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raildogg

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TNTman
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

It appears the Iraqis really do want democracy in their country. Despite some violence they are voting in large numbers. Lets hope this is the beginning of a long lasting democracy in Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis danced and clapped with joy Sunday as they voted in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying insurgents who launched eight suicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations. The attacks killed at least 36 people.

An Iraqi election official said that 72 percent of eligible Iraqi voters had turned out so far nationwide. The official, Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission, offered no overall figures of the actual number of Iraqis who have voted to back up the claim.

Off course they want democracy, who said they don't?

People have questioned if the Iraqis wanted democracy bad enough to overcome the insurgents. This is a good sign. Are you saying the degree of participation by Iraqis in this election was not in doubt? This report is good news, no matter how you spin it.

Dude relax, I'm Iraqi and I support the election. I know my own people and most them do support the election the proof is todays vote.

Then you of all people should understand the neccesity of not undermining such positive news when there's an americon public out there that is deeply divided as to whether the cost is worth it to be over there. It may be obvious to you they want democracy, but a quick look around this forum shows that's not the case for everyone.

The dissenters here have nothing to do with reality or anything remotely associated with it. They just want something besides the liberal agenda to fail.

Kudos to Iraquis! Looks like they will build a strong nation!


Wow CNN reports are glowing showing huge lines women on one side men on the other, and some came late after walking for hours. Spunds like some determined Iraqis to me.
"Fear of insurgents not enough to stop me from voting"



I'm not amazed just amazed that CNN has tried to just report news. Bravo CNN!

Why are there separate lines for males and females?

Just be glad they are voting. Guess some people always look at a glass half empty. In many parts of the country, the women outnumber the men in voting, so please don't even try to imply this election doesn't include women. I saw in Kurdish area's many young women with jeans and very western style clothing, they are definately not supressed up there, and they have not been for a long while.

Yes, and thanks to CNN for doing a great job, as always. Christian Amanpour, Nic Robertson, Michael Holmes (who survived a shootout last year in which his 2 CNN colleagues didn't) and many other CNN international correspondents.
 

conehead433

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Did Bush win? He deserves to be president of Iraq. He definitely hasn't done anything for the country he's supposed to be president of.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: tss4
People have questioned if the Iraqis wanted democracy bad enough to overcome the insurgents.

That's never really been an issue except for neocons who try to paint the issue that way so that if insurgents are successful it's the Iraqis' fault. The election doesn't have much to do with most insurgency and anti-americanism. Sure, some insurgents are anti everything the US does including the election but I'm guessing not everyone who votes wants the US to stick around or even to have been around in the first place. Basically anti-Americanism in middle east is not the same thing as anti-democracy (in fact history shows the opposite is true).
 

Aimster

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Iraqi people aren't scared. They've been living in fear their entire lives. This isn't new for them. 8 million people voted. WOW.
 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Wow I just read this blog of an Iraqi
The people have won.
We would love to share what we did this morning with the whole world, we can't describe the feelings we've been through but we'll try to share as much as we can with you.
We woke up this morning one hour before the alarm clock was supposed to ring. As a matter of fact, we barely slept at all last night out of excitement and anxiety.

The first thing we saw this morning on our way to the voting center was a convoy of the Iraqi army vehicles patrolling the street, the soldiers were cheering the people marching towards their voting centers then one of the soldiers chanted "vote for Allawi" less than a hundred meters, the convoy stopped and the captain in charge yelled at the soldier who did that and said:
"You're a member of the military institution and you have absolutely no right to support any political entity or interfere with the people's choice. This is Iraq's army, not Allawi's".
This was a good sign indeed and the young officer's statement was met by applause from the people on the street.
The streets were completely empty except for the Iraqi and the coalition forces ' patrols, and of course kids seizing the chance to play soccer!


We had all kinds of feelings in our minds while we were on our way to the ballot box except one feeling that never came to us, that was fear.
We could smell pride in the atmosphere this morning; everyone we saw was holding up his blue tipped finger with broad smiles on the faces while walking out of the center.


I couldn't think of a scene more beautiful than that.
From the early hours of the morning, People filled the street to the voting center in my neighborhood; youths, elders, women and men. Women's turn out was higher by the way. And by 11 am the boxes where I live were almost full!
Anyone watching that scene cannot but have tears of happiness, hope, pride and triumph.

The sounds of explosions and gunfire were clearly heard, some were far away but some were close enough to make the windows of the center shake but no one seemed to care about them as if the people weren't hearing these sounds at all.
I saw an old woman that I thought would get startled by the loud sound of a close explosion but she didn't seem to care, instead she was busy verifying her voting station's location as she found out that her name wasn't listed in this center.

How can I describe it!? Take my eyes and look through them my friends, you have supported the day of Iraq's freedom and today, Iraqis have proven that they're not going to disappoint their country or their friends.

Is there a bigger victory than this? I believe not.

I still recall the first group of comments that came to this blog 14 months ago when many of the readers asked "The Model?"? "Model for what?"
Take a look today to meet the model of courage and human desire to achieve freedom; people walking across the fire to cast their votes.

Could any model match this one!? Could any bravery match the Iraqis'!?
Let the remaining tyrants of the world learn the lesson from this day.

The media is reporting only explosions and suicide attacks that killed and injured many Iraqis s far but this hasn't stopped the Iraqis from marching towards their voting stations with more determination. Iraqis have truly raced the sun.

I walked forward to my station, cast my vote and then headed to the box, where I wanted to stand as long as I could, then I moved to mark my finger with ink, I dipped it deep as if I was poking the eyes of all the world's tyrants.
I put the paper in the box and with it, there were tears that I couldn't hold; I was trembling with joy and I felt like I wanted to hug the box but the supervisor smiled at me and said "brother, would you please move ahead, the people are waiting for their turn".

Yes brothers, proceed and fill the box!
These are stories that will be written on the brightest pages of history.

It was hard for us to leave the center but we were happy because we were sure that we will stand here in front of the box again and again and again.
Today, there's no voice louder than that of freedom.

No more confusion about what the people want, they have said their word and they said it loud and the world has got to respct and support the people's will.

God bless your brave steps sons of Iraq and God bless the defenders of freedom.

Aasha Al-Iraq?.Aasha Al-Iraq?.Aasha Al-Iraq.

Mohammed and Omar..
 

conehead433

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So the question is whether someone was elected who meets with the approval of the US gov't. If Saddam Hussein had been on the ballot he probably would have been re-elected.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TNTman
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

It appears the Iraqis really do want democracy in their country. Despite some violence they are voting in large numbers. Lets hope this is the beginning of a long lasting democracy in Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis danced and clapped with joy Sunday as they voted in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying insurgents who launched eight suicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations. The attacks killed at least 36 people.

An Iraqi election official said that 72 percent of eligible Iraqi voters had turned out so far nationwide. The official, Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission, offered no overall figures of the actual number of Iraqis who have voted to back up the claim.

Off course they want democracy, who said they don't?

People have questioned if the Iraqis wanted democracy bad enough to overcome the insurgents. This is a good sign. Are you saying the degree of participation by Iraqis in this election was not in doubt? This report is good news, no matter how you spin it.

Dude relax, I'm Iraqi and I support the election. I know my own people and most them do support the election the proof is todays vote.

Then you of all people should understand the neccesity of not undermining such positive news when there's an americon public out there that is deeply divided as to whether the cost is worth it to be over there. It may be obvious to you they want democracy, but a quick look around this forum shows that's not the case for everyone.

The dissenters here have nothing to do with reality or anything remotely associated with it. They just want something besides the liberal agenda to fail.

Kudos to Iraquis! Looks like they will build a strong nation!


Wow CNN reports are glowing showing huge lines women on one side men on the other, and some came late after walking for hours. Spunds like some determined Iraqis to me.
"Fear of insurgents not enough to stop me from voting"



I'm not amazed just amazed that CNN has tried to just report news. Bravo CNN!

Why are there separate lines for males and females?

Just be glad they are voting. Guess some people always look at a glass half empty. In many parts of the country, the women outnumber the men in voting, so please don't even try to imply this election doesn't include women. I saw in Kurdish area's many young women with jeans and very western style clothing, they are definately not supressed up there, and they have not been for a long while.

Yes, and thanks to CNN for doing a great job, as always. Christian Amanpour, Nic Robertson, Michael Holmes (who survived a shootout last year in which his 2 CNN colleagues didn't) and many other CNN international correspondents.

Damn, raildogg, it would've been easier to say, "I don't know."

 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Its part of the custom in that part of the world... women have seperate lines for everything. There is nothing wrong with that... nothing is being denied to anyone.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: aidanjm


Was under the impression women had greater freedom under Saddam than other predominently Muslim nations in the region. Why are they wearing hijabs, for that matter. Has there been some kind of religious crackdown in Iraq? Were there separate lines for men and women at the previous election (with Saddam only candidate on ballot) I wonder?

The problem is you assume the Hijab is inherently repressive. My mom never wore a Hijab in Iraq, only after a few years of living HERE in the USA~

So don't assume it is because the Hijab is repressive and males force their wives to wear them~ because that wouldn't be understanding the culture. I'm sure there are males who do and they are the stereotypical wifebeater, but to say that EVERY woman wears one against her will or to imply that is pretty ludicrous.


Shortly after the US invasion I read many articles about female professors, doctors, business-women in Iraq being menaced by gangs of violent, religious Iraqi men, who were demanding the women wear hijabs. These women had never worn hijabs in Saddam's era. While Saddam obviously had his own forms of brutality and repression, he wasn't particularly concerned about forcing the subjugation of women, and women were able to achieve success in areas like medicine, academia in Iraq (for example there were more female than male gynaecologists in Iraq at the time of the US invasion). Apparently the power vacuum left after Saddam was removed has allowed religious extremists in Iraq to frighten and intimidate women into wearing the hijab. I have read articles about female business women being shot at their place of business, as a warning to other female business women to return to more traditional endeavors (child rearing, sexually servicing their husbands, etc.)
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Wow I just read this blog of an Iraqi
The people have won.
We would love to share what we did this morning with the whole world, we can't describe the feelings we've been through but we'll try to share as much as we can with you.
We woke up this morning one hour before the alarm clock was supposed to ring. As a matter of fact, we barely slept at all last night out of excitement and anxiety.

I wonder if the insurgents will be somewhat chastened by this popular show of faith in democracy.
 

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Originally posted by: aidanjm

Why are there separate lines for males and females?

One of the reports I have seen showed a woman being searched by a femal officer. So women in the line searched by femal officers and men in the line searched by male officers seems to be plausible reason. Whether security checks is the only reason or they would have separate lines anyway I don't know. :)
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: ArneBjarne
Originally posted by: aidanjm

Why are there separate lines for males and females?

One of the reports I have seen showed a woman being searched by a femal officer. So women in the line searched by femal officers and men in the line searched by male officers seems to be plausible reason. Whether security checks is the only reason or they would have separate lines anyway I don't know. :)



ONe of the pictures I saw had the iraq police running a wand over a donkey. I wonder if their was a special line for donkeys:D
 

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Ballots, not bullets, are going to put the stake in the insurgency that won't die. With the election pulled off without much violence, the Iraqis are sending a message that 1) they aren't afraid of the insurgents 2) they want democratic government.

Without popular support, the insurgency won't last.

I didn't agree with the invasion, but maybe some lemonade will come of the lemons.

Originally posted by: tss4
Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

It appears the Iraqis really do want democracy in their country. Despite some violence they are voting in large numbers. Lets hope this is the beginning of a long lasting democracy in Iraq.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They have a greater turnout than we had. Of course they probably have better choices than we had.
:laugh:

More choices, too. Maybe they can give us a few tips on improving our democracy.
 

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TNTman
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

It appears the Iraqis really do want democracy in their country. Despite some violence they are voting in large numbers. Lets hope this is the beginning of a long lasting democracy in Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis danced and clapped with joy Sunday as they voted in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying insurgents who launched eight suicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations. The attacks killed at least 36 people.

An Iraqi election official said that 72 percent of eligible Iraqi voters had turned out so far nationwide. The official, Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission, offered no overall figures of the actual number of Iraqis who have voted to back up the claim.

Off course they want democracy, who said they don't?

People have questioned if the Iraqis wanted democracy bad enough to overcome the insurgents. This is a good sign. Are you saying the degree of participation by Iraqis in this election was not in doubt? This report is good news, no matter how you spin it.

Dude relax, I'm Iraqi and I support the election. I know my own people and most them do support the election the proof is todays vote.

Then you of all people should understand the neccesity of not undermining such positive news when there's an americon public out there that is deeply divided as to whether the cost is worth it to be over there. It may be obvious to you they want democracy, but a quick look around this forum shows that's not the case for everyone.

The dissenters here have nothing to do with reality or anything remotely associated with it. They just want something besides the liberal agenda to fail.

Kudos to Iraquis! Looks like they will build a strong nation!

Think again about who is going to build this "strong nation" . Nice strawman building, too. Not one liberal on this board ever said or implied they wanted the election to fail. How WAS is going to fail anyway Condor? Like no one was going to show up? Too bad these brave, brave people did not have the courage to do this THEMSELVES a long, long time ago. Remember while you repugs are high 5'ing each other like you actually won a prize, that a thousand+ Amercans died for this, show them some respect and put your partisan tripe on the back burner for one day.

The only way for these people to not have died in vane is for this election to work, for the IRAQI people to START STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES, and with our help and THEIR own police, security, etc, make these insurgants a distant memory. Then get our boys and girls the hell out of there.
rose.gif
for those who have fallen.

Liberals have done nothing but give the impression that they want this election to fail, this war to fail, and for America to fail. They are the most negative and miserable group of human beings that exist in the world today. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one truly positive and happy liberal. They want this election to fail because they want BUSH to fail. If Bush fails, then they're happy. They are so wrapped up in their own anger they don't care about the Iraqis. They really don't care about the soilders either. They continuously make statements thath demoralize the troops, continuously making statements about how we shouldn't get too excited about this election because it will fail, continuously make statements that the insurgents that BEHEAD people, and KILL THEMSELVES ALONG WITH OTHERS, are only a political opposition group that has rights just like the Iraqi people.

It is the liberals like you that say that the Iraqi people and soilders (I assume) will have died in vain if this election fails. B.S.! No one fighting for freedom has died in vain. They died for a cause they believe in, something you obviously don't respect or understand. You need to take a long look at yourself and ask yourself if anyone should have died for any of the rights you have in this life. Do you think that every battle that was fought for your rights was won right away? When you're fighting for something sometimes you have to get up again and again until freedom prevails. I can only assume you're a quitter. You're one of those people who just wants to give up and be able to say these people died in vain if this election doesn't work. Who are YOU to decide that these people died in vain? Who are YOU? A nobody. A nobody that is so miserable with your own life, you can't stand to see President Bush suceed, you can't stand to see the Iraqi people suceed, and you can't stand to hear that people like you are just as bad as the insurgents. The reason you can't stand sucess, is because your probably nothing but a big failure yourself.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TNTman
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

It appears the Iraqis really do want democracy in their country. Despite some violence they are voting in large numbers. Lets hope this is the beginning of a long lasting democracy in Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis danced and clapped with joy Sunday as they voted in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying insurgents who launched eight suicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations. The attacks killed at least 36 people.

An Iraqi election official said that 72 percent of eligible Iraqi voters had turned out so far nationwide. The official, Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission, offered no overall figures of the actual number of Iraqis who have voted to back up the claim.

Off course they want democracy, who said they don't?

People have questioned if the Iraqis wanted democracy bad enough to overcome the insurgents. This is a good sign. Are you saying the degree of participation by Iraqis in this election was not in doubt? This report is good news, no matter how you spin it.

Dude relax, I'm Iraqi and I support the election. I know my own people and most them do support the election the proof is todays vote.

Then you of all people should understand the neccesity of not undermining such positive news when there's an americon public out there that is deeply divided as to whether the cost is worth it to be over there. It may be obvious to you they want democracy, but a quick look around this forum shows that's not the case for everyone.

The dissenters here have nothing to do with reality or anything remotely associated with it. They just want something besides the liberal agenda to fail.

Kudos to Iraquis! Looks like they will build a strong nation!

Think again about who is going to build this "strong nation" . Nice strawman building, too. Not one liberal on this board ever said or implied they wanted the election to fail. How WAS is going to fail anyway Condor? Like no one was going to show up? Too bad these brave, brave people did not have the courage to do this THEMSELVES a long, long time ago. Remember while you repugs are high 5'ing each other like you actually won a prize, that a thousand+ Amercans died for this, show them some respect and put your partisan tripe on the back burner for one day.

The only way for these people to not have died in vane is for this election to work, for the IRAQI people to START STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES, and with our help and THEIR own police, security, etc, make these insurgants a distant memory. Then get our boys and girls the hell out of there.
rose.gif
for those who have fallen.

Liberals have done nothing but give the impression that they want this election to fail, this war to fail, and for America to fail. They are the most negative and miserable group of human beings that exist in the world today. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one truly positive and happy liberal. They want this election to fail because they want BUSH to fail. If Bush fails, then they're happy. They are so wrapped up in their own anger they don't care about the Iraqis. They really don't care about the soilders either. They continuously make statements thath demoralize the troops, continuously making statements about how we shouldn't get too excited about this election because it will fail, continuously make statements that the insurgents that BEHEAD people, and KILL THEMSELVES ALONG WITH OTHERS, are only a political opposition group that has rights just like the Iraqi people.

It is the liberals like you that say that the Iraqi people and soilders (I assume) will have died in vain if this election fails. B.S.! No one fighting for freedom has died in vain. They died for a cause they believe in, something you obviously don't respect or understand. You need to take a long look at yourself and ask yourself if anyone should have died for any of the rights you have in this life. Do you think that every battle that was fought for your rights was won right away? When you're fighting for something sometimes you have to get up again and again until freedom prevails. I can only assume you're a quitter. You're one of those people who just wants to give up and be able to say these people died in vain if this election doesn't work. Who are YOU to decide that these people died in vain? Who are YOU? A nobody. A nobody that is so miserable with your own life, you can't stand to see President Bush suceed, you can't stand to see the Iraqi people suceed, and you can't stand to hear that people like you are just as bad as the insurgents. The reason you can't stand sucess, is because your probably nothing but a big failure yourself.

Awesome job. Well said. :thumbsup:
 

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Settle down guys, remember what the great leader, John Kerry, said on Meet the Press today: "No one in the United States should try to overhype this election." :disgust:
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Michelle
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TNTman
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: tss4
Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

It appears the Iraqis really do want democracy in their country. Despite some violence they are voting in large numbers. Lets hope this is the beginning of a long lasting democracy in Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis danced and clapped with joy Sunday as they voted in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying insurgents who launched eight suicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations. The attacks killed at least 36 people.

An Iraqi election official said that 72 percent of eligible Iraqi voters had turned out so far nationwide. The official, Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission, offered no overall figures of the actual number of Iraqis who have voted to back up the claim.

Off course they want democracy, who said they don't?

People have questioned if the Iraqis wanted democracy bad enough to overcome the insurgents. This is a good sign. Are you saying the degree of participation by Iraqis in this election was not in doubt? This report is good news, no matter how you spin it.

Dude relax, I'm Iraqi and I support the election. I know my own people and most them do support the election the proof is todays vote.

Then you of all people should understand the neccesity of not undermining such positive news when there's an americon public out there that is deeply divided as to whether the cost is worth it to be over there. It may be obvious to you they want democracy, but a quick look around this forum shows that's not the case for everyone.

The dissenters here have nothing to do with reality or anything remotely associated with it. They just want something besides the liberal agenda to fail.

Kudos to Iraquis! Looks like they will build a strong nation!

Think again about who is going to build this "strong nation" . Nice strawman building, too. Not one liberal on this board ever said or implied they wanted the election to fail. How WAS is going to fail anyway Condor? Like no one was going to show up? Too bad these brave, brave people did not have the courage to do this THEMSELVES a long, long time ago. Remember while you repugs are high 5'ing each other like you actually won a prize, that a thousand+ Amercans died for this, show them some respect and put your partisan tripe on the back burner for one day.

The only way for these people to not have died in vane is for this election to work, for the IRAQI people to START STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES, and with our help and THEIR own police, security, etc, make these insurgants a distant memory. Then get our boys and girls the hell out of there.
rose.gif
for those who have fallen.

Liberals have done nothing but give the impression that they want this election to fail, this war to fail, and for America to fail. They are the most negative and miserable group of human beings that exist in the world today. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one truly positive and happy liberal. They want this election to fail because they want BUSH to fail. If Bush fails, then they're happy. They are so wrapped up in their own anger they don't care about the Iraqis. They really don't care about the soilders either. They continuously make statements thath demoralize the troops, continuously making statements about how we shouldn't get too excited about this election because it will fail, continuously make statements that the insurgents that BEHEAD people, and KILL THEMSELVES ALONG WITH OTHERS, are only a political opposition group that has rights just like the Iraqi people.

It is the liberals like you that say that the Iraqi people and soilders (I assume) will have died in vain if this election fails. B.S.! No one fighting for freedom has died in vain. They died for a cause they believe in, something you obviously don't respect or understand. You need to take a long look at yourself and ask yourself if anyone should have died for any of the rights you have in this life. Do you think that every battle that was fought for your rights was won right away? When you're fighting for something sometimes you have to get up again and again until freedom prevails. I can only assume you're a quitter. You're one of those people who just wants to give up and be able to say these people died in vain if this election doesn't work. Who are YOU to decide that these people died in vain? Who are YOU? A nobody. A nobody that is so miserable with your own life, you can't stand to see President Bush suceed, you can't stand to see the Iraqi people suceed, and you can't stand to hear that people like you are just as bad as the insurgents. The reason you can't stand sucess, is because your probably nothing but a big failure yourself.

So, of these two groups, who has killed more Iraqis?

1. The US.
2. The insurgents.

My problem is not with conservatives, but bloodthirsty asses who sell democracy at the point of a gun. I think both groups get off on the bloodletting. I believe nothing excites them so much as the thought of blowing up "terrorists" whether they are such or not. Collateral damage is a nice catch all phrase for a child leaning over a dead parent because your President wanted it to be.

It isn't democracy most of us oppose, but your patriotic fervor and you animalistic desire to convert or kill. I know why you are happy. It's because you are getting to murder, and don't even have to do it yourself.

At least have the courage to get up close and personal and stick the knife in yourself.