Iraqis Shocked by Beheading, Despair Over Violence

[etech]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
ONE person died in a war zone, they killed a POW swiftly and painlessly, how is this any worse than what the US soldiers have done?

It's their goddamn country, don't like it? Get out!

I've been busy and may have missed it. Where is the proof that it was Iraqi's that did this act?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer
ONE person died in a war zone, they killed a POW swiftly and painlessly, how is this any worse than what the US soldiers have done?

It's their goddamn country, don't like it? Get out!

I'm sure getting your head chopped off with a knife is painless.. You really should be banned.

the beheading portion of that video was probably the longest 30 second execution some people have seen. it certainly was not PAINLESS to the victim, probably more painful to the people who have seen it. but it was really over before it started. I can think of a lot of worse ways to die, and a hell of alot more pain. Why are we arguing about this anyway?

 

[LTC8K6]

Fanatical muslims brutally murder a jew on camera and people are surprised?

Just business as usual.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Originally posted by: smashp
Iraqis Shocked by Beheading, Despair Over Violence

Actually, the headline reads "Arabs Divided Over Beheading of American in Iraq" when I click on your link.

 

[Moonbeam]

"Why are we arguing about this anyway?"

As I said in my last post:

The torture, the beheading as revenge for torture, the insults on this and that side of the issue are all designed to humiliate the other, the one who is felt to be an enemy. Why do we do this? It is because we already feel like the worst in the world and somebody just reminded us of what we have deeply buried. Each of us feels like the worst in the world and instinctively knows that everyone else does too. Our greatest vulnerability is this already certain belief. All it takes to set it off is someone to bring insult to the protective identification we have covered that deep wound with. Nationalism, team, family, group, race, religion, whatever form of identification with the good we hold as precious illusion that we aren't nobodies, if that is insulted we kill. We would rather kill others than remember how bad we feel. Humanity is insane, living in an upside down world.

You will never ever cure your inner pain by making the other feel worse. But we will try till the end of time. Only he who knows himself has a chance of escape.

You're watching the continued efforts with Klixxer as the target. He reminded us Americans how we use American patriotism to hide how bad we feel. America is great so I am too. Insult America and you insult me and remind me how bad I feel. And hating you feels so good I just refuse to see.

 

[jagec]

why is it always 100% one way or 100% the other with you guys?

1) What the US did to the prisoners was awful
2) The beheading was awful

I hope the perpetrators in both cases get what's coming to them.

 

[Genx87]

Ignoring Klixxer who is an obvious ignorant.
I think it is obvious the Iraqi people are growing tired of the insurgents just like the American military is.

This is a good sign IMO because it shows the avg Iraqi is not a total nutjob moron who will kill Americans because a moron Cleric tells him his god says so.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
WTH is wrong with people?

The murder of Nick Berg is disgraceful and inexcusable. He was a completely innocent civilian as far as we know, and it appears he was tortured (the reports indicate his body suffered various trauma before his death) and ruthlessly murdered. This killing can't be justified on the basis of the serious misdeeds of GIs at Abu Ghraib (if it proves to be true that they occurred, which it appears is the case).

That said, people have the right to express themselves here without being personally attacked, threatened, or discriminated against on the basis of their ethnicities, nationalities, faiths, genders, etc. All too often, people here resort to these kinds of attacks out of an inability to respond to the merits of others' posts, or simply being too lazy to do so. I know I have resorted to this on rare occasions, but we should all at least try to behave like dignified adults and treat one another with respect.

Agreed. Some of the posters here are just astounding in their vitriol and ignorance.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: jagec
why is it always 100% one way or 100% the other with you guys?

1) What the US did to the prisoners was awful
2) The beheading was awful

I hope the perpetrators in both cases get what's coming to them.

Agreed.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: jagec
why is it always 100% one way or 100% the other with you guys?

1) What the US did to the prisoners was awful
2) The beheading was awful

I hope the perpetrators in both cases get what's coming to them.

Agreed.

I agree with that too.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: jagec
why is it always 100% one way or 100% the other with you guys?

1) What the US did to the prisoners was awful
2) The beheading was awful

I hope the perpetrators in both cases get what's coming to them.

Agreed.

I agree with that too.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ignoring Klixxer who is an obvious ignorant.
I think it is obvious the Iraqi people are growing tired of the insurgents just like the American military is.

This is a good sign IMO because it shows the avg Iraqi is not a total nutjob moron who will kill Americans because a moron Cleric tells him his god says so.

The US are sending soldiers to Iraq and Bush has claimed that god told him to do so.

You think you are so much better, but if you were invaded, you would do whatever it takes to get them out, would you not?

The only thing that really bugs me about posters here is that most of you have no idea of what it is like to be in the middle of a war zone, none of you could imagine doing any of what is being done, it's like a five year old not wanting to EVER kiss a girl.

This war has been so poorly planned and executed that it surprises me that these are the first incidents of this kind that are known.

I know you want Hooyah and shock and awe and all Iraqis loves you and sh!t, but that ain't the real world, THIS is the real world, they don't want you there, they don't love you, they aren't going to thank you for bombing the sh!t out of their country, invading it and killing the ones who opposed you, somhow this surprises you?

 

[Genesys]

well, good, now lets see some Iraqi outrage directed towords the insurgents, and then some Iraqi action to kick them out. If they want America out faster, they should try helping to resolve the situation, not make it worse.

 

[lozina]

Quite a disturbing story just to read about it, I can't imagine watching the video. I wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. It is truly a tragedy done by savage barbarians and my heart goes out to his family.

Another thing that disturbs me is the reaction of many Americans, including some senators. The same people- the same exact people- who have pointed out that the prisoner abuse cases dony by American GIs are not representative of the entire military, are trying to paint the Iraqis in general with the images of these terrorists who have performed this brutal act. Let's please be consistent, if you're gonna claim all the Iraqi insurgents are barbaric head-chopping savages, then you should also consider all American soldiers are sadistic cruel torturers. Othewise, if you're a bit more reasonable as I am, you'll acknowledge the GI's who were invovled in the abuse are not any more representative of the army as these terrorists are of the Iraqi people.

So stop trying to use this case as a justification for any wrong doing done on the Iraqis

 

[Klixxer]

You are joking? Who rules Iraq? Which Iraqi force is going to kick them out?

The US rules Iraq right now and will for at least a decade, the Iraqis won't like that and things like this are going to happen for a long time.

Liberating, winning hearts and minds, WMD's, terrorist links. what is the excuse for the invasion this week?

 

[dahunan]

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[dahunan]

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[dahunan]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
ONE person died in a war zone, they killed a POW swiftly and painlessly, how is this any worse than what the US soldiers have done?

It's their goddamn country, don't like it? Get out!

Because this guy was innocent, he was not a prisoner of war he was a hostage. He was only in Iraq to help rebuild infastructure, not fight the war. And they videotaped it and posted it on the internet to show off his killing.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040510/D82FRB680.html
GENEVA (AP) - A Red Cross report disclosed Monday said coalition intelligence officers estimated that 70-90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested by mistake


AND HERE IS WHAT THE US DID WITH THE PEOPLE ARRESTED MISTAKENLY

-- Breaking chemical lights and pouring phosphoric liquid on detainees;

-- Beating detainees with a broom handle and chair;

-- Threatening male detainees with rape;

-- Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps with a broomstick."

-- A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee; THIS IS CALLED RAPE

-- Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: lozina
Quite a disturbing story just to read about it, I can't imagine watching the video. I wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. It is truly a tragedy done by savage barbarians and my heart goes out to his family.

Another thing that disturbs me is the reaction of many Americans, including some senators. The same people- the same exact people- who have pointed out that the prisoner abuse cases dony by American GIs are not representative of the entire military, are trying to paint the Iraqis in general with the images of these terrorists who have performed this brutal act. Let's please be consistent, if you're gonna claim all the Iraqi insurgents are barbaric head-chopping savages, then you should also consider all American soldiers are sadistic cruel torturers. Othewise, if you're a bit more reasonable as I am, you'll acknowledge the GI's who were invovled in the abuse are not any more representative of the army as these terrorists are of the Iraqi people.

So stop trying to use this case as a justification for any wrong doing done on the Iraqis

Exactly. Not all Iraqis are like those, and not all Americans are like those who commited the crimes against prisoners.

 

[LTC8K6]

And they will be prosecuted for it.

See the difference?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genesys
well, good, now lets see some Iraqi outrage directed towords the insurgents, and then some Iraqi action to kick them out. If they want America out faster, they should try helping to resolve the situation, not make it worse.

Like this?

Shiite Colleagues Call For Al-Sadr To Back Down

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
And they will be prosecuted for it.

See the difference?

Which ones? Rumsfeld knew this was going on..


Do you think these few national guardsmen and women did all of this on their own? Nobody told them to or helped them

If you think EVERYONE involved will be prosecuted then you are naive.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: lozina
Quite a disturbing story just to read about it, I can't imagine watching the video. I wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. It is truly a tragedy done by savage barbarians and my heart goes out to his family.

Another thing that disturbs me is the reaction of many Americans, including some senators. The same people- the same exact people- who have pointed out that the prisoner abuse cases dony by American GIs are not representative of the entire military, are trying to paint the Iraqis in general with the images of these terrorists who have performed this brutal act. Let's please be consistent, if you're gonna claim all the Iraqi insurgents are barbaric head-chopping savages, then you should also consider all American soldiers are sadistic cruel torturers. Othewise, if you're a bit more reasonable as I am, you'll acknowledge the GI's who were invovled in the abuse are not any more representative of the army as these terrorists are of the Iraqi people.

So stop trying to use this case as a justification for any wrong doing done on the Iraqis

Exactly. Not all Iraqis are like those, and not all Americans are like those who commited the crimes against prisoners.

AND... I will bet you that the terrorist pigs who killed him are NOT even Iraqis...

 

[virtueixi]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Klixxer
ONE person died in a war zone, they killed a POW swiftly and painlessly, how is this any worse than what the US soldiers have done?

It's their goddamn country, don't like it? Get out!

Because this guy was innocent, he was not a prisoner of war he was a hostage. He was only in Iraq to help rebuild infastructure, not fight the war. And they videotaped it and posted it on the internet to show off his killing.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040510/D82FRB680.html
GENEVA (AP) - A Red Cross report disclosed Monday said coalition intelligence officers estimated that 70-90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested by mistake


AND HERE IS WHAT THE US DID WITH THE PEOPLE ARRESTED MISTAKENLY

-- Breaking chemical lights and pouring phosphoric liquid on detainees;

-- Beating detainees with a broom handle and chair;

-- Threatening male detainees with rape;

-- Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps with a broomstick."

-- A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee; THIS IS CALLED RAPE

-- Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

I couldn't find that in that article, what was your source? Although I did find this:

"The report described how male prisoners were forced to parade around in women's underwear."

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: lozina
Quite a disturbing story just to read about it, I can't imagine watching the video. I wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks. It is truly a tragedy done by savage barbarians and my heart goes out to his family.

Another thing that disturbs me is the reaction of many Americans, including some senators. The same people- the same exact people- who have pointed out that the prisoner abuse cases dony by American GIs are not representative of the entire military, are trying to paint the Iraqis in general with the images of these terrorists who have performed this brutal act. Let's please be consistent, if you're gonna claim all the Iraqi insurgents are barbaric head-chopping savages, then you should also consider all American soldiers are sadistic cruel torturers. Othewise, if you're a bit more reasonable as I am, you'll acknowledge the GI's who were invovled in the abuse are not any more representative of the army as these terrorists are of the Iraqi people.

So stop trying to use this case as a justification for any wrong doing done on the Iraqis

Exactly. Not all Iraqis are like those, and not all Americans are like those who commited the crimes against prisoners.

AND... I will bet you that the terrorist pigs who killed him are NOT even Iraqis...

after watching the tape I can tell you that these guys were Jordanians, well the person in the middle giving his speech is. Oh BTW I speak arabic!

*** Hizbollah condemmed the beheading, from Al-Manar TV saw it an hour ago from their news bulletin***. They didn't have the statement on their web site yet. First Islamic militant group to condem the killing very nice