Steeplerot
Lifer
Here's a clue: banning anything does exactly the opposite of the desired result.
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Iraqi militants using children as part of their arsenal
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Here's a clue: banning anything does exactly the opposite of the desired result.
blackangst1
Lifer
wow...have you all been struck with amnesia?
Anyone remember Vietnam? Korea? In both cases children were used to kill American soldiers. Why is everyone so up in arms about this? Yes, its a tradgedy, but NO it's nothing new. And I despise the media saying this is a "new" tactic to stir up the sheeple.
Have you all forgotten the phrase "All is fair in love and war"? War is ugly.
Anyone remember Vietnam? Korea? In both cases children were used to kill American soldiers. Why is everyone so up in arms about this? Yes, its a tradgedy, but NO it's nothing new. And I despise the media saying this is a "new" tactic to stir up the sheeple.
Have you all forgotten the phrase "All is fair in love and war"? War is ugly.
palehorse
Lifer
I can answer that fairly quickly: it all depends on the specific source of study for every individual adherent to a particular faith. In other words, it's too damn easy for twisted religious teachers to twist the religious book of their choosing. They can then twist the minds of their followers just enough so that said followers rush out and commit twisted acts of insane violence.
The same has been true for the majority of the religions we see throughout history. It just so happens, though, that most religions have been able to stamp out this problem in recent centuries; whereas Islam can't seem to get a handle on the violent fanacism that is twisting their message from within.
Hence the reason most violent fanatics, today, just so happen to be Muslim. It's enough of a trend to at least leave Islam in the mix as we analyze the situation and attempt to come up with some sort of solution... Dismissing Islam as a primary factor in the violence would be very ignorant and detrimental to discovering a solution.
From our discussions Mango, you have to know by now that I do NOT believe that Islam is to blame for the entire problem, but you must also know enough to admit that it is certainly PART of the problem.
there are too many lost souls looking for an end to all of their suffering; and, sadly, there are currently too many twisted bastards willing to twist Islam and use those lost individuals as tools in their war against the West.
Bah, you need to pay more attention. Nobody has been making that argument...except maybe you righties. See, every time one of us "lefties" complains about torture, one of you guys whips out the old argument that at least our treatment of detainees is better than what the terrorists would have done. If anybody is making the comparison, it you folks.
Steeplerot
Lifer
And many people asked me to come back to to counter you wingnuts endless bullcrap and bush ass kissing, so yeah, my point still stands.
Steeplerot
Lifer
So wow, then maybe we shouldn't invade someone else land then ya think?
Steeplerot
Lifer
Comparing a voluntary resource war based off of lies and a struggle for survival of democracy worldwide is what you would call a big fat strawman. 😉
imported_dna
Golden Member
Steeplerot
Lifer
I am sure some Israeli shill site has some insightful propaganda, too bad it is encoded in wmp and just gives an error.
It was never explicit (unless my mind has gone blank) - always implicit, so I wanted to be sure 😉 In that regards we agree, especially when you say:
Is a wrong version of Islam being taught by whackos? Yes. Is this version easy to "dispel" of from a theological POV? Pretty simple
What makes me worry on why it sticks (virulent version of Islam) is simply that region of the world is GENERALLY largely messed up when it comes to the economy and when it comes to basic freedoms. A LOT of that is because of these (literally) pitiful governments. With massive unemployment rates, with crapper economies, with political leadership ready to ram a ram up your arse if you say ANYTHING remotely against them....the whacko in the corner who says its the "west's fault" will start to sound pretty attractive; and that government will encourage that simply because hey - when the real fault is on country A, but the whacko says " it is the US's fault" it makes it seem as if country A's leadership isn't at fault. It is like a cycle that feeds on itself.
See personally I blame very little on the "west"....or so I try to appear as such 😉 We don't cause the misery of the average person in the middle east - only idiots will sit there talking about "we arabs are the victims" because they don't want to admit their leadership failed, but by supporting these governments we have a situation where the messed up leadership strengthens itself and can continue to oppress the people even if they choose to "rise" against the leadership.
Lets assume for just a minute that the US was truly honorable in its actions in Iraq and wanted to instill a democracy with real freedom for the people - a type of freedom that was never experienced under their nation states or ottomon's - do you think for any minute that Syria, Iran, Turkey, Jordan and the Sauds would actually be INTERESTED in that? The Sauds are an absolute monarchy - and anything beyond their own version of islam (which they don't hvae to follow of course) is practically banned. The Turks care for a United Iraq only insofar they are interested in keeping the Kurds down - real freedom and democracy would pose a problem because too much "dangerous thinking" would filter to their own Kurds. Syria itself IS a dictatorship, and Jordan is a self proclaimed "kingdom" that never existed before where the clear majority of its population is dirt poor. There is very little incentive for ANY of these countries to see a Democractic Iraq; but there is PLENTY incentive of having an Iraq that sucks donkey balls and is mired in prolonged conflict....and I wonder what the situation is right now?
So how can we claim that these countries are our allies and provide them assistance while we get stabbed in the back?
Often times when I talk of using an even handed approach in the Middle East, most likely many jump to the conclusion that I talk only about the Palestinians and Israel...that we favor Israel too much. That isn't the case though - I'm talking about flipping off those countries with governments that clearly don't benefit their own countries. That doesn't mean we invade- but it means we stop SUPPORTING them. Let us watch how long they last when their unpopular regime has no means to control their population, and we are funding grassroots movements to get rid of those countries.
I don't know if such an extreme version of Islam that would make Prophet Mohammed turn in his grave would be eradicated, but a real even handed approach would make the whacko in the corner seem just that...a whacko who few listen to and relegate them to the position of extremist christian groups here.
But unless we stop making the situation sour, I cannot see any of these fvcked up issues being dealt with. We can't muscle things the way we want it with our military - people will simply resist.
And of course I understand the difficulties in doing this - Saudi Arabia only provides a small portion of our oil, but its a portion that we cannot replace. That makes it all the more difficult.
But maintaining the status quo is equally disastrous, and news such as CHILDREN being used in the gruesome tactics shows simply how a war of muscle cannot be sustained
:thumbsup: Indeed, and they don't realize that a war against the "west" (however we define that) seems pretty retarded, especially when many of their fellow Muslims who realize how sh**ty the situation is over there choose to live over here simply because while the governments here are not perfect....there is an actual economy where we can be productive individuals as commanded by God and where we have the freedom to follow what we believe.
I don't know, I pay pretty close attention and I haven't heard that argument being used yet. I've certainly heard lefties express displeasure at some of our actions, but as far as "we are no better than our enemies"? I don't know about that...and let's face it, conservatives are hardly the most impartial people to ask when it comes to judging who "hates America".
Jaskalas
Lifer
http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_mar2007.htm#b210307
More direct meaning in this video, there?s no need for me to insinuate that the kid is trained to suicide and kill ? it?s all directly displayed here.
Tell me guys, how do we reason with that indoctrination from age three on?
More direct meaning in this video, there?s no need for me to insinuate that the kid is trained to suicide and kill ? it?s all directly displayed here.
Tell me guys, how do we reason with that indoctrination from age three on?
Yeah, I am sure Israel and the west military/geopolitical actions got nothing to do with all those hatred among Palestinian and the extremist group like Hamas. Those Muslims got nothing better to do than training their kids to kill themselves just so they can go to heaven and sleep with virgins.
imported_dna
Golden Member
Too bad you're lying through your teeth about getting an error, but this isn't the first time I've see people use this line in a lame attempt to discredit a reference.
Steeplerot
Lifer
I Am not installing the wmp 11 or whatever it wants to watch some Israeli crap, if I wanted propaganda I would turn on faux news.
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