Iraqi's Defense Minister: Iran Is 'Number One Enemy'

[Alistar7]

Hazem Shaalan also accused Iran of backing the al-Qaida in Iraq terrorist group headed by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and said his country's opponents want "turbaned clerics to rule in Iraq."

Shaalan said Iraqi authorities obtained information about Iran's role in Iraqi's insurgency after last month's arrest of the leader of the Jaish Mohammed (Mohammed's Army) terrorist group during U.S.-led operations in Fallujah.

"When we arrested the commander of Jaish Mohammed we discovered that key to terrorism is in Iran, which this the number one enemy for Iraq," Shaalan told reporters in Baghdad.

On Nov. 15, Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said American forces detained Jaish Mohammed members, including the organization's leader, Moayad Ahmed Yasseen, also known as Abu Ahmed, during the military operation to uproot insurgents based in Fallujah, west of Baghdad.

Allawi has said the group was known to have cooperated with Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida and Saddam loyalists and has claimed responsibility for killing and beheading a number of Iraqis, Arabs and foreigners in Iraq.

The U.S. military has said in the past that Jaish Mohammed appears to be an umbrella group for former intelligence agents, army, security officials, and Baath Party members.

Shaalan accused Iranian and Syrian intelligence agents, plus operatives of deposed leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s security forces, of "cooperating with the al-Zarqawi group to run criminal operations in Iraq," adding that Syria and Iran was providing funds and training.





http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...;cid=540&ncid=1480

 

[arsbanned]

No, this is the U.S. saying this. Iraq = U.S. and as such has no legitimacy. Too f'ing bad if Iran is supporting terrorism. The U.S. should have known this would happen and taken the advice of the rest of the World and not attacked Iraq over some fabled weapons they don't have.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Lol

That's cute that they are labling Iran #1 when the US thought the same thing when they provided up to date WMDs to Iraq in the 80s to counter the threat of Iran invading Iraq.

It's like a bad comedy skit. Too bad tens of thousands are dying for the punch line.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
No, this is the U.S. saying this. Iraq = U.S. and as such has no legitimacy. Too f'ing bad if Iran is supporting terrorism. The U.S. should have known this would happen and taken the advice of the rest of the World and not attacked Iraq over some fabled weapons they don't have.

They don't have, where are they? You are at least aware of the still unaccounted for WMD, correct? Care to take a test? How many chemical warheads?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Aelius
Lol

That's cute that they are labling Iran #1 when the US thought the same thing when they provided up to date WMDs to Iraq in the 80s to counter the threat of Iran invading Iraq.

It's like a bad comedy skit. Too bad for years a thousand plus Iraqis died every month waiting for the humanitarian aid the UN was diverting to their own pocket.

fixed that for you...

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Aelius
Lol

That's cute that they are labling Iran #1 when the US thought the same thing when they provided up to date WMDs to Iraq in the 80s to counter the threat of Iran invading Iraq.

It's like a bad comedy skit. Too bad for years a thousand plus Iraqis died every month waiting for the humanitarian aid the UN was diverting to their own pocket.

fixed that for you...

No you spinned it into something Bush and Co. are pushing atm.

What I posted is simply history.

I don't give two sh!ts if you don't like what the US has done and feel the need to evade the issue by pointing a finger elsewhere. Tough.

It's very true, obviously, that "We learn from history that we learn nothing from history."

 

[Alistar7]

The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for. - Hans BLix


Sorry Aelius you posted REVISIONIST history, I posted factual history. If you can't stick to the facts take your ball and go home.....

 

[Alistar7]

Why do you feel the need to point the finger at the US or Bush for everything? You spin the blame off Saddamm, Iran and Syria all onto the US, lol, classic......

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for. - Hans BLix


Sorry Aelius you posted REVISIONIST history, I posted factual history. If you can't stick to the facts take your ball and go home.....

WTF?

How does that even remotely rebut what I said. You drink this morning or something?

Let me quote us from a previous thread to refresh your memory:

quote:

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist'***.


That's funny isnt it, when we all know they never existed or those that MIGHT have just vanished into thin air...
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What you call proof, we (as in those who actually spend more than 2 minutes skimming headlines) call naivety.

There was a fairly extensive report on why Saddam said and did what he did prior to the invasion. People like you automatically assume that the conflict was only with the US vs Iraq. Such short sighted thinking is what got the US into the war in the first place.

Iraq had a little problem, and still does to a degree, of the threat of invasion far before the US ever wanted to invade Iraq. That threat was, and is, Iran.

In fact the US helped Iraq get WMDs in the first place to avoid having Iraq invaded by Iran. Iran on the other hand never invaded. Not because it couldn't but because there was the threat of mutual annihilation with the threat of WMDs. This is a really old story and as the saying goes, "We learn from history that we learn nothing from history."

The threat of the US invading Iraq is actually a catch 22 and anyone with a sense of history knew this from the get go. It was utter hypocrisy to ask a leader, who the US handed WMDs to to prevent invasion, to give up WMDs by threatening them with invasion if they don't give it up.

Utterly insane.

Here we are happily trotting alone in utter ignorance to history and the actual reason why Saddam could never possibly admit he had no WMDs at all and why he tried to keep some and planed to make more later on.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Alistar7]

more revisionist spin, strike two.

Saddam agreed to accurately declare and produce either the WMD's themselves or proof of their destruction, he accepted that burden willingly and failed miserably. That burden was placed by the UN, not the US. The UN also was in charge of the sanctions which were designed and capable if adminstered without corrpution of preventing the needless death of perhaps a million innocent Iraqis.

 

[Alistar7]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...y=y&keyword1=dutch

Are those the WMD the US "supplied"?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
more revisionist spin, strike two.

Saddam agreed to accurately declare and produce either the WMD's themselves or proof of their destruction, he accepted that burden willingly and failed miserably. That burden was placed by the UN, not the US. The UN also was in charge of the sanctions which were designed and capable if adminstered without corrpution of preventing the needless death of perhaps a million innocent Iraqis.

You are refusing the accept history for what it is and instead spew this crap that doesn't even remotely refute what I said. You call history "revisionist". WTF is this?

History is either truth or a lie. You evade because history has you by the balls and there's nothing you can do about.

History judges people as well as nations. You can't escape history.

Nice try.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...y=y&keyword1=dutch

Are those the WMD the US "supplied"?

LOL

So they catch the guy doing the middle man job which points to nobody.

This of course automatically points a finger at Iraq. R i g h t.

Nice spin.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Wanted to clear something up.

A lot of nations provided Iraq and Iran with support against each other during the Iran/Iraq war including Russia, UK and France. This includes intelligence, bio/chem agents or their derivitive and how to instructions, as well as missile and computer technology which was then used in WMD R&D.

None of them provided ready to use WMDs. That's important to note because it would be too obvious.

Rather they provided the "means" by which Saddam was able to either reverse engineer and to make the changes required to turn the chemicals, nerve agents and bio agents provided to turn them into WMDs.

It is exactly like providing the schematic for a rifle, gun powder, sample casings, and intelligence on how to use it, which was done actively through the early and late 80s by the CIA.

This does not make the US or any of the other nations doing this innocent. It makes them smart in trying to cover their tracks by looking benign.

Republican, Democrat.. it doesn't matter what President sat they were all responsible one way or another by either support or staying silent knowing full well what Western nations as well as Russia did.

Now 20 years later it's easy to step up on a pedestal since people's memory and sense of history is so non-existent (thx education system) that an administration can get away with playing "White Knight".

Personally I think the whole group should be tried on crimes against humanity and put in prison forever. I don't belieave in the death sentence. It's a free ticket from punishment for their crimes.

 

[Babylon]

The Iraqi defense minister is an idiot that always accuse's iran for everything. C mon, maybe iran isn't really protecting it's borders between iraq, but it's not Iran who's sending terrorists in iraq. It's the damn sunnis wahabis from the Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia , jordan, syria, north africa, ... I believe Iran won't go after killing innocents in a shiites majority country...

 

[Aimster]

Arabs hate Persians. Arabs will go to any means to kill Persians.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Arabs hate Persians. Arabs will go to any means to kill Persians.

I'm sorry Aimster, but not all arabs hate Persians. The arabs you speak of are the Saddam supporters inthe arab world and the Sunni extremists.

 

[Babylon]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: Aimster
Arabs hate Persians. Arabs will go to any means to kill Persians.

I'm sorry Aimster, but not all arabs hate Persians. The arabs you speak of are the Saddam supporters inthe arab world and the Sunni extremists.

Exactly Megaworks your the man!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: Aimster
Arabs hate Persians. Arabs will go to any means to kill Persians.

I'm sorry Aimster, but not all arabs hate Persians. The arabs you speak of are the Saddam supporters inthe arab world and the Sunni extremists.

lol I was being sarcastic.

 

[Alistar7]

Aelius needs to reread what he said, and then recheck the facts one more time, take off the tin foil hat this time though bud.....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Alistar7
more revisionist spin, strike two.

Saddam agreed to accurately declare and produce either the WMD's themselves or proof of their destruction, he accepted that burden willingly and failed miserably. That burden was placed by the UN, not the US. The UN also was in charge of the sanctions which were designed and capable if adminstered without corrpution of preventing the needless death of perhaps a million innocent Iraqis.

You are refusing the accept history for what it is and instead spew this crap that doesn't even remotely refute what I said. You call history "revisionist". WTF is this?

History is either truth or a lie. You evade because history has you by the balls and there's nothing you can do about.

History judges people as well as nations. You can't escape history.

Nice try.

That "crap" is a rather simplistic but still factual breakdown of the sequence of events, care to provide anything that proves otherwise? Anything to back up YOUR claims or will you just continue to evade because reality has you by the balls.....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Alistar7
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...y=y&keyword1=dutch

Are those the WMD the US "supplied"?

LOL

So they catch the guy doing the middle man job which points to nobody.

This of course automatically points a finger at Iraq. R i g h t.

Nice spin.

It points to HIM and IRAQ, which is why he being TRIED in a COURT of LAW. Your spin sucks, this ones a no brainer, thought for sure you would at least get those......