Ironic that the de-Baathifiers are now calling for unity in Iraq?

[bradly1101]

We designed a system to remove Baathists from Iraqi society, even in the education ministry. They got pissed and were armed, and were always a big part of the violence there since the end of the war.

Now Iraq seeks our help with a Sunni insurrection, and we say, "Sorry, your society is not integrated enough."

Is it just an excuse not to engage in the face of America's wish to stay out? It sounds that way to me. I want us to stay out too, but we're the ones who sparked the internal conflict.

The policy brought about many problems. This was from before the recent crisis.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/03/201331055338463426.html

Two years after uprisings spread across the Middle East and North Africa, countries are struggling to find a way to effectively dismantle the political structures of former regimes. Those seeking to carve a path forward have much to learn from Iraq, where the de-Baathification process was so poorly designed and executed that it significantly contributed to the collapse of many state functions. A decade on, its impacts can still be felt.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I think if Iraq turned into one big chocolate fudge sundae with brownies, whipped cream, sprinkles, walnuts,.. I would still not care about it.

Obviously speak/talk about Iraq all you wish. But, it was a dud war, that brought misery, death, embarrassment, pain and profit (for a select few 'Patriots') to America.

It is the crown jewel of a SNAFU.

I hope we never set foot in Iraq,.. or anywhere else in that region - ever. Again, even if Iraq turns into a big chocolate fudge sundae.

 

[uclabachelor]

The weather in Iraq is pretty predictable... it's either Sunni or Shiite.

 

[bradly1101]

The weather in Iraq is pretty predictable... it's either Sunni or Shiite.

So sad; it was both not too long ago living in relative peace.

 

[PokerGuy]

So sad; it was both not too long ago living in relative peace.

When was that? Yeah, under Saddam there was "peace", everyone lived in terror of him and his henchmen, so much so that there was no room for other strife. The sunni minority group controlled everything. Even prior to Saddam there was plenty of strife.

I don't think we're going to see the various factions of crazy happily coexisting in peace over there any time soon, unless a new strongman emerges to rule with an iron fist.

 

[Zebo]

Maliki this week, somebody/something else next week. A political settlement of Iraq’s ongoing civil war has been out of reach for 10 years now and polticains blame anything besides reality that secs/tribes/ethics fucking hate each other for time eternal. And it takes a crazy ass strongman like saddam to keep things organized. Hell even when two sunni jihadi groups got same enemy like in Syria Jihadis fight each other instead of common enemy Assad. Derp. Next door neighbor tribes always fighting all over islamic world. Save the total police states.

 

[Zebo]

I think if Iraq turned into one big chocolate fudge sundae with brownies, whipped cream, sprinkles, walnuts,.. I would still not care about it.

Obviously speak/talk about Iraq all you wish. But, it was a dud war, that brought misery, death, embarrassment, pain and profit (for a select few 'Patriots') to America.

It is the crown jewel of a SNAFU.

I hope we never set foot in Iraq,.. or anywhere else in that region - ever. Again, even if Iraq turns into a big chocolate fudge sundae.

We'll have to. We were out and now look at them. There are DOUBLE the terror groups world wide now as 2010 and double the members according to Rand study a couple weeks ago.
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR637/RAND_RR637.pdf

Seems the "moderates" like a strong horse and are joining up. Either way it's naive to think they will just leave us alone. These groups make no secret about their goals. World wide Islamic domination. OFC we'll get in the way some time or another.