Irene was no Hurricane at landfall

[bobdole369]

That bolded part is a common bit of misinformation, which should be debunked if weather stations are to be believed.

Nada. Again - see above - no need for winds > 74mph at the "surface" for the definition to hold. Hurricane Hunters aloft had hurricane force winds mostly in the NE quadrant just before landfall. It doesn't take "landfalling CAT1 winds" to define that a hurricane has hit a certain area. In fact the strongest winds often remain far offshore.

 

[dfuze]

The east-coast states are home to 112 million people. 40 of those 112 million died.

Statistically speaking, approx. 2,500 people die in the east-coast states every day of every year. People die. It is natural. Everyone does it.

So 40 people died in this storm? Uhhh...

I've known of traffic accidents that kill more than Irene did.

I know what you mean, the tornadoes in Sprinfield, MA a couple months ago only killed a couple people and they made such a big deal about it. Why? People die every day! /sarcasm 🙄

 

[piasabird]

It was just a large rain storm. They often kill people all over the USA. Lots of people are without power after a rain storm and after an ice storm. I had both in one year. I was smart enough to stay inside.

 

[Genx87]

The media so wanted this to be a Katrina it was sad. After 2005 we have had a pretty quiet time for hurricanes "knock on wood".

 

[Lemon law]

The media so wanted this to be a Katrina it was sad. After 2005 we have had a pretty quiet time for hurricanes "knock on wood".

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Its really hard for me to get excited about a tiny semantic difference between a named tropical storm that turned into a genuine hurricane, as it then weakened back into a only a major tropical storm before it made official US land fall.

The bottom line, Irene caused tremendous damage, million without power, some 40 deaths attributed directly to Irene, and billions of dollars of property damage.

Yet GenX somehow thinks that if he can knock on wood hard enough, he can somehow say this is not a hurricane and nothing happened to worry our heads about.

There is nothing new about hurricanes, Europeans have known about them from the time of Columbus, and as we examine the geological record, we can find examples in New England swamps far in land of Ocean sand being washed into them, dating back for million of years. Gee we should really wonder about such past events, were they just mere tropical storms or real hurricanes.

The point is and remains we will see future hurricanes hitting Galveston, New Orleans, and all over the Eastern Sea board in the future. And MMGW may increase their frequency. But some how, GenX sees a temporary 5 year minimum times in the solar sun spot cycle as a cause for optimism??

But then again, I live in Indiana, and Irene did not effect my weather a bit. But when I open my next year's homeowners insurance bill, odds are I will be paying increased rates, oh goody. And maybe the increase will be justified, because when a major hurricane strikes far enough West, it may downgrade to a tropical storm as it pushes North and then West, and then dumps 6-8 inches of rain on Indiana in just a matter of a few hours. I already had that in 1993 and only got a flooded basement.

In short, I am not going to tell the victims of Irene, still sitting in the dark with damaged homes, don't worry, it was only a tropical storm.

 

[JSt0rm]

just another attack on science by the rabble tea peasants.

 

[zinfamous]

Does the OP have some sort of mental disorder?

 

[dmcowen674]

Where is the OP?

Has he ever seen the devastation left by a Tropical system no matter what the designation?

Over 40 people lost their lives and tens of thousands or more have had their lives forever altered.

Historic buildings have been wiped off the map.

I am here in New York this weekend for my class re-union and seeing the damage first hand. The Hall for the event is running on a large CAT generator and it's five days after the storm.

 

[Hacp]

The OP was just trying to prove that politics (global warming junkies) played a role in classifying Irene as a Hurricane when it made landfall when in fact it was a tropical storm. The liberal media decided to play politics and classify it as a hurricane.

If science had its way, the storm would have been labeled as a tropical storm and nothing else. The liberal media likes to exaggerate these natural disasters, much like they like to exaggerate man made global warming.

 

[Fern]

The story of Irene's hype is an incredible tale of mass lying.

The Nation Hurricane Center (NHC), and media, kept calling Irene a Hurricane almost a full day after landfall even though it fell apart before landfall.
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It was over hyped and it annoyed me.

I remember telling my son as we watched the coverage that this thing was no hurricane.

People claiming it was a good idea for safety to (falsely) claim it was a hurricane so people would the heed warnings need to think of the flip side: Some of theses people who think they survived a hurricane may not take adequate precaution when a real one does shows up. I think this particularly relevant for those in the N.E. and unaccustomed to them.

The media and the NWS needs to stick with accuracy. There's nothing wrong with people learning that a tropical storm, or even depression, can kick your @ss.

Yeah, I too hope they fix the record.

Fern

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Man some of you are just hopeless. You do realize that not a single land based instrument recorded sustained hurricane force wind during Katrina right? Was that overhyped too? That made landfall as a category 3. Marine monitors did not record sustained surface winds above a category one.

I'll ask again. What is the point of this stupid thread?

 

[OutHouse]

It still had hurricane force winds over NC. So it was a hurricane when it made landfall there... Hurricanes need warm ocean water to survive. Land kills them, so it makes perfect sense for it to weaken as it goes over land.

Katrina wasn't a hurricane when it reached Tennessee, so does that mean it wasn't a hurricane when it made landfall in Gulfport MS?


Me thinks you might be trollin'.

Hurricane IKE that hit houston in 08 did not break down until it was well into Arkansas/Missouri.

 

[OutHouse]

The media so wanted this to be a Katrina it was sad. After 2005 we have had a pretty quiet time for hurricanes "knock on wood".

September 13, 2008 - Hurricane Ike made landfall at Galveston, Texas as a large Category 2 hurricane (with a storm surger comparable to that of a category 5). Ike was the most destructive hurricane to ever hit Texas and one of the deadliest. Ike caused $30 Billion dollars in damage, in the Galveston/Houston area, as well as the Golden Triangle area of SE Texas.

 

[Jaskalas]

Does the OP have some sort of mental disorder?

Yes, it takes a mental disorder to stand by the actual wind speeds instead of false information. You want to see mental? Look over this thread with people defending the hurricane advisory on a tropical storm.

They'll take the lies of an authority over reality.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yes, it takes a mental disorder to stand by the actual wind speeds instead of false information. You want to see mental? Look over this thread with people defending the hurricane advisory on a tropical storm.

They'll take the lies of an authority over reality.

They are more mental than the people who think they know better than NOAA what's a hurricane?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

The OP was just trying to prove that politics (global warming junkies) played a role in classifying Irene as a Hurricane when it made landfall when in fact it was a tropical storm. The liberal media decided to play politics and classify it as a hurricane.

If science had its way, the storm would have been labeled as a tropical storm and nothing else. The liberal media likes to exaggerate these natural disasters, much like they like to exaggerate man made global warming.

It amazes me that people like you still exist.

 

[OutHouse]

Man some of you are just hopeless. You do realize that not a single land based instrument recorded sustained hurricane force wind during Katrina right? Was that overhyped too? That made landfall as a category 3. Marine monitors did not record sustained surface winds above a category one.

I'll ask again. What is the point of this stupid thread?

errr what? where in the hell did you get that bit of bullshit? Katrina most definitely did have Hurricane force winds on land. i call you stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_Mississippi

Hurricane Katrina's winds and storm surge reached the Mississippi coastline on the afternoon of August 28, 2005,[1][2] beginning a two-day path of destruction through central Mississippi; by 10 a.m. CDT on August 29, 2005, the eye of Katrina began travelling up the entire state, only slowing from hurricane-force winds at Meridian near 7 p.m. and entering Tennessee as a tropical storm.[3] Many coastal towns of Mississippi (and Louisiana) had already been obliterated,in a single night.[4] Hurricane-force winds reached coastal Mississippi by 2 a.m.[1] and lasted over 17 hours spawning 11 tornadoes (51 in other states[2]) and a 28-foot (9 m) storm surge[2] flooding 6–12 miles (10–19 km) inland. Many, unable to evacuate,[5] survived by climbing to attics or rooftops, or swimming to higher buildings and trees. The worst property damage from Katrina occurred in coastal Mississippi, where all towns flooded over 90% in hours, and waves destroyed many historic buildings, with others gutted to the 3rd story. Afterward, over 235 people died in Mississippi, and all counties in Mississippi were declared disaster areas, 49 for full federal assistance.[6][7] Regulations were changed later for emergency centers and casinos. The emergency command centers were moved higher because all 3 coastal centers flooded at 30 ft (9 m) above sea level. Casinos were allowed on land rather than limited to floating casino barges as in 2005.
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http://www.usatoday.com/weather/stormcenter/2005-08-31-Katrina-intensity_x.htm

Katrina's winds at landfall were 140 mph, which places the storm as a strong Category 4 on the Saffir-Simpson scale of hurricane intensity.

 

[OutHouse]

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[MomentsofSanity]

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Where does any of that state land based sensors recorded sustained winds of hurricane strength which is the entire basis of the argument here? Hurricane force winds are most often limited to gusts, not sustained. The readings in the Wikipedia entry are not referring to land based readings but readings at elevation inside the hurricane which is the entire point.

 

[OutHouse]

Where does any of that state land based sensors recorded sustained winds of hurricane strength which is the entire basis of the argument here? Hurricane force winds are most often limited to gusts, not sustained. The readings in the Wikipedia entry are not referring to land based readings but readings at elevation inside the hurricane which is the entire point.

ok dummy. here is a link from NASA. why dont you write them and ask them where they got their readings from.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/h2005_katrina.html

Louisiana and about 45 miles west-southwest of Biloxi, Mississippi. Katrina is moving toward the north near 16 mph, and maximum sustained winds are near 125 mph, with higher gusts. Katrina is now a Category Three hurricane.

oh wait here is more from Keesler Air Force Base.

http://www.airweaassn.org/katrina/index.htm

KEESLER AIR FORCE BASE, Miss. -- Record low pressure, 125 mph winds and high tides converged to create a storm surge that raised the level of the Back Bay nearly 30 feet above normal. This restroom lies between the 12th and 13th holes on back nine of the golf course here. (U.S. Air Force photo)

 

[Xenon]

The OP was just trying to prove that politics (global warming junkies) played a role in classifying Irene as a Hurricane when it made landfall when in fact it was a tropical storm. The liberal media decided to play politics and classify it as a hurricane.

If science had its way, the storm would have been labeled as a tropical storm and nothing else. The liberal media likes to exaggerate these natural disasters, much like they like to exaggerate man made global warming.

Nothing but lies from you folks. It's astounding how sick you people are. In that very thread Joe Bastardi himself aka Fox News weather hero disputes this claim. This stuff isn't as simple as you morons think it is.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

ok dummy. here is a link from NASA. why dont you write them and ask them where they got their readings from.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/h2005_katrina.html

Louisiana and about 45 miles west-southwest of Biloxi, Mississippi. Katrina is moving toward the north near 16 mph, and maximum sustained winds are near 125 mph, with higher gusts. Katrina is now a Category Three hurricane.

oh wait here is more from Keesler Air Force Base.

http://www.airweaassn.org/katrina/index.htm

KEESLER AIR FORCE BASE, Miss. -- Record low pressure, 125 mph winds and high tides converged to create a storm surge that raised the level of the Back Bay nearly 30 feet above normal. This restroom lies between the 12th and 13th holes on back nine of the golf course here. (U.S. Air Force photo)

Yawn... Again nothing indicating any land based readings.

Here's soime of the max readings at a few stations inland for Katrina. The last being the category 1 reading measured in Lake Ponchartrain.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=182

New Orleans Lakefront Airport: sustained winds of 69 mph, gusting to 86 mph.
Biloxi's Keesler Air Force Base: sustained winds of 54 mph, gusting to 90 mph.
Gulfport airport: 46 mph, gusting to 58 mph.
Lake Ponchartrain mid-lake buoy: 90 mph, gusting to 114 mph.

Point being wind sensors fail. They don't always catch the true story. To claim it wasn't a hurricane because no land readings say it was is stupid. I'm not saying there weren't hurricane force sustained winds with Katrina but the land sensors say there wasn't. That doesn't change anything.

 

[OutHouse]

Yawn... Again nothing indicating any land based readings.

Here's the highest readings inland for Katrina. The last being the category 1 reading measured in Lake Ponchartrain.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=182



Point being wind sensors fail. They don't always catch the true story. To claim it wasn't a hurricane because no land readings say it was is stupid. I'm not saying there weren't hurricane force sustained winds with Katrina but the land sensors say there wasn't. That doesn't change anything.

are you stupid? Keesler AFB is on the land. here for the last time here is a NOAA link that records the SUSTAINED winds at 125mph at landfall. Ill ask you again. where did you get your info that not a single land based instrument measured katrina at land fall?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/special-reports/katrina.html

Overview

Hurricane Katrina was one of the strongest storms to impact the coast of the United States during the last 100 years. With sustained winds during landfall of 125 mph (110 kts) (a strong category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale)

 

[MomentsofSanity]

are you stupid? Keesler AFB is on the land. here for the last time here is a NOAA link that records the SUSTAINED winds at 125mph at landfall. Ill ask you again. where did you get your info that not a single land based instrument measured katrina at land fall?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/special-reports/katrina.html

Overview

Hurricane Katrina was one of the strongest storms to impact the coast of the United States during the last 100 years. With sustained winds during landfall of 125 mph (110 kts) (a strong category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale)

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lix/?n=psh_katrina

Hopefully you are familiar with the locations to know which are marine and which are land and can do the conversion from knots to mph but have fun.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And to restate my point as you can see in NOAA's post Katrina report most of the land based sensors say data incomplete. They failed. They didn't record hurricane strength sustain winds before failing. To use initial wind sensor readings for Irene to say it wasn't a hurricane is silly.