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FDA to Crack Down on Supplement Andro
Fri Mar 12, 3:27 AM ET


By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer

WASHINGTON - Worried that children still are imitating baseball slugger Mark McGwire's one-time fondness for andro, federal health officials are moving to end sales of the steroid-like supplement.


The body converts andro, known officially as androstenedione, into testosterone and, to some extent, estrogen, the Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) said Thursday.


That means it poses the same health risks as directly using anabolic steroids, which are controlled substances, the FDA said in warning 23 manufacturers to cease sales or face federal seizure of their products or other penalties.


Among the risks FDA cited are heart and liver damage, and some gender-specific problems: testicular atrophy, impotence and breast enlargement for males, and facial hair, menstrual problems and increased risk of breast and uterine cancer for females. Children can undergo early puberty and stunting of bone growth.


"These are irreversible, irreversible health consequences," said FDA Commissioner Mark McClellan.


One major supplement company, TwinLab Corp., didn't return a call seeking comment. But some smaller distributors said Thursday they'll comply, reluctantly.


"This is a political way of making hay" because of hysteria over athlete steroid use, said Troy Dickerson of LifeLink in Grover Beach, Calif., who said he sells up to 10,000 bottles of andro annually and has never had a health complaint.


Athletic use of performance-enhancing drugs is drawing harsh political scrutiny, and legislation pending in Congress would formally designate andro and more than two dozen other steroid-like substances as controlled substances just like other anabolid steroids ? making them available by prescription only under certain conditions.


The bill also urges tougher sentencing guidelines, so if the legislation passes and athletes take a banned steroid, "we're going to send them to jail," said Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., a co-sponsor of the bill.


The Bush administration endorsed that legislation Thursday ? but the FDA decided it had enough legal backing to begin ending andro sales without waiting for Congress.


FDA cited a 1994 dietary supplements law that required any dietary ingredient sold after that date to provide reasonable risk of safety to FDA before selling ? something no andro maker ever did, McClellan said.


"In short, it's not a legal product," agreed Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who wrote that supplements law.


"Today, we have hit a home run: our top health authorities are making clear that andro should not be on the market," he added. "Kids shouldn't be able to buy it. ... Now they won't be able to."


Andro's use soared after McGwire said he used it in 1998, the year he hit a record-setting 70 home runs for the St. Louis Cardinals. He later said he was quitting andro, citing concern that children copied his use of the pills.


Andro's use has since plummeted, from $55 million in 2001 to $15 million last year, according to the Nutrition Business Journal. But sales of supplement steroid precursors have almost doubled, to $125 million last year.


So why did FDA only now crack down on andro, and not its competitors?


The government is investigating a list of supplements and could take additional action, said Health and Human Services (news - web sites) Secretary Tommy Thompson. But it took several years to clarify andro's risks, McClellan added.

And andro remains popular with kids, said Rep. John Sweeney, R-NY, citing interest among his own children's friends. One government survey found one in 50 high school sophomores and one in 40 seniors had used andro in 2001, the latest data available.


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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: edro13
I will stick to whey protein, but thanks... :D
Yeah me too. I have plenty of tetosterone I don't need supplements to create more.

 

Amused

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While I don't use this... I find it sad that the government is, yet again, passing more nanny-state laws.
 

Amused

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On a side note, here is a clue:

How do you know if a suppliment works? If it works, the government will ban it.

I don't use Andro, but I DO use creatine. And there has been calls for bans on that as well. Why? Because it WORKS.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Amused
While I don't use this... I find it sad that the government is, yet again, passing more nanny-state laws.
Yeah this, Ephedrine, Censorship and Marriage. And I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility. They are no better than the Democrats.

 

BigJ

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Andro has been on sale for quite awhile now at GNC. The Pinnacle Andro-poppers have been 15-20$, normally selling for about 40-50$
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
While I don't use this... I find it sad that the government is, yet again, passing more nanny-state laws.
Yeah this, Ephedrine, Censorship and Marriage. And I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility. They are no better than the Democrats.

I agree.

And it's libertarians who are about personal responsibility.
 

StageLeft

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It's republicans who are all about personal responsibility if it's in line with their thinking :)
 
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I have to imagine that an intern at the FDA was researching this topic and suggested banning andro. They must have taken a time machine back to 1999 when andro was the only pro-hormone around or something. In the last year-year and a half, 1-test and now methyl 1-test have improved upon the andro base exponentially; 1-test is actually called a pro-steroid because its structure is classified as a class-1 steroid. So really, this all seems like a media ploy, they're not doing anything. I think Howard Stern said it best the other day when he said: "The two biggest problems in America are steroids, and me."
Washington truly has their hand on the pulse of America.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
While I don't use this... I find it sad that the government is, yet again, passing more nanny-state laws.
Yeah this, Ephedrine, Censorship and Marriage. And I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility. They are no better than the Democrats.

I agree.

And it's libertarians who are about personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility? hahahaha. 95% of Americans wouldn't know personal responsibility if it bit them in the a...HEY HEY!
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
While I don't use this... I find it sad that the government is, yet again, passing more nanny-state laws.
Yeah this, Ephedrine, Censorship and Marriage. And I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility. They are no better than the Democrats.

Wrong forum. Take it to Politics & News.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
While I don't use this... I find it sad that the government is, yet again, passing more nanny-state laws.
Yeah this, Ephedrine, Censorship and Marriage. And I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility. They are no better than the Democrats.

I agree.

And it's libertarians who are about personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility? hahahaha. 95% of Americans wouldn't know personal responsibility if it bit them in the a...HEY HEY!

There is a reason for that. The more the government assumes responsibilty, the more the public comes to expect that.
 

SP33Demon

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This is absolutely idiotic... Andro has been around for years, and just NOW all of a sudden they are going to decide to ban it?? Gimme a break, other steroids such as THG are banned immediately by the FDA, yet the FDA has allowed Andro to be sold in GNC for at least the past 5-10 years? This is just like the fallout on ephedrine, ephedrine is not harmful to your health when following the instructions. Problems are, people are too incompetant to read and kill themselves by not drinking enough water, so ephedra got the blame. Now andro, and nobody has died or has been crippled by Andro... absurd.
 

Rudee

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Given the choice between admitting to anabolic steroid use and admitting to use of a legal substance, the decision for McGwire was easy. He claimed to use Andro. The truth is, McGwire was using Anabolic steroids, not Andro. Andro was only popular due to rumors surrounding it's use. Andro does not have a lot of repeat customers, because once people try it and find out it doesn't work, people no longer buy it. The only people using Andro are first time users who simply don't know the truth. Andro is one of the biggest shams in the supplement industry.

As far as Andro's use soaring after McGwire said he used it in 1998, of course people are going to buy it to try it. The sad thing is, if McGwire said he drank horse urine to get his tremendous strength, people would try that too. Bottom line: Don't waste a penny on this garbage
 

Balt

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Even the remote possibility of growing man boobs has kept me away from stuff like that.
 

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Originally posted by: Rudee
Given the choice between admitting to anabolic steroid use and admitting to use of a legal substance, the decision for McGwire was easy. He claimed to use Andro. The truth is, McGwire was using Anabolic steroids, not Andro. Andro was only popular due to rumors surrounding it's use. Andro does not have a lot of repeat customers, because once people try it and find out it doesn't work, people no longer buy it. The only people using Andro are first time users who simply don't know the truth. Andro is one of the biggest shams in the supplement industry.

As far as Andro's use soaring after McGwire said he used it in 1998, of course people are going to buy it to try it. The sad thing is, if McGwire said he drank horse urine to get his tremendous strength, people would try that too. Bottom line: Don't waste a penny on this garbage

Incredibly true. Andro doesn't do jack sh1t for size.
 

Drakkon

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I took andro for about a year and from what i saw as effects from it were pretty nill. I got the stuff from GNC and although it was pretty watered down it still had some effect. After a month of taking it (after a previous year of working out) i felt an increase in endurance. When i went off it for a week do to illness it would totoally make a difference...i'd be more tired and not as ready to go work out. Once i started back on it again it seemed to do something. I wouldn't say it made me bigger but it made me feel like i could go longer in the weight room than usual. Suffered no ill side effects that i can tell...my penis is still the same size, still plenty of chest and head hair, and my heart rate is better than where it was a couple years ago.
I dunno about outlawing it, i guess if you took it in excess it might screw things up. It felt more like a caffine pill than anything else really. I can understand the govt wanting to outlaw it but as it is now its regulated, all that will happen by outlawing will make people go to mexico and buy the crap down there and expect it to do something for them which it wont or it will be even worse than the stuff were getting now. I say if someone wants to screw up their body go ahead and let them, so long as they aren't affecting me in any way what do i care? if basbeball players are hitting the ball further, build bigger fields. If football are taking each others arms off, make better padding.
 

Riprorin

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I don't see the point in taking any of this stuff.

If you want to lose weight, do more cardio and modify your diet. If you want to build bigger muscles, hit the weights harder.

Too many people want results without putting in the effort.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
I don't see the point in taking any of this stuff.

If you want to lose weight, do more cardio and modify your diet. If you want to build bigger muscles, hit the weights harder.

Too many people want results without putting in the effort.

Supplements assist and/or maximize the time and effort you put into the gym. They're not a no-effort results magic bean.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: Rudee
Given the choice between admitting to anabolic steroid use and admitting to use of a legal substance, the decision for McGwire was easy. He claimed to use Andro. The truth is, McGwire was using Anabolic steroids, not Andro. Andro was only popular due to rumors surrounding it's use. Andro does not have a lot of repeat customers, because once people try it and find out it doesn't work, people no longer buy it. The only people using Andro are first time users who simply don't know the truth. Andro is one of the biggest shams in the supplement industry.

As far as Andro's use soaring after McGwire said he used it in 1998, of course people are going to buy it to try it. The sad thing is, if McGwire said he drank horse urine to get his tremendous strength, people would try that too. Bottom line: Don't waste a penny on this garbage
So you really think McGwire took roids? You've gotta be kidding me, he hit 49 homeruns his rookie year as a stick... I think he took Andro, b/c it can definitely make you bigger when using the right kind (Nor 4,5 or Diol) that gives you results.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: edro13
I will stick to whey protein, but thanks... :D
Yeah me too. I have plenty of tetosterone I don't need supplements to create more.

You likely have less than you used to. Since you are a manly man, you were probably starting with an obscenely high level though. :)

"Although formerly controversial, an age-related decline in free testosterone is now recognized as a consistent pattern in western populations."

Global Variation in Male testosterone and Age