Iraqi's show more optimism then most Americans

[daniel49]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530526.ece

Hardly a utopia, many problems to deal with, but an interesting poll.

 

[blackangst1]

Ive seen similar polls and articles through the last 2 years.

But you have to remember uninformed Americans, who have a greater knowldge of war, world matters, and specifically Iraq, have decided we need to pull out ASAP. Who cares what the soldiers think, or what the anti-war crowd does to troop morale...we know better. /nod

 

[dahunan]

Currently -- can I raq get much worse .. so.. having optimism that it will get better.. shouldn't be too hard

 

[Strk]

Some 53% of Iraqis nationwide agree that the security situation will improve in the weeks after a withdrawal by international forces, while only 26% think it will get worse.

I think we should listen to them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Good for them. Now if they'd just step up and do their part maybe this war wouldn't be such a mess.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Strk

Some 53% of Iraqis nationwide agree that the security situation will improve in the weeks after a withdrawal by international forces, while only 26% think it will get worse.

I think we should listen to them.

Lets hope we can put it to the test soon

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Ive seen similar polls and articles through the last 2 years.

But you have to remember uninformed Americans, who have a greater knowldge of war, world matters, and specifically Iraq, have decided we need to pull out ASAP. Who cares what the soldiers think, or what the anti-war crowd does to troop morale...we know better. /nod

How about what the Iraqis think, do you care about that? They may be optimistic, but they also want us to leave.

 

[dahunan]

When we leave.. the place will be worse than before we removed Saddam

Islamic Law is all they will know.. that place is fckd for the next 10+ years

 

[Moonbeam]

I am suspicious of good news from Iraq. I fear that everything is manipulation. If this is true then great. But what people want or believe to be true isn't necessarily what will be. Our leaving may be good or it could turn out to be a disaster. I do not know how we can really know what is best.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Iraqi's show more optimism then most Americans.

Hardly a utopia, many problems to deal with, but an interesting poll.

< Jack Nicholson voice >

You want polls? You can't handle the polls.

< /Jack Nicholson voice >

The Washington Post reports:

Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show

Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.

In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.

Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country.

The stark assessments, among the most negative attitudes toward U.S.-led forces since they invaded Iraq in 2003, contrast sharply with views expressed by the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Last week at the United Nations, President Jalal Talabani said coalition troops should remain in the country until Iraqi security forces are "capable of putting an end to terrorism and maintaining stability and security."

"Only then will it be possible to talk about a timetable for the withdrawal of the multinational forces from Iraq," he said.

Recent polls show many Iraqis in nearly every part of the country disagree.

"Majorities in all regions except Kurdish areas state that the Multi-National Force-Iraq (MNF-I) should withdraw immediately, adding that the MNF-I's departure would make them feel safer and decrease violence," concludes the 20-page State Department report, titled "Iraq Civil War Fears Remain High in Sunni and Mixed Areas." The report was based on 1,870 face-to-face interviews conducted from late June to early July.
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The director of another Iraqi polling firm, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared being killed, said public opinion surveys he conducted last month showed that 80 percent of Iraqis who were questioned favored an immediate withdrawal. Eight-five percent of Sunnis in that poll supported an immediate withdrawal, a number virtually unchanged in the past two years, except for the two months after the Samarra bombing, when the number fell to about 70 percent, the poll director said.

"The very fact that there is such a low support for American forces has to do with the American failure to do basically anything for Iraqis," said Mansoor Moaddel, a professor of sociology at Eastern Michigan University, who commissioned a poll earlier this year that also found widespread support for a withdrawal. "It's part of human nature. People respect authority and power. But the U.S. so far has been unable to establish any real authority."

Interviews with two dozen Baghdad residents in recent weeks suggest one central cause for Iraqi distrust of the Americans: They believe the U.S. government has deliberately thrown the country into chaos.

United Press International reports:

Iraq poll: U.S. troops departure is asset

BAGHDAD, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- About 90 percent of Iraqis feel the situation in the country was better before the U.S.-led invasion than it is today, according to a new ICRSS poll.

The findings emerged after house-to-house interviews conducted by the ICRSS during the third week of November. About 2,000 people from Baghdad (82 percent), Anbar and Najaf (9 percent each) were randomly asked to express their opinion. Twenty-four percent of the respondents were women.

Only five percent of those questioned said Iraq is better today than in 2003. While 89 percent of the people said the political situation had deteriorated, 79 percent saw a decline in the economic situation; 12 percent felt things had improved and 9 percent said there was no change. Predictably, 95 percent felt the security situation was worse than before.

The results of the poll conducted by the Iraq Centre for Research and Strategic Studies and shared with the Gulf Research Center, has a margin error of +/- 3.1 percent.

The ICRSS is an independent institution "which attempts to spread the conscious necessity of realizing basic freedoms, consolidating democratic values and foundations of civil society."

Nearly 50 percent of the respondents identified themselves only as "Muslims"; 34 percent were Shiites and 14 percent, Sunnis.

© Copyright 2007 United Press International, Inc.

 

[dahunan]

I still think we really screwed up the whole middle east with this invasion..

Altered the balance of "peaceful" religious power

 

[International Machine Consortium]

I've seen polls of Iraqis indicating they support attacks on U.S. troops and interests....
So?
We need to GET OUT and GET OUT NOW. /thedonald

 

[conjur]

The Murdoch Sunday Times publishes a poll with results that seem like they were culled from some neocon's wet dream? What's the detail behind this poll? Was it 5000 people living in the Green Zone? Or perhaps 5000 Iraqis no longer living in Iraq?

 

[yllus]

There's little doubt that the majority of Iraqis don't like having a foreign power patrol their streets and occasionally impart violence on their countrymen, but they're also realistic about the situation. The U.S. is absolutely needed at this juncture as a stabilizing force (even as effective/ineffective as it is today) in the country.

While a number of candidates for your 2008 election may talk the talk about leaving Iraq, I doubt they'll follow through after assuming the office of the President. I can certainly understand the average American's disgust with the entire situation though; why should it be America and America alone who has to play cleanup after the world's petty dictators? Another unfortunate truth about the world is that there's no other country suited to task that role, and frankly considering the strategic necessity that oil is, I still consider it better than Saddam had been dealt with today then two decades hence.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49
Iraqi's show more optimism then most Americans.

Hardly a utopia, many problems to deal with, but an interesting poll.

< Jack Nicholson voice >

You want polls? You can't handle the polls.

< /Jack Nicholson voice >

The Washington Post reports:

Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show

Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.

In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.

Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country.

The stark assessments, among the most negative attitudes toward U.S.-led forces since they invaded Iraq in 2003, contrast sharply with views expressed by the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Last week at the United Nations, President Jalal Talabani said coalition troops should remain in the country until Iraqi security forces are "capable of putting an end to terrorism and maintaining stability and security."

"Only then will it be possible to talk about a timetable for the withdrawal of the multinational forces from Iraq," he said.

Recent polls show many Iraqis in nearly every part of the country disagree.

"Majorities in all regions except Kurdish areas state that the Multi-National Force-Iraq (MNF-I) should withdraw immediately, adding that the MNF-I's departure would make them feel safer and decrease violence," concludes the 20-page State Department report, titled "Iraq Civil War Fears Remain High in Sunni and Mixed Areas." The report was based on 1,870 face-to-face interviews conducted from late June to early July.
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The director of another Iraqi polling firm, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared being killed, said public opinion surveys he conducted last month showed that 80 percent of Iraqis who were questioned favored an immediate withdrawal. Eight-five percent of Sunnis in that poll supported an immediate withdrawal, a number virtually unchanged in the past two years, except for the two months after the Samarra bombing, when the number fell to about 70 percent, the poll director said.

"The very fact that there is such a low support for American forces has to do with the American failure to do basically anything for Iraqis," said Mansoor Moaddel, a professor of sociology at Eastern Michigan University, who commissioned a poll earlier this year that also found widespread support for a withdrawal. "It's part of human nature. People respect authority and power. But the U.S. so far has been unable to establish any real authority."

Interviews with two dozen Baghdad residents in recent weeks suggest one central cause for Iraqi distrust of the Americans: They believe the U.S. government has deliberately thrown the country into chaos.

United Press International reports:

Iraq poll: U.S. troops departure is asset

BAGHDAD, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- About 90 percent of Iraqis feel the situation in the country was better before the U.S.-led invasion than it is today, according to a new ICRSS poll.

The findings emerged after house-to-house interviews conducted by the ICRSS during the third week of November. About 2,000 people from Baghdad (82 percent), Anbar and Najaf (9 percent each) were randomly asked to express their opinion. Twenty-four percent of the respondents were women.

Only five percent of those questioned said Iraq is better today than in 2003. While 89 percent of the people said the political situation had deteriorated, 79 percent saw a decline in the economic situation; 12 percent felt things had improved and 9 percent said there was no change. Predictably, 95 percent felt the security situation was worse than before.

The results of the poll conducted by the Iraq Centre for Research and Strategic Studies and shared with the Gulf Research Center, has a margin error of +/- 3.1 percent.

The ICRSS is an independent institution "which attempts to spread the conscious necessity of realizing basic freedoms, consolidating democratic values and foundations of civil society."

Nearly 50 percent of the respondents identified themselves only as "Muslims"; 34 percent were Shiites and 14 percent, Sunnis.

© Copyright 2007 United Press International, Inc.

Your the one I count on to find the black cloud for the silver lining. Keep up the good work.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I am suspicious of good news from Iraq. I fear that everything is manipulation. If this is true then great. But what people want or believe to be true isn't necessarily what will be. Our leaving may be good or it could turn out to be a disaster. I do not know how we can really know what is best.

appears to be genuine if you read up on it,
But yes difficult to know what is best is certainly an accurate statement

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: conjur
The Murdoch Sunday Times publishes a poll with results that seem like they were culled from some neocon's wet dream? What's the detail behind this poll? Was it 5000 people living in the Green Zone? Or perhaps 5000 Iraqis no longer living in Iraq?

I believe the details were given on the link. Must I spoon feed you?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Ive seen similar polls and articles through the last 2 years.

But you have to remember uninformed Americans, who have a greater knowldge of war, world matters, and specifically Iraq, have decided we need to pull out ASAP. Who cares what the soldiers think, or what the anti-war crowd does to troop morale...we know better. /nod

Soldiers don't make policy, they execute it. Their opinion by definition should not be taken into account.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Harvey
You want polls? You can't handle the polls.

< /Jack Nicholson voice >

The Washington Post reports:

Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show

Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.
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Your the one I count on to find the black cloud for the silver lining. Keep up the good work.

And you're one of those Bushwhacko sycophants I can count on to post mindless drivel without vetting his own stories to make sure they mean anything. :roll:

That poll in your op wasn't any silver lining, and that "black cloud" you're crying about was just a cold shot of reality. If you're not prepared do your homework and support your own posts, you deserve whatever shots others take at them in reply.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Ive seen similar polls and articles through the last 2 years.

But you have to remember uninformed Americans, who have a greater knowldge of war, world matters, and specifically Iraq, have decided we need to pull out ASAP. Who cares what the soldiers think, or what the anti-war crowd does to troop morale...we know better. /nod

GUYS IF YOU SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE WAR THE TROOPS WILL GET SAD AND WHEN THE TROOPS ARE SAD THEY GET SHOT MORE.

 

[Jaskalas]

The Iraqis have a more positive view than we do? They need to watch our media, then we can proscribe them Prozac, charge them extra and recoup the cost of the war.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The Iraqis have a more positive view than we do? They need to watch our media, then we can proscribe them Prozac, charge them extra and recoup the cost of the war.

And you guys need to put a hold on this intellectual masturbation you have going on and actually, you know, read the article. Because it doesn't say that Iraqis are positive about the continued occupation of their country, it says they are positive about the future of their country in general...specifically, after we leave. So far as I know, the anti-war crowd in this country simply thinks it's time to leave, not that Iraq is going to be destroyed no matter what we do. And on that point the majority of Iraqis seem to agree with us.

If anything, it's you jokers who are out in left field. You think that we need to stay or Iraq will turn into a terrorist state, a view that is not consistent with Iraqis own views or reality.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The Iraqis have a more positive view than we do? They need to watch our media, then we can proscribe them Prozac, charge them extra and recoup the cost of the war.

And you guys need to put a hold on this intellectual masturbation you have going on and actually, you know, read the article. Because it doesn't say that Iraqis are positive about the continued occupation of their country, it says they are positive about the future of their country in general...specifically, after we leave. So far as I know, the anti-war crowd in this country simply thinks it's time to leave, not that Iraq is going to be destroyed no matter what we do. And on that point the majority of Iraqis seem to agree with us.

If anything, it's you jokers who are out in left field. You think that we need to stay or Iraq will turn into a terrorist state, a view that is not consistent with Iraqis own views or reality.

Owned.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Harvey
You want polls? You can't handle the polls.

< /Jack Nicholson voice >

The Washington Post reports:

Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show

Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.
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(snipped to save space)

Your the one I count on to find the black cloud for the silver lining. Keep up the good work.

And you're one of those Bushwhacko sycophants I can count on to post mindless drivel without vetting his own stories to make sure they mean anything. :roll:

That poll in your op wasn't any silver lining, and that "black cloud" you're crying about was just a cold shot of reality. If you're not prepared do your homework and support your own posts, you deserve whatever shots others take at them in reply.

Your hatred for bush simply invests you so heavily in defeat that you simply spew out the same crap every post.../end discussion

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The Iraqis have a more positive view than we do? They need to watch our media, then we can proscribe them Prozac, charge them extra and recoup the cost of the war.

And you guys need to put a hold on this intellectual masturbation you have going on and actually, you know, read the article. Because it doesn't say that Iraqis are positive about the continued occupation of their country, it says they are positive about the future of their country in general...specifically, after we leave. So far as I know, the anti-war crowd in this country simply thinks it's time to leave, not that Iraq is going to be destroyed no matter what we do. And on that point the majority of Iraqis seem to agree with us.

If anything, it's you jokers who are out in left field. You think that we need to stay or Iraq will turn into a terrorist state, a view that is not consistent with Iraqis own views or reality.

I?m sure they?ll be happy once the soldiers leave and they?re free to commit genocide.