IRS confesses to inappropriately targeting conservative groups.

[soundforbjt]

Peggy Noonan does another excellent job in this op-ed about the IRS abuses of power.

Noonan: A Battering Ram Becomes a Stonewall
The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.


again,

" First, only conservative groups were targeted in this scandal by the IRS. Liberal or progressive groups were not targeted. The IRS leaked conservative groups' confidential applications and donor lists to liberal groups, never the other way around."

Never the other way around.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...81991103070.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

Peggy Noonan has no business talking about a Presidential scandal, she was in the thick of one herself and made all kinds of excuses for Reagan & Friends.

 

[monovillage]

Peggy Noonan has no business talking about a Presidential scandal, she was in the thick of one herself and made all kinds of excuses for Reagan & Friends.

It's so very telling of progressives and Democrats like you that you're defending the targeting of Americans by the IRS and this administration, that you're defending the use of various Federal agencies to punish political opponents of Obama. That you want to hide the corruption, the crimes and the poisonous atmosphere of a administration gone rogue.

Do you support what happened to Ms. Englebrecht as related in the article?

 

[HomerJS]

It's so very telling of progressives and Democrats like you that you're defending the targeting of Americans by the IRS and this administration, that you're defending the use of various Federal agencies to punish political opponents of Obama. That you want to hide the corruption, the crimes and the poisonous atmosphere of a administration gone rogue.

Do you support what happened to Ms. Englebrecht as related in the article?

Not one single person in this thread has supported targeting conservatives only as alleged.

 

[Incorruptible]

Not one single person in this thread has supported targeting conservatives only as alleged.

The leftists on P&N support this and obamas cronies also support this.

 

[ivwshane]

The leftists on P&N support this and obamas cronies also support this.

Really? Can you show me a quote from a poster that agrees with the actions of the IRS scandal? Can you show me one quote from Obama saying he agrees with what the IRS did?



Just like every other thread where I ask you to support your claims I'm sure I won't be getting an on topic reply from you.

 

[monovillage]

Not one single person in this thread has supported targeting conservatives only as alleged.

As a matter of fact a number of early posters in this thread such as zinfamous tried to justify the targeting of conservatives since they are basically anti-tax. Nice try though.

 

[monovillage]

IRS confesses to inappropriately targeting conservative groups.

Well. Finally a good news day. Da is a God.

Here you go iVDubya

 

[Incorruptible]

Not one single person in this thread has supported targeting conservatives only as alleged.

You should've read the whole thread.

IRS confesses to inappropriately targeting conservative groups.

Well. Finally a good news day. Da is a God.

Maybe it's because "Corps are People" and it's now harder to trace the money & organization. We know which group fought for it... Wouldn't those be the best targets?

 

[Bowfinger]

Peggy Noonan does another excellent job in this op-ed about the IRS abuses of power.

There's your first mistake, believing that anything Noonan does is excellent (unless you mean excellent in a "spreading RNC propaganda" sense). Noonan is a purely partisan hack whose primary talent seems to be blowing prodigious clouds of red smoke.

Noonan: A Battering Ram Becomes a Stonewall
The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.


again,

" First, only conservative groups were targeted in this scandal by the IRS. Liberal or progressive groups were not targeted.

That, for example, is a lie. Liberal groups were also targeted. Yes, conservative groups were quite disproportionately targeted, but Noonan isn't content with presenting that clear abuse truthfully. Instead, she lies to make it sound even worse.

The IRS leaked conservative groups' confidential applications and donor lists to liberal groups, never the other way around."

Never the other way around.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...81991103070.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

No disagreement with that based on what we know so far.

I also think the Engelbrecht story deserves investigation, but I don't take it at face value yet. All we have so far is her side of the story, and she has a vested interest in spinning this to her advantage, both to deny wrongdoing and to support her partisan agenda. While this could have been initiated by the government, it's also possible it was triggered by complaints, e.g., from a disgruntled employee or other insider. Again, it bears investigation, but I suggest waiting for results before pushing it too hard. You guys have been burned again and again by hyperbolic stories that turned out to be either grossly exaggerated or completely fabricated.

 

[werepossum]

This along with our altered third world- and unskilled-heavy amnesty rich immigration policy is why I think we're headed for a political system such as Red China enjoys. Demographics heavily favors the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party is now openly using the machinery of government to gain and maintain power, and the supporters of the Democrat Party are either openly supporting this behavior or denying that it is anything more than coincidence and incompetence. Concurrently the left is attacking the independence of the press at a magnitude even the right hasn't dared, and with much less opposition.

We are heading for a virtual one-party system where your choice is between John Jackson (D) and Jack Johnson (R), with a federal government willing and able to crush the little guy at its whim.

 

[xBiffx]

This along with our altered third world- and unskilled-heavy amnesty rich immigration policy is why I think we're headed for a political system such as Red China enjoys. Demographics heavily favors the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party is now openly using the machinery of government to gain and maintain power, and the supporters of the Democrat Party are either openly supporting this behavior or denying that it is anything more than coincidence and incompetence. Concurrently the left is attacking the independence of the press at a magnitude even the right hasn't dared, and with much less opposition.

We are heading for a virtual one-party system where your choice is between John Jackson (D) and Jack Johnson (R), with a federal government willing and able to crush the little guy at its whim.

This. Absolutely this. Just add in the ability to decide how long you might get to live based on medical treatments that others get to decide on and you have it.

 

[soundforbjt]

Peggy Noonan gets ripped by Jon Stewart:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-...obama-irs-reagan-tea-party-iran-contra-2013-5

 

[palehorse]

The people responsible should be fired but no evidence of anything illegal. Looks like a case of profiling which the right favors.

I'm sticking to my theory motive was to expidite the load of C4 apps not to harass political opponents. I don't think IRS people could be that dumb.

I did an IT-related project for the IRS several years ago at a few of their consolidated centers. You'd be surprised by the personnel I found working there -- they weren't exactly the best and brightest. In fact, most of them would likely be flipping burgers or cleaning bathrooms if they didn't score their GS-5 gigs at the IRS! Their general incompetence, air of disinterest, and lack of education actually surprised (and frightened) me at the time...

 

[xBiffx]

I did an IT-related project for the IRS several years ago at a few of their consolidated centers. You'd be surprised by the personnel I found working there -- they weren't exactly the best and brightest. In fact, most of them would likely be flipping burgers or cleaning bathrooms if they didn't score their GS-5 gigs at the IRS! Their general incompetence, air of disinterest, and lack of education actually surprised (and frightened) me at the time...

Pretty much describes anyone getting a government paycheck outside the military. At least, this has been my experience.

 

[michal1980]

Peggy Noonan gets ripped by Jon Stewart:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-...obama-irs-reagan-tea-party-iran-contra-2013-5

ahh so because something bad happened before, you can no longer point out bad things happening to today.

thats what J.S. is saying. I.E. John Stewart wants to change the subject.

 

[palehorse]

Pretty much describes anyone getting a government paycheck outside the military. At least, this has been my experience.

I've been working for/with the Federal government for most of my adult life, but I've never seen things as bad as they were at the IRS processing centers.

I even had the "pleasure" of visiting the Cincinnati center, specifically. When I first heard that this issue may be centered there, it didn't surprise me AT ALL. It's not an exaggeration when I say that the VAST majority of the employees there are likely Obama supporters (based simply on the fact that vast majority of them are/were African Americans from the inner city).

 

[monovillage]

Peggy Noonan gets ripped by Jon Stewart:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-...obama-irs-reagan-tea-party-iran-contra-2013-5

There's a difference, Peggy Noonan was a speechwriter for 2 different Presidential administrations and admits her partisanship. Jon Stewart is a fucking piece of shit that lies about his partisanship and attempts to hide behind his "entertainer" label.

Can you see the difference between an honest woman and a lying man ?

 

[Bowfinger]

There's a difference, Peggy Noonan was a speechwriter for 2 different administrations and admits her partisanship. Jon Stewart is a fucking piece of shit that lies about his partisanship and attempts to hide behind his "entertainer" label.

Can you see the difference between an honest woman and a lying man ?

ROFLMAOWFBBQ!!! Truly epic non sequitur.

Even ignoring your highly self-serving claim that Noonan admits her partisanship while Stewart denies his, being honest about one's partisanship emphatically does NOT make one honest about other things. I caught Noonan in another lie just a few posts ago, and you've admitted to being a partisan hack, yet heaven knows you lie regularly. You really need to work harder on creating rational arguments.

 

[PokerGuy]

Anyone who quotes John Stewart as some sort of authority or as if his drivel actually merits serious consideration is a complete moron.

 

[xBiffx]

ROFLMAOWFBBQ!!! Truly epic non sequitur.

Pretty much describes you to a T.

Wonder why you didn't respond to the OP of that story in the same way. Jon Stewart is irrelevant as is anything he or his writers say.

 

[PokerGuy]

That, for example, is a lie. Liberal groups were also targeted.

Honest question: is there any evidence of this other than what the IRS officials (now themselves under fire) claim? I've yet to see any reports of such targeting occurring on the other side, just that the IRS rats claiming it.

 

[PokerGuy]

Jon Stewart is irrelevant as is anything he or his writers say.

No, no, no, his writers are honest, truthful and worth listening to, but only when they're not busy making fun of people who's lives have been devastated by tornado's and making political jokes it :whiste:

 

[Bowfinger]

Pretty much describes you to a T.

Wonder why you didn't respond to the OP of that story in the same way. Jon Stewart is irrelevant as is anything he or his writers say.

So we can add "non sequitur" to the (long) list of things you're clueless about. Let me repeat some advice I've offered before: better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[xBiffx]

No, no, no, his writers are honest, truthful and worth listening to, but only when they're not busy making fun of people who's lives have been devastated by tornado's and making political jokes it :whiste:

Yep. It amazes me when people bring up the opinion of his types (Stewart, Colbert, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity) as an honest rebuttal to a serious discussion. Their only objective is viewership. Which makes their opinion less than objective.

 

[xBiffx]

So we can add "non sequitur" to the (long) list of things you're clueless about. Let me repeat some advice I've offered before: better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Says the guy pointing the finger to someone else for being self-serving.