Iraqi citizens defeating attacks from AQ

[Specop 007]

Betchya wont hear about this in the mainstream media. Naturalyl we couldnt have any good news come out of Iraq, it would undermine the Lefts constant campaign of selling the idea that Iraq has been a dismal failure.

So while we wont see any good news on TV, that doesnt mean good news doesnt come out.

It looks like the people of Iraq are themselves standing up to fight Al Qaeda. Doesnt exactly jive with the ideas and "news" our media wants us to believe though.



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Sons of Iraq repel second attack in Salah ad-Din province

TIKRIT, Iraq ? The homes of several Sons of Iraq members were attacked by al-Qaeda fighters, near the town of Ishaki in the Salah ad-Din province June 11,

The SOI members successfully defended their homes in the ensuing firefight, which left four enemy fighters dead and three SOI injured.

Three suicide vests laden with explosives, and a vehicle laden with explosives were found on the scene and later destroyed by explosive ordnance disposal technicians.

This is the second time in two weeks the SOI in the Salah ad-Din province were attacked and successfully repelled deliberate attacks by enemy criminals.

On May 29, SoI near Owja killed nine enemy fighters who attempted to overrun an SOI checkpoint by detonating a suicide vest and attacking with small arms fire.

?Al-Qaeda in Iraq are becoming more and more desperate in their attempts to discourage a burgeoning Sons of Iraq movement here in the Salah ad-Din province,? said Lt. Col. Thomas Hauerwas, a spokesman for the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division. ?The willingness of the Sons of Iraq to fight the enemy toe to toe, demonstrates their resolve to expel AQI from this province.?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Some will stated that this was planted

 

[jpeyton]

Great, sounds like they got it under control. Time to pull out.

 

[blackangst1]

This is a bullshit report. AQ doesnt exist-it was created by Bush&Co.

 

[techs]

Election coming up?
Time for some "How great things are going in Iraq" propaganda posts.
It's amazing anyone would still believe that cr*p.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
This is a bullshit report. AQ doesnt exist-it was created by Bush&Co.

I thought it was created by Halliburton?!?!

Oh wait, that was the weather machine! Right right

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: techs
Election coming up?
Time for some "How great things are going in Iraq" propaganda posts.
It's amazing anyone would still believe that cr*p.

We're making steadfast progress.

 

[cliftonite]

Does this mean we can leave?

 

[bamacre]

This has been going on for some time now. Nothing really new.

The vast majority of people in the ME, or rather the entire world, reject radical Islam and Al Qaida. No one really wants anything to do with them. And those that fear "the spread of radical islam" are loony. AQ has been kicked out of countries before they even became Al Qaida.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Great, sounds like they got it under control. Time to pull out.

Originally posted by: cliftonite
Does this mean we can leave?

Mission Accomplished (again)

We won! yay, let's bring 'em home and eat some cake.

 

[magomago]

so basically...the group that got into iraq cause we fucked things up....

i'm glad for those citizens, but i think its ridiculous for us to say "Look they are fighting off what we helped to unleash! How great"

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: magomago
so basically...the group that got into iraq cause we fucked things up....

i'm glad for those citizens, but i think its ridiculous for us to say "Look they are fighting off what we helped to unleash! How great"

I guess it would be better if nothing changed and we were bogged down indefinably since that would be better justifications for your feelings? It amazes me how ideologically polar this forums is (myself included) in that most of us will *never* admit something is happening that does not fit into our ideas or ideals of what should happen. (Oh the Iraq's are standing up for themselves? Well they wouldn't even have too if we were not there!").

 

[Pandaren]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Betchya wont hear about this in the mainstream media.

I don't watch the MSM anymore. NPR is a much better alternative to the major networks. Anyways, I've heard a lot about this on NPR. Basically, many Iraqis realize that Al Queda are foreign terrorists who offer them no future. Al Queda will be no more sucessful in bending Iraq to its will than the US.

In the end, nationalism always prevails. I am confident that the Iraqis will be able to secure their country with their own strength.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Betchya wont hear about this in the mainstream media. Naturalyl we couldnt have any good news come out of Iraq, it would undermine the Lefts constant campaign of selling the idea that Iraq has been a dismal failure.

So while we wont see any good news on TV, that doesnt mean good news doesnt come out.

It looks like the people of Iraq are themselves standing up to fight Al Qaeda. Doesnt exactly jive with the ideas and "news" our media wants us to believe though.

That's right! You are the underdog! Fighting the good fight! Exposing the truth!

:thumbsdown:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Betchya wont hear about this in the mainstream media. Naturalyl we couldnt have any good news come out of Iraq, it would undermine the Lefts constant campaign of selling the idea that Iraq has been a dismal failure.

So while we wont see any good news on TV, that doesnt mean good news doesnt come out.

It looks like the people of Iraq are themselves standing up to fight Al Qaeda. Doesnt exactly jive with the ideas and "news" our media wants us to believe though.

That's right! You are the underdog! Fighting the good fight! Exposing the truth!

:thumbsdown:

Oh nice, good cliche words instead of actually proving him wrong.

Heres one for ya

"Your the man now dog"

 

[Craig234]

The real fallacy here is how the right brainwashes each other by saying what 'the left ' says that's wrong, and then patting themselves on the back that they're against the left.

(The left can do the same thing, like when a few say, 'Republicans want people starving to death in the streets, so aren't we great to oppose Republicans'.)

What the left has actually been saying that I see: that Al Queda was sometimes accepted when it seemed to help the insurgency, but that in the longer term the Iraqi people will turn on them, and that it's already happening a lot, as Iraqis increasingly see Al Queda as harming average Iraqis, not just the US forces.

Hey, not so different thant this report. So no, you're not justified in patting yourselves on the back for the left having said something else. Of course, I'm sure you can find a few exceptions saying something on any side of the issue.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Great, sounds like they got it under control. Time to pull out.

No, we can't leave until we relieve Saddam Hussein of his weapons of mass destruction.

Oops, I mean, we can't leave until we remove Saddam Hussein -- someone who has shown -- from power.

Oops, I mean...

Come to think of it, when can we leave? Isn't that the context in which all Iraq stories should be framed?

Within the much larger frame, of course, of in regard to American safety, are our troops and resources being used as efficiently as possible?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Betchya wont hear about this in the mainstream media. Naturalyl we couldnt have any good news come out of Iraq, it would undermine the Lefts constant campaign of selling the idea that Iraq has been a dismal failure.

So while we wont see any good news on TV, that doesnt mean good news doesnt come out.

It looks like the people of Iraq are themselves standing up to fight Al Qaeda. Doesnt exactly jive with the ideas and "news" our media wants us to believe though.

That's right! You are the underdog! Fighting the good fight! Exposing the truth!

:thumbsdown:

Oh nice, good cliche words instead of actually proving him wrong.

Heres one for ya

"Your the man now dog"

His entire post was a cliche and yet you're criticizing me?!? Besides, if you never wanted the U.S. to be in Iraq in the first place, it hardly matters whether there's good news or bad, it all sucks equally.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Betchya wont hear about this in the mainstream media. Naturalyl we couldnt have any good news come out of Iraq, it would undermine the Lefts constant campaign of selling the idea that Iraq has been a dismal failure.

So while we wont see any good news on TV, that doesnt mean good news doesnt come out.

It looks like the people of Iraq are themselves standing up to fight Al Qaeda. Doesnt exactly jive with the ideas and "news" our media wants us to believe though.

That's right! You are the underdog! Fighting the good fight! Exposing the truth!

:thumbsdown:

Oh nice, good cliche words instead of actually proving him wrong.

Heres one for ya

"Your the man now dog"

His entire post was a cliche and yet you're criticizing me?!? Besides, if you never wanted the U.S. to be in Iraq in the first place, it hardly matters whether there's good news or bad, it all sucks equally.

Actually his spot was right on though it could have been worded as "Since good news doesn't sell, we usually won't see it in the media which is probably why our entire view of reality is seen through a lens of negativity because that is how we have been told to see reality."

As of right now it doesn't matter whether we wanted to be in Iraq or not since we are there, as such if you are still living in 2002 debating whether we should go to Iraq or not it is time to come back to reality. The point now is how to leave when doing the least amount of damage possible, the OP's story is a nice example of something that once it catches on while make our wish of leaving much easier, since if these people didn't fight back we would have seen

OP Title: Iraq still in shambles, AQ kill 40 in village instead. (Yeah we sure are beating terrorism!)

Get my point now?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: magomago
so basically...the group that got into iraq cause we fucked things up....

i'm glad for those citizens, but i think its ridiculous for us to say "Look they are fighting off what we helped to unleash! How great"

I guess it would be better if nothing changed and we were bogged down indefinably since that would be better justifications for your feelings? It amazes me how ideologically polar this forums is (myself included) in that most of us will *never* admit something is happening that does not fit into our ideas or ideals of what should happen. (Oh the Iraq's are standing up for themselves? Well they wouldn't even have too if we were not there!").

Notice the bold part. I'm actually glad that they are kicking the asses of bastards trying to divide Iraqis. That is not lip service, that is my real thoughts.s

That said I still find this good news ironic because WE enabled Al Qaeda to enter Iraq. Trying to justify this war on the basis that they are fighting Al Qaeda when they came in as a result of OUR actions is the sad part.

That said I have complete belief that even if we pulled out, Iraqis would rid themselves of these parasites. He tried to pass this story off that if AQ is getting its assed kicked by Iraqis, it is due to American presence.

Good developments happen in Iraq for sure, some due to US presence and some not due to it.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: magomago
so basically...the group that got into iraq cause we fucked things up....

i'm glad for those citizens, but i think its ridiculous for us to say "Look they are fighting off what we helped to unleash! How great"

I guess it would be better if nothing changed and we were bogged down indefinably since that would be better justifications for your feelings? It amazes me how ideologically polar this forums is (myself included) in that most of us will *never* admit something is happening that does not fit into our ideas or ideals of what should happen. (Oh the Iraq's are standing up for themselves? Well they wouldn't even have too if we were not there!").

Notice the bold part. I'm actually glad that they are kicking the asses of bastards trying to divide Iraqis. That is not lip service, that is my real thoughts.s

That said I still find this good news ironic because WE enabled Al Qaeda to enter Iraq. Trying to justify this war on the basis that they are fighting Al Qaeda when they came in as a result of OUR actions is the sad part.

That said I have complete belief that even if we pulled out, Iraqis would rid themselves of these parasites. He tried to pass this story off that if AQ is getting its assed kicked by Iraqis, it is due to American presence.

Good developments happen in Iraq for sure, some due to US presence and some not due to it.

Ah, I guess we just read the OP in different ways if we both stand the same on the subject. I read it as him giving nothing but praise to the Iraq people when cutting down the news organizations for not reporting there own driven progress.