Well, I"m sort of torn on that issue. On one hand we can say, screw them if the majority doesn't want freedom, let them figure it out on their own or die trying. But on the other hand (which is where I lean towards) even if there are say 30% of the civilians that want freedom from Saddam don't you think those innocent peopel are worth fighting for? Now I think is sucks that the US & the UK have to act as the world's police and try to help those people, but as a strong nation I think we have a responsibility & a moral obligation to help those that can't help themselves. Along with power comes responsibility whether or not you like it. Please at least think about the possibility before you just post a flame or a quick response.
Flavio, the question is f*cking irrelevant.
His people WANT him out of there. Period.
The reason they haven't been gushing with support is because the UN made us screw them over once already. Not only that, but the Fedayeen blends in with the rest of them, threatening to execute them and their loved ones if they speak out against him. This isn't theory, it's fact.
They're even afraid to tell their relatives calling from America why they can't leave Baghdad. It's because if they do, they'll be shot in the back by the Fedayeen. They live in constant fear that their phone conversations, their homes, their places of work, that all of them are being constantly monitored.
These people are waiting until we PROVE to them that we're here for good, that they'll no longer be living under the thumb of a meglomaniacal tyrant, and THEN we'll have their full support. Already, cities that are nearly secure are beginning to show signs of supporting the troops.
The majority want freedom. Period. And they f*cking deserve it.
His people WANT him out of there. Period.
The reason they haven't been gushing with support is because the UN made us screw them over once already. Not only that, but the Fedayeen blends in with the rest of them, threatening to execute them and their loved ones if they speak out against him. This isn't theory, it's fact.
They're even afraid to tell their relatives calling from America why they can't leave Baghdad. It's because if they do, they'll be shot in the back by the Fedayeen. They live in constant fear that their phone conversations, their homes, their places of work, that all of them are being constantly monitored.
These people are waiting until we PROVE to them that we're here for good, that they'll no longer be living under the thumb of a meglomaniacal tyrant, and THEN we'll have their full support. Already, cities that are nearly secure are beginning to show signs of supporting the troops.
The majority want freedom. Period. And they f*cking deserve it.
And last I checked, LESS than 20% of the population of colonies actually GAVE a shat about the Revolution. But if those brave men didn't kick the old Brits out, we wouldn't be living in the most prosperous and free nation in the world right now.
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You don't know any of that. It looks like for the most part the last thing they want is to be under American control to me.
You can believe that they all will love us for invading their country if it makes you feel better though, but don't act like it's the truth.
You're wasting your breath. Some people just refuse to see the thousands celebrating the Americans in Najaf as proof that the Iraqi people are desperate to be rid of Saddam.
The only reason more are not celebrating is because they still fear the possibility Saddam is still alive and will come seeking them out and kill them and their families for welcoming the troops.
Granted, some are apprehensive as they are unsure of the intentions of the U.S. and Britain but once a UN/Iraqi-based government is in place, their fears will abate.
I wonder what it's like to be so sad and close-minded. Must be a horrific life, living, trapped inside oneself.
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I live in Dearborn, MI, the hometown of the largest concentration of Iraqis and I believe the second largest concentration of Arabic people in the US.
There have been a number of articles in the local paper dating back to the "Axis of Evil" speech confirming local support for the removal of Saddam.
As for who would be supported in his stead, I don't recall any of the articles speaking about this.
There have been a number of articles in the local paper dating back to the "Axis of Evil" speech confirming local support for the removal of Saddam.
As for who would be supported in his stead, I don't recall any of the articles speaking about this.
wow... a bunch of neo-conservative rednecks are unfamiliar with the idea of a person having an Iraqi father (emigrate to Iran) and marry an Iranian Mother.
I guess since most of you seem to be the type to marry your cousins and whatnot -- this idea must be foreign -- disturbing eh?
anyway... what i meant with Iraqis supporting Saddam is -- THey rather see Saddam in power -- than another puppet regime...
The news papers may be asking a bunch of - liquor store - owning Arab/Iraqi-Chaldeans who know about as much about politics
to get away with tax fraud. Other than that -- their support for America means nothing. Anyone that knows sh!t about
your track record - by that - i mean your eagerness to carry out the White MANS' Burdern --"arrogant nation" -- knows that you seek to
do nothing but place a Karzai regime, as you did in Afghanistan. How much more liberated is Afghanistan today than it was under
the taliban? I would like first hand accounts, and not CNN postings please.
Machfive: I don't need to answer a single one of your questions. Had i the intention of falsely proving anything to you
i could simply research it and post. My personal life is just that -- none of your business
I guess since most of you seem to be the type to marry your cousins and whatnot -- this idea must be foreign -- disturbing eh?
anyway... what i meant with Iraqis supporting Saddam is -- THey rather see Saddam in power -- than another puppet regime...
The news papers may be asking a bunch of - liquor store - owning Arab/Iraqi-Chaldeans who know about as much about politics
to get away with tax fraud. Other than that -- their support for America means nothing. Anyone that knows sh!t about
your track record - by that - i mean your eagerness to carry out the White MANS' Burdern --"arrogant nation" -- knows that you seek to
do nothing but place a Karzai regime, as you did in Afghanistan. How much more liberated is Afghanistan today than it was under
the taliban? I would like first hand accounts, and not CNN postings please.
Machfive: I don't need to answer a single one of your questions. Had i the intention of falsely proving anything to you
i could simply research it and post. My personal life is just that -- none of your business
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From that article:
I personally believe the war itself is the wrong approach. There were and are alternatives to it that were not looked into.
Ok...what are they? Cat must have his tongue.
In general, the Iraqi people are going to fight the Americans and British. We are told that Fedayeen Saddam or the regime's militias are the only people fighting, or that Iraqis are fighting because the regime somehow has a gun to their head.
I don't believe this. The resistance we are seeing will continue after Saddam Hussein is gone, to try to get rid of the occupation forces, the sanctions, and to ruin the long-term plans the Americans have for Iraq.
Well...sorry she doesn't believe this. Apparently she's not seen the reports and the video showing the coalition troops being greeted warmly in towns throughout Iraq. And the help being given by regular citizens to point out Iraqi troop locations, info on POWs, etc.
Sounds like this woman has an axe to grind.
That article did nothing to prove your point.
Lots of generalizations and name-calling going on there. You are proving yourself to be a bit of a troll and someone who just will not listen to any type of rebuttal.
You probably think Gore won the election, too.
And that's a valid point. I've posted before that many Iraqis express concern and some even a fear of what America's intentions are. That's I hope that Bush hands over control to a UN/Iraqi collaboration once things stabilize after Baghdad falls. I don't want the U.S. leading anything to govern Iraq.
Too bad overthrowing Hitler came at the cost of millions of dead Russians and the installation of oppressive regimes throughout Eastern Europe.
The only thing that changed for much of Europe was the brand of totalitarianism -- out went national socialism, in came communism. Didn't make a jot of difference for the people living there.
But in any case, the idea seems absurd to me. It would be one thing to remove a leader who didn't have the support of his people. But if he does... what the hell are you liberating them from?
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