IRS confesses to inappropriately targeting conservative groups.

[ivwshane]

Nope.

Google 501 (c)(4) orgs. There are a crap load of political types that have been around for a long time before Rove's. I already gave you an example in the link in my post.

Fern

Let me rephrase what I wrote; thanks to rove, the use of 501c4's sky rocketed (for the reasons I stated in the previous post).

The reason there have been a ton of these type of organizations was due to the IRS changing the requirement from "exclusively for the promotion of social welfare" to "must operate primarily to further common good and the general welfare".

Rove didnt invent them, he simply made them famous.

 

[monovillage]

Let me rephrase what I wrote; thanks to rove, the use of 501c4's sky rocketed (for the reasons I stated in the previous post).

The reason there have been a ton of these type of organizations was due to the IRS changing the requirement from "exclusively for the promotion of social welfare" to "must operate primarily to further common good and the general welfare".

Rove didnt invent them, he simply made them famous.

Or to be honest, Rove used what used to be the exclusive territory of leftist groups into something that could and is used by both sides of the political aisle. You might want to look into why politically left groups such as The Humane Society were protected, but conservative groups were delayed, obstructed and refused 501c4 coverage.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/16/irs-lois-lerner-humane-society/

Another example of how the biased leadership of the IRS abused their authority


on the lighter side, the worlds smallest monkey eats a noodle.
http://boingboing.net/2013/05/18/worlds-tiniest-monkey-eats-a.html

 

[Hacp]

In response to the title, this is government at its finest. Though some government is needed, it is inherently corrupt. That is the reason why libertarians want to limit the size of government, so shady government agencies like the IRS, EPA, and SSA don't violate our rights to freedom.

 

[Zorkorist]

It doesn't even begin to describe the corruption of Government, HACP.

There are so many levels of corruption in Government today.

From their spending more money than they have,
to their implementing communist/socialist theory, as in socialized medicine,
To the Obama regime, being the most secretive, and non-transparent president ever.

Doesn't look good for the Average American.

-John

 

[BlueWolf47]

Does anyone else think its funny that these groups didn't have to file their 501c4's with the IRS? I just laughed my ass off on the Colbert Report.

 

[monovillage]

The former head of the IRS is heading to the Hill to testify about what he knew and when he knew it.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130521/DA6DI92O2.html

On Monday, the White House revealed that chief of staff Denis McDonough and other senior presidential advisers knew in late April that an upcoming inspector general's report was likely to find that IRS employees had inappropriately targeted conservative political groups.

The White House says McDonough and the other advisers did not tell President Barack Obama about the impending report, leaving him to learn the results from news reports on May 10. White House press secretary Jay Carney said Obama was comfortable with the fact that "some matters are not appropriate to convey to him, and this is one of them."

A Treasury official also disclosed Monday that the department told the White House twice in late April about IRS plans to address the targeting publicly, including during congressional testimony and a possible speech by Lois Lerner, the head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups. White House deputy chief of staff Mark Childress and Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson were in communication on the matter, as were lawyers at the White House and Treasury.

It seems that Obama is very comfortable with his administration protecting his plausible deniability in controversial/illegal issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability

 

[PokerGuy]

The former head of the IRS is heading to the Hill to testify about what he knew and when he knew it.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130521/DA6DI92O2.html

It seems that Obama is very comfortable with his administration protecting his plausible deniability in controversial/illegal issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability

Ho hum, it's only the IRS being used to target people based on their political perspective, no biggie, no need to bring it to obummer's attention. :whiste:

 

[Incorruptible]

obama and his supporters/cronies are real pieces of shit for doing this. To go after the Tea Party is just disgusting.

 

[waggy]

The former head of the IRS is heading to the Hill to testify about what he knew and when he knew it.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130521/DA6DI92O2.html



It seems that Obama is very comfortable with his administration protecting his plausible deniability in controversial/illegal issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability

he didn't think it was a good idea to let the President know that teh IRS witch is under his control was targeting groups that did not like the president? /facepalm

 

[soundforbjt]

obama and his supporters/cronies are real pieces of shit for doing this. To go after the Tea Party is just disgusting.

I think it's especially odd that a party that" hates big gov't", would file these applications to the gov't when they didn't have to.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Because that party still doesn't know how to use a computer and search the internet.

 

[Fern]

Let me rephrase what I wrote; thanks to rove, the use of 501c4's sky rocketed (for the reasons I stated in the previous post).

The reason there have been a ton of these type of organizations was due to the IRS changing the requirement from "exclusively for the promotion of social welfare" to "must operate primarily to further common good and the general welfare".
-snip-

Interesting change. You have a link for that?

I don't do many 501 (c)(4) applications (Form 1024), but had to do one last month and it was a PITA. Took a lot of research and most of the info is 'gray' or 'mushy'. The point being, seemed much of the rules etc have been developed by case law (tax courts etc.).

I have some problem believing the IRS unilaterally changed the rules as they only have that power in unusual situations (e.g., statutory regulations). The IRS creates their 'rules' primarily by Treasury Regulations and those must conform to law as passed by Congress.

I.e., I'm thinking the change, if it happened, would have been driven by court cases. So, I would appreciate a link if you have one.

TIA

Fern

 

[Socio]

Top IRS official will invoke 5th Amendment

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,6645565.story

WASHINGTON — A top IRS official in the division that reviews nonprofit groups will invoke the 5th Amendment and refuse to answer questions before a House committee investigating the agency’s improper screening of conservative nonprofit groups.

Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS, won’t answer questions about what she knew about the improper screening — or why she didn’t disclose it to Congress, according to a letter from her defense lawyer, William W. Taylor III. Lerner was scheduled to appear before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday.

Since Lerner won’t answer questions, Taylor asked that she be excused from appearing, saying that would “have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her.” There was no immediate word whether the committee will grant her request.

If there was nothing to hide why the 5th?

 

[monovillage]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,6645565.story
If there was nothing to hide why the 5th?

Pleading the 5th Amendment is her right, but she still needs to be called on to testify.

We need a Special Prosecutor, this country needs a Special Prosecutor to look into these criminal abuses by the Obama Administration.
What did Obama know and when did he know it?

 

[Fern]

Since Lerner won’t answer questions, Taylor asked that she be excused from appearing, saying that would “have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her.” There was no immediate word whether the committee will grant her request.

Yeah, I bet that won't be happening.

Having the IRS official appear and claim the 5th would be too much to pass up.

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

Yeah, I bet that won't be happening.

Having the IRS official appear and claim the 5th would be too much to pass up.

Fern

IMO, if she won't testify, she should be fired. She is a public servant, and she is supposed to work for us. If she is unwilling to discuss her activities as our employee, she should be out...immediately. That's not acceptable.

 

[monovillage]

Yeah, I bet that won't be happening.

Having the IRS official appear and claim the 5th would be too much to pass up.

Fern

A special prosecutor can grant immunity and compel her to testify, firing her would be too easy on her.

 

[waggy]

Pleading the 5th Amendment is her right, but she still needs to be called on to testify.

We need a Special Prosecutor, this country needs a Special Prosecutor to look into these criminal abuses by the Obama Administration.
What did Obama know and when did he know it?

i agree. i think its at the point a special prosecutor needs to be chosen.

 

[boomerang]

DIANNY RANTS: Putin Called. He Wants His KGB Back

A snippet follows.

Who knew that the “Reset” button Hillary Clinton gave Russia would teleport us into 1977. Only this time, we’re the Soviet Socialist Republic.

Today, Sharyl Attkisson disclosed that her home and office computers have been compromised.

In Jack Bauer speak, that means that Sharyl Attkisson’s computers are being monitored by the Federal Government.
Somebody let me know if a digital clock suddenly appeared on the screen. I’m too busy typing to monitor those sorts of things.

What is it about Leftists that they always have to fall back on their old standard Tyranny to keep power in their clutches?

So now, Putin is watching what’s happening here in the US. The Press being monitored and bugged, the IRS targeting enemies of the State. And poor Vlad is thinking to himself, “Step back! Nobody is that Pinko!”

You know it’s bad when the Chief Executive of the United States of America is more of a totalitarian thug than Vladimir Putin, Yuri Andropov, and Leonid Brezhnev combined.

Hot damn. That is one über Dictator.

And there’s Barack Obama, standing there with that confused, “who cut the fart” look on his face acting like he has no idea what’s going on.

 

[HomerJS]

obama and his supporters/cronies are real pieces of shit for doing this. To go after the Tea Party is just disgusting.

But as long as the IRS goes after "those" people at the NAACP that's ok

 

[Incorruptible]

But as long as the IRS goes after "those" people at the NAACP that's ok

Were talking about Conservatives and the Tea Party. I know this might be hard for you but try to stay on topic.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Does anyone else think its funny that these groups didn't have to file their 501c4's with the IRS? I just laughed my ass off on the Colbert Report.

ITT: More retards that get their political advise from a liberal "satire-for-the-mentally-handicapped" show.

 

[xBiffx]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,6645565.story





If there was nothing to hide why the 5th?

I'm curious how far that could go. It's meant to protect someone for damaging themselves under oath and risking prosecution because of something they said. So if they ask her a question that couldn't possibly incriminate her, but rather someone else, does the 5th still apply?

For instance, the question: "Did you talk to the White House about this?" doesn't seem to be worthy of pleading the 5th. There is no answer to that question that implicates her in a crime in any way. She can't be prosecuted for talking to the White House about this.

 

[xBiffx]

IMO, if she won't testify, she should be fired. She is a public servant, and she is supposed to work for us. If she is unwilling to discuss her activities as our employee, she should be out...immediately. That's not acceptable.

Fairly certain that's going to happen as well. There is no way she is going to be kept on to oversee the IRS's dealings on Obamacare, that much I think is certain.

 

[Double Trouble]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,6645565.story

If there was nothing to hide why the 5th?

Pleading the 5th can not and should not be seen as a sign of guilt.

I find it very curious that she would plead the 5th, I can't imagine anything she could say that would subject her to criminal charges...... unless she really did knowingly lie to congress about this mess.

If she goes in front of congress and pleads the 5th and refuses to answer questions, she needs to be fired. I'm sure the administration is not pleased to have this kind of egg on it's face with the person charged with overseeing Obamacare as it relates to the IRS pleading the 5th in front of congress for shady past activities.