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Iraqi Raises Questions on al-Zarqawi Death

Iraqi Raises Questions on al-Zarqawi Death
By PATRICK QUINN, Associated Press Writer
3 hours ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. officials have altered their account of the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, saying he was alive and partly conscious after bombs destroyed his hideout, and an Iraqi man raised fresh questions about the events surrounding the end of Iraq's most-wanted militant.

The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, told AP Television News on Friday that he saw U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the victim's nose.

When asked about the man's allegations, military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said he would check. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Jeffrey Gordon said Saturday he was unaware of the claim.

"We frequently receive allegations which prove to be unsubstantiated," Gordon said.

The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. He said the man was found lying next to an irrigation canal.

"He was still alive. We put him in the ambulance, but when the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead.

A dishdasha is a traditional Arab robe.

A similar account in The Washington Post identified him as Ahmed Mohammed.

No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account of a man resembling al-Zarqawi being beaten. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying.

On Thursday, the U.S. military said al-Zarqawi was killed outright when two 500-pound bombs were dropped on his hideout.

But on Friday, the military said al-Zarqawi survived the bombing, which tore a huge crater in the date palm forest where the house was nestled just outside Baqouba, northwest of Baghdad.

Iraqi police reached the scene first and found the 39-year-old al-Zarqawi alive.

"He mumbled something, but it was indistinguishable and it was very short," Caldwell, a spokesman for U.S.-led forces in Iraq, said Friday.

Iraqi police pulled al-Zarqawi from the flattened home and placed him on a makeshift stretcher. U.S. troops arrived, saw that al-Zarqawi was conscious and tried to provide medical treatment, the spokesman said.

"He obviously had some kind of visual recognition of who they were because he attempted to roll off the stretcher, as I am told, and get away, realizing it was the U.S. military," Caldwell told Pentagon reporters via videoconference from Baghdad.

Al-Zarqawi "attempted to, sort of, turn away off the stretcher," he said. "Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he'd received from this airstrike."

Caldwell has not mentioned any other physical interaction between U.S. troops and al-Zarqawi.

So much blood covered al-Zarqawi's body that U.S. forces cleaned him up before taking photographs.

"Despite the fact that this person actually had no regard for human life, we were not going to treat him in the same manner," Caldwell said.

AP footage of the date palm grove showed debris _ concrete blocks, shoes and sandals _ scattered over a wide area around a large crater. Trees around the blast site were ripped from their roots.

The airstrike killed two other men, two women and girl between the ages of 5 and 7 who were in the house, but only al-Zarqawi and his spiritual adviser have been positively identified, he said.

From a helicopter hovering above, a wide swath of destruction could be seen. The debris around the site included a women's slip and other pieces of clothing. Charred dresses, torn blankets, thin sponge mattresses and pillows were in the crater itself.

The debris of concrete blocks and twisted metal reinforcement bars included a pillow with a floral pattern, sandals and a foam mattress with the covering torn off. A cooling unit and part of a washing machine also were in the area.

Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said they had a patrol in the area already.

"We didn't know it was Zarqawi, we just knew it was a time-sensitive target," he said at the scene early Saturday. "We suspected who it was."

Caldwell also said experts told him it is not unheard of for people to survive a blast of that magnitude. He said he did not know if al-Zarqawi was inside or outside the house when the bombs struck.

"Well, what we had found, as with anything, first reports are not always fully accurate as we continue the debriefings. But we were not aware yesterday that, in fact, Zarqawi was alive when U.S. forces arrived on the site," Caldwell said.

His recounting of the aftermath of the airstrike could not be independently verified. The Iraqi government confirmed only that Iraqi forces were first on the scene, followed by the Americans.

For three years, al-Zarqawi orchestrated horrific acts of violence guided by his extremist vision of jihad, or holy war _ first against the U.S. soldiers he considered occupiers of Arab lands, then against the Shiites he considered infidels.

 
I don't know, I don't have a hard time believing that Zarqawi died as a result of two 500 pound bombs being dropped on his house. I'm frankly surprised he wasn't killed instantly.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
I wish the son of a bitch had suffered more before his death.

Can't you just be glad that he's dead and won't be causing any more harm to anybody else? There is something wrong with you guys...
 
If true this is actually good news....that fvcker needed to die a horrible death knowing he was going to die and knowing WHO was killing him.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: BigJ
I wish the son of a bitch had suffered more before his death.

Can't you just be glad that he's dead and won't be causing any more harm to anybody else? There is something wrong with you guys...

No, I can't.

A swift death is too merciful for scum of the Earth like him.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: BigJ
I wish the son of a bitch had suffered more before his death.

Can't you just be glad that he's dead and won't be causing any more harm to anybody else? There is something wrong with you guys...

Not after what the fvcker did to so many other people. Pain and agony are the cleansers of the guilty.
 
They should have cut off his head while video taping it, after driving some rail spikes through his nuts and feed him his own fingers for a last meal. They could do whatever they wanted to him and I wouldn't care in the least. Murdering coward prick needed to die.
 
Unfortunately, this will really have no effect on much of anything. There are so many others who will just fill in the void taken up by him being killed.

Even if we got Osama, there's tons of other radicals who would fill his shoes...err..sandals as well...
 
I actually read the article and it seems that the iraqi dude thought they were killing him by pounding on his chest, when they maybe were administering cpr. They could have been "pounding" on his chest:

"He was still alive. We put him in the ambulance, but when the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead.

A dishdasha is a traditional Arab robe.

A similar account in The Washington Post identified him as Ahmed Mohammed.

No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account of a man resembling al-Zarqawi being beaten. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying.

On Thursday, the U.S. military said al-Zarqawi was killed outright when two 500-pound bombs were dropped on his hideout.

But on Friday, the military said al-Zarqawi survived the bombing, which tore a huge crater in the date palm forest where the house was nestled just outside Baqouba, northwest of Baghdad.

Iraqi police reached the scene first and found the 39-year-old al-Zarqawi alive.

"He mumbled something, but it was indistinguishable and it was very short," Caldwell, a spokesman for U.S.-led forces in Iraq, said Friday.

Iraqi police pulled al-Zarqawi from the flattened home and placed him on a makeshift stretcher. U.S. troops arrived, saw that al-Zarqawi was conscious and tried to provide medical treatment, the spokesman said.

"He obviously had some kind of visual recognition of who they were because he attempted to roll off the stretcher, as I am told, and get away, realizing it was the U.S. military," Caldwell told Pentagon reporters via videoconference from Baghdad.

Al-Zarqawi "attempted to, sort of, turn away off the stretcher," he said. "Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he'd received from this airstrike."

Caldwell has not mentioned any other physical interaction between U.S. troops and al-Zarqawi.

So much blood covered al-Zarqawi's body that U.S. forces cleaned him up before taking photographs.

"Despite the fact that this person actually had no regard for human life, we were not going to treat him in the same manner," Caldwell said.
 
Originally posted by: Kilgor
They should have cut off his head while video taping it, after driving some rail spikes through his nuts and feed him his own fingers for a last meal. They could do whatever they wanted to him and I wouldn't care in the least. Murdering coward prick needed to die.

I see, and we're better than the terrorists because...we only do things like that to people we really don't like...? Not too much of a difference if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: BigJ
I wish the son of a bitch had suffered more before his death.

Can't you just be glad that he's dead and won't be causing any more harm to anybody else? There is something wrong with you guys...

Not after what the fvcker did to so many other people. Pain and agony are the cleansers of the guilty.

Like I said...

I think his victims would rather we spend our time and energy actually preventing such things in the future, rather than spending all our time and energy on figuring out elaborate ways to exact revenge.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Kilgor
They should have cut off his head while video taping it, after driving some rail spikes through his nuts and feed him his own fingers for a last meal. They could do whatever they wanted to him and I wouldn't care in the least. Murdering coward prick needed to die.

I see, and we're better than the terrorists because...we only do things like that to people we really don't like...? Not too much of a difference if you ask me.

It's more like an eye for an eye. If you are going to do this to us, we will return it. It happens to be a good deterrent.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Kilgor
They should have cut off his head while video taping it, after driving some rail spikes through his nuts and feed him his own fingers for a last meal. They could do whatever they wanted to him and I wouldn't care in the least. Murdering coward prick needed to die.

I see, and we're better than the terrorists because...we only do things like that to people we really don't like...? Not too much of a difference if you ask me.

Nice flamebait. If you can't see the difference between targeting and murdering civilians, including non-combatants like Nick, versus murdering a wanted killer responsible for countless deaths, then that's your problem.
 
Originally posted by: DainBramaged

It's more like an eye for an eye. If you are going to do this to us, we will return it. It happens to be a good deterrent.

I'm not so sure. All these radicals are willing to die, and they think when they do they will enter paradise, so I'm not so sure in this case it would make much of a deterrent at all...

Just imo...
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: BigJ
I wish the son of a bitch had suffered more before his death.

Can't you just be glad that he's dead and won't be causing any more harm to anybody else? There is something wrong with you guys...

Not after what the fvcker did to so many other people. Pain and agony are the cleansers of the guilty.

Like I said...

I think his victims would rather we spend our time and energy actually preventing such things in the future, rather than spending all our time and energy on figuring out elaborate ways to exact revenge.

Maybe there is something wrong with me. But ya know, when my friend, who was a Navy Corpsman implanted with the Marines, tells me stories about some of the soldiers he's had to treat, and those that he couldn't, maybe I do get a little irrational.
 
Originally posted by: Kilgor
They should have cut off his head while video taping it, after driving some rail spikes through his nuts and feed him his own fingers for a last meal. They could do whatever they wanted to him and I wouldn't care in the least. Murdering coward prick needed to die.


I feel much the same. But are you holding back a bit?

Tell us how you really feel 😉


...Galvanized
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: BigJ
I wish the son of a bitch had suffered more before his death.

Can't you just be glad that he's dead and won't be causing any more harm to anybody else? There is something wrong with you guys...

Not after what the fvcker did to so many other people. Pain and agony are the cleansers of the guilty.

Like I said...

I think his victims would rather we spend our time and energy actually preventing such things in the future, rather than spending all our time and energy on figuring out elaborate ways to exact revenge.


i don't know. if i had some terrorist bastard tie my ass up and cut my head off, i would've tried staying around to haunt his ass.
 
I seriously doubt they did what this guy said they did. They were restraining him to a stretcher.

Capturing terrorist leader alive > Killing Terrorist Leader. He could have supplied tons of intelligence in picking up more cells. Plus hanging him after a trial could have been a holiday for national unity. Most iraqis hated him by the end.
 
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