the IT practices used at the time. Repubs merely attempt to exploit those issues to claim conspiracy. If you even attempted to answer my questions you'd realize that to be true.

It's like Ken Starr finally busting Clinton for lying about a blowjob which had absolutely nothing to do with Whitewater. It's a fishing expedition.

 

[ivwshane]

So he's a buffoon. That's probably not news to anyone.

As far as why there hasn't been an measures to stop this from happening in the future. I would assume after the investigation is over, then where its warranted there will be criminal proceeding and sentencing, after which will be the legislating of new laws.

To expect them to start passing new laws to stop any future wrongdoing when we aren't even fully aware of what went on is pretty unrealistic. Give it time and we'll see how it ends up.

It's apparently news to you so...


Now that you've gained some perspective maybe you can come up with a good reason why someone who is so interested in preventing an issue like this from happening again, hasn't given Lerner immunity for her testimony? If the quest is to find the truth and not to use this as political fodder then explain Issas actions.

 

[spidey07]

We have enough for a special prosecutor. Start impeaching.

The groundwork has been laid. The foundation has been built. This is bigger than watergate.

 

[spidey07]

It's apparently news to you so...


Now that you've gained some perspective maybe you can come up with a good reason why someone who is so interested in preventing an issue like this from happening again, hasn't given Lerner immunity for her testimony? If the quest is to find the truth and not to use this as political fodder then explain Issas actions.

You have to build the legal foundation first to remove the traitor in the ehitehouse. That's what this is. Go house republicans go! Do the job we elected you to do.

You don't get it. The goal is to remove the traitor in the whitehouse

 

[ivwshane]

We have enough for a special prosecutor. Start impeaching.

The groundwork has been laid. The foundation has been built. This is bigger than watergate.

You have to build the legal foundation first to remove the traitor in the ehitehouse. That's what this is. Go house republicans go! Do the job we elected you to do.

You don't get it. The goal is to remove the traitor in the whitehouse

Lol! Is your mouth foaming?



Also, I don't think you understand what a traitor is

 

[fskimospy]

We have enough for a special prosecutor. Start impeaching.

The groundwork has been laid. The foundation has been built. This is bigger than watergate.

Seek professional mental help. You are suffering from severe psychosis.

 

[spidey07]

Seek professional mental help. You are suffering from severe psychosis.

What part of my post is not truth and reality?

You too young to remember watergate?

 

[Victorian Gray]

What part of my post is not truth and reality?

You too young to remember watergate?

I certainly remember Watergate and this sure as hell ain't even close.

 

[fskimospy]

What part of my post is not truth and reality?

You too young to remember watergate?

Are you too stupid to remember what watergate was?

 

[Jhhnn]

We have enough for a special prosecutor. Start impeaching.

The groundwork has been laid. The foundation has been built. This is bigger than watergate.

If evidence were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to get a pissant's motor scooter halfway around a dime.

 

[Jhhnn]

You have to build the legal foundation first to remove the traitor in the ehitehouse. That's what this is. Go house republicans go! Do the job we elected you to do.

You don't get it. The goal is to remove the traitor in the whitehouse

Yeh, being black in the White House is obviously treason, if only in terms that Klansmen can understand.

 

[OutHouse]

I certainly remember Watergate and this sure as hell ain't even close.

yea Nixon was a dumbass for not burning the tapes. Obama learned from that mistake

 

[TerryMathews]

Yeh, being black in the White House is obviously treason, if only in terms that Klansmen can understand.

in that case, Barry is only half-guilty...

 

[Matt1970]

Yeh, being black in the White House is obviously treason, if only in terms that Klansmen can understand.

When all else fails, play the race card.

 

[boomerang]

I certainly remember Watergate and this sure as hell ain't even close.

Well of course it isn't. Nixon was a Republican for Christ's sake!

 

[michal1980]

Yeh, being black in the White House is obviously treason, if only in terms that Klansmen can understand.

How much get out of jail time does the black card buy Obama?

If he raped you would you blame the prosecutors for being racist from trying to get him locked up?

 

[xBiffx]

It's apparently news to you so...

I think what I just said, and what you quoted, indicated its not news.

Now that you've gained some perspective maybe you can come up with a good reason why someone who is so interested in preventing an issue like this from happening again, hasn't given Lerner immunity for her testimony? If the quest is to find the truth and not to use this as political fodder then explain Issas actions.

I would think that Issa is consulting with Trey Gowdy on this matter given his experience in matters regarding litigation. And as any good trial lawyer knows (or anyone who's been near legal proceedings) you don't make a deal (plea or immunity) with someone until you have some sort of guarantee that you are getting something in return. Neither Lerner nor her attorney has offered up anything in regards to an immunity deal. She is faced with numerous criminal charges as well as being help in contempt. She has a lot to gain from a deal yet hasn't come forward with any offer.

Issa could give her immunity tomorrow and then she could testify and give up absolutely zero. Issa then lets a criminal walk and you've got another layer of scandal. Of course, this is probably what many in here want but I don't think Issa (or more to the point Gowdy) is that stupid.

 

[spidey07]

yea Nixon was a dumbass for not burning the tapes. Obama learned from that mistake

BINGO!

Otherwise it's pretty much the same thing. Nixon would have been fine if he had burned the tapes.

 

[brycejones]

What part of my post is not truth and reality?

Anything after the W in We.