Iraq was ordered to pay Kuwait after the 1990 invasion.

[DaaQ]

I'd still like Daaq to explain how in the Spring of 1990 , he decided to not graduate because he had a vision of Iraq invading Kuwait months before the actual invasion and decided he wanted to graduate in the Spring of 1991 to avoid a non-existent draft.

@DaaQ , were you drinking when you posted that?

Yes but that's besides the point.

I remember the Cold War well, I remember the night Iraq invaded Kuwait, I also had to register draft papers way back when. At least in Michigan you had to register, back then. My brother is 5 years older than me, I remember the incessant phone calls from recruiters.

I did not graduate in spring of 90 by 1.5 credits. I just stopped going to morning classes. Alot if it was laziness. I admit I was an idiot then.

Anyway, I started getting the recruiting calls, and one morning I told them I wasn't able to graduate. That stopped the calls.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait, I remember being fearful, at that age I might be drafted, because I was eligible to be drafted, because I have a brother, and one of us could carry on the name. What I remember from the time, that in the prior draft, Vietnam, that was a reason to be ineligible. I may be wrong of my recollection, that is possible.

Again I did say I was an IDIOT, because I think I would have done well in the military, and probably would have a better life now, if for that.

But it is what it is.

Now I didn't say that "everyone feared of being drafted" I said "I feared being drafted" I would've been 18 in Feb of 91.

 

[pauldun170]

Yes but that's besides the point.

I remember the Cold War well, I remember the night Iraq invaded Kuwait, I also had to register draft papers way back when. At least in Michigan you had to register, back then. My brother is 5 years older than me, I remember the incessant phone calls from recruiters.

I did not graduate in spring of 90 by 1.5 credits. I just stopped going to morning classes. Alot if it was laziness. I admit I was an idiot then.

Anyway, I started getting the recruiting calls, and one morning I told them I wasn't able to graduate. That stopped the calls.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait, I remember being fearful, at that age I might be drafted, because I was eligible to be drafted, because I have a brother, and one of us could carry on the name. What I remember from the time, that in the prior draft, Vietnam, that was a reason to be ineligible. I may be wrong of my recollection, that is possible.

Again I did say I was an IDIOT, because I think I would have done well in the military, and probably would have a better life now, if for that.

But it is what it is.

Now I didn't say that "everyone feared of being drafted" I said "I feared being drafted" I would've been 18 in Feb of 91.

I apologize for the call out.
It wasn't necessary.

 

[pauldun170]

Yes but that's besides the point.

I remember the Cold War well, I remember the night Iraq invaded Kuwait, I also had to register draft papers way back when. At least in Michigan you had to register, back then. My brother is 5 years older than me, I remember the incessant phone calls from recruiters.

I did not graduate in spring of 90 by 1.5 credits. I just stopped going to morning classes. Alot if it was laziness. I admit I was an idiot then.

Anyway, I started getting the recruiting calls, and one morning I told them I wasn't able to graduate. That stopped the calls.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait, I remember being fearful, at that age I might be drafted, because I was eligible to be drafted, because I have a brother, and one of us could carry on the name. What I remember from the time, that in the prior draft, Vietnam, that was a reason to be ineligible. I may be wrong of my recollection, that is possible.

Again I did say I was an IDIOT, because I think I would have done well in the military, and probably would have a better life now, if for that.

But it is what it is.

Now I didn't say that "everyone feared of being drafted" I said "I feared being drafted" I would've been 18 in Feb of 91.

Sounds like you were (and still are) confused about the Selective Service system

FYI: What you signed up for was the selective service that all males have to sign up for at the age of 18.
"The Draft" is NOT the selective service.
The draft is common name (in the US) for Conscription (Compulsory service in the armed forces) so when you say you were concerned about "The Draft", you are saying you were concerned about "Conscription" which in the US, ended in the early 70's.

The Selective service is simply the national registry of men ELIGIBLE for military service.
The Agency that runs it used to be responsible for running the draft until the draft, AKA "conscription" or mandatory service was ended in 1973.

A draft is the mandatory enrollment of individuals into the armed forces. The United States military has been all-volunteer since 1973. But an act of Congress could still reinstate the draft in case of a national emergency. The Selective Service System is the agency that registers men and is responsible for running a draft.

As for recruiters. They are simply doing their job and call everyone. They still do it to this day.
They are no different the college recruiters scouting out High School football games.

 

[pauldun170]

The Selective service was enacted as part of this law

Military Legal Resources | The Library of Congress

Search results 1 - 25 of 2278.

www.loc.gov

In the U.S., Congress and the president must pass a law authorizing a draft, at which point the government agency known as the Selective Service System oversees the administrative process of conscription. There has not been a draft in the U.S. since 1973, when Congress allowed the existing draft authorization, conscripting men into service in the Vietnam War, to expire.

Two years later, President Gerald Ford suspended men’s responsibility to register for the draft. But in 1980, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, President Jimmy Carter reversed Ford’s position, reinstating registration – though not the draft itself. Since then, all male permanent residents of the United States, both citizen and noncitizen, between the ages of 18 and 26, have been required to register and update their information with the Selective Service every time they move.

The last man inducted entered the U.S. Army on June 30, 1973 during the last draft conducted.

Inductions by Year

Year	Number of Inductions
1917	516,212
1918	2,294,084
1940	18,633
1941	923,842
1942	3,033,361
1943	3,323,970
1944	1,591,942
1945	945,862
1946	183,383
1947	0
1948	20,348
1949	9,781
1950	219,771
1951	551,806
1952	438,479
1953	471,806
1954	253,230
1955	152,777
1956	137,940
1957	138,504
1958	142,246
1959	96,153
1960	86,602
1961	118,586
1962	82,060
1963	119,265
1964	112,386
1965	230,991
1966	382,010
1967	228,263
1968	296,406
1969	283,586
1970	162,746
1971	94,092
1972	49,514
1973	646

 

[DaaQ]

Sounds like you were (and still are) confused about the Selective Service system

FYI: What you signed up for was the selective service that all males have to sign up for at the age of 18.
"The Draft" is NOT the selective service.
The draft is common name (in the US) for Conscription (Compulsory service in the armed forces) so when you say you were concerned about "The Draft", you are saying you were concerned about "Conscription" which in the US, ended in the early 70's.

The Selective service is simply the national registry of men ELIGIBLE for military service.
The Agency that runs it used to be responsible for running the draft until the draft, AKA "conscription" or mandatory service was ended in 1973.



As for recruiters. They are simply doing their job and call everyone. They still do it to this day.
They are no different the college recruiters scouting out High School football games.

TY, like I said at the time, I didn't know any better, and was stupid for avoiding recruitment. Due to finding out later in life, I can operate practically any vehicle or machinery that can be operated. Hindsight. Ugh.

I only knew what I knew at that time, and my brother was constantly called. He would have not made it through boot camp. I would've, since my very first supervisor, was a military guy, and ran it as such. I miss that dude.

Thanks for all the info, I DO regret not enlisting, it took like 20 years for that to happen but like I said, it is what it is. I played what I was dealt.

 

[pauldun170]

TY, like I said at the time, I didn't know any better, and was stupid for avoiding recruitment. Due to finding out later in life, I can operate practically any vehicle or machinery that can be operated. Hindsight. Ugh.

I only knew what I knew at that time, and my brother was constantly called. He would have not made it through boot camp. I would've, since my very first supervisor, was a military guy, and ran it as such. I miss that dude.

Thanks for all the info, I DO regret not enlisting, it took like 20 years for that to happen but like I said, it is what it is. I played what I was dealt.

I get robotexts from our local recruiter.
He's a little late

 

[Pohemi]

I got sweet-talked to by my buddy's recruiter when I went in to the recruiter's office with him before he shipped off, but I never had to deal with calls from recruiters.

I'm guessing maybe they pre-screen possibles, and whether or not there are auto-disqualifying health issues. That would seem odd for them to have general access to that kind of medical info though...maybe I just got lucky and they didn't have my phone number, heh.

FWIW...though I feel differently about it now, I'd have joined @ 18 if I had been able.

 

[shortylickens]

Since you guys derailed my thread, I'll post something unrelated:

Afghans protest US order to give $3.5B to 9/11 victims

I bet this will not go well.

 

[theeedude]

Since you guys derailed my thread, I'll post something unrelated:

Afghans protest US order to give $3.5B to 9/11 victims

I bet this will not go well.

Basically stealing money from the poor.

 

[Zorba]

Basically stealing money from the poor.

And how much money are we going to give to 9/11 victims? I get it was terrible for them, but people get killed tragically every day and get nothing.

Personally I think we should attempt to work with the Taliban. We don't need to be best friends, but there is probably much more to be gained from working with them vs against them.

 

[HurleyBird]

We invaded / destroyed Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died.
I think "we" have done more than enough.

Their obligations should have died with Saddam. Or only have been kept if we maintained any semblance of the former power structure. Instead we already destroyed everyone responsible.

I get where you're coming from, but it's odd to think that the US' criminal actions against Iraq somehow forgive Iraq's criminal actions against Kuwait. The point of reparations is to make victims whole.

Rather, in a perfect world, the US should be paying reparations to Iraq, and we also should have had Nuremberg 2.0. The chief perpetrators of the WMD hoax should have, at the very least, never seen the outside of a prison for the rest of their lives.

If there's any argument for Iraq not needing to pay reparations to Kuwait, it's not that the people responsible have died; Germany paid reparations for WW2 despite Nuremberg punishing responsible individuals. Rather, it's the complete hypocrisy and double standard where Iraq and Hussein and his administration are held accountable for their actions, while the US, Bush, and his administration are not.

 

[theeedude]

And how much money are we going to give to 9/11 victims? I get it was terrible for them, but people get killed tragically every day and get nothing.

Personally I think we should attempt to work with the Taliban. We don't need to be best friends, but there is probably much more to be gained from working with them vs against them.

Should Saudis be paying the victims?

 

[Zorba]

Should Saudis be paying the victims?

I personally don't have enough knowledge on the subject to have an informed opinion on it.

 

[pauldun170]

And how much money are we going to give to 9/11 victims? I get it was terrible for them, but people get killed tragically every day and get nothing.

Personally I think we should attempt to work with the Taliban. We don't need to be best friends, but there is probably much more to be gained from working with them vs against them.

Technically, the 9/11 victims are dead.
Be pretty stupid to dump cash on gravesites.

(Puts on Republican cap)
As for the Families of the dead 9/11 victims.
It's been 20+ years. Get over it. Find those bootstraps and find Jesus or something. Move on and join us at this School Board meeting next week to shout at Carol.

(Puts on Adult hat)
We should be burying pride and working with Taliban. Especially since they are role models for a significant number of American Christians.

 

[Jaskalas]

I get where you're coming from, but it's odd to think that the US' criminal actions against Iraq somehow forgive Iraq's criminal actions against Kuwait. The point of reparations is to make victims whole.

Made whole from whom, other victims?
It is not like a Democracy changed democratic leaders. Saddam's military dictatorship was deposed, its people killed. Then a decade later genocidal terrorists took half the country. HALF the country. It was retaken with much bloodshed, Mosul is a bombed out husk.

It is morally wrong to think any obligation stands, when the Iraqis themselves were also victims of Saddam. Victims of our invasion, and victims of the void we left behind. They could have used those funds to try and stymie further erosion and radicalization of their people. To try and prop up their government. Lest worse atrocities await them. German repayment of WW1 tipped them towards Hitler, for example.

In an isolated bubble the principle behind reparations may be sound, but in practice there can be a lot of harm done and the perpetrators may not even be the ones paying. It is a messy act of vindictiveness.

 

[HurleyBird]

Made whole from whom, other victims?

It's possible to be a victim and a victimizer.

It is morally wrong to think any obligation stands, when the Iraqis themselves were also victims of Saddam.

The Germans themselves were victims of Hitler too. The government changed. High ranking Nazis were held responsible at Nuremberg. Germany still payed reparations for WW2.

Victims of our invasion, and victims of the void we left behind.

I agree that the US, and possibly even NATO as a whole, should pay Iraq reparations. The best argument against less developed countries paying reparations for anything is this odious double standard where the US can do as bad or worse and not need to pay a dime. That the victimizer is also a victim and therefore shouldn't pay, is not a great argument.

Lest worse atrocities await them. German repayment of WW1 tipped them towards Hitler, for example.

It was an element. WW1 reparations were too high. Still, Germany paid further reparations for WW2 and this didn't birth another Hitler.

In an isolated bubble the principle behind reparations may be sound, but in practice there can be a lot of harm done and the perpetrators may not even be the ones paying. It is a messy act of vindictiveness.

It's not binary, that's for sure. Reparations should be reasonable.

 

[IronWing]

Should Saudis be paying the victims?

The House of Saud should have been exterminated root and branch on 9/12.

 

[hal2kilo]

The Selective service was enacted as part of this law

Military Legal Resources | The Library of Congress

Search results 1 - 25 of 2278.

www.loc.gov

The last man inducted entered the U.S. Army on June 30, 1973 during the last draft conducted.

Inductions by Year

​

Year	Number of Inductions
1917	516,212
1918	2,294,084
1940	18,633
1941	923,842
1942	3,033,361
1943	3,323,970
1944	1,591,942
1945	945,862
1946	183,383
1947	0
1948	20,348
1949	9,781
1950	219,771
1951	551,806
1952	438,479
1953	471,806
1954	253,230
1955	152,777
1956	137,940
1957	138,504
1958	142,246
1959	96,153
1960	86,602
1961	118,586
1962	82,060
1963	119,265
1964	112,386
1965	230,991
1966	382,010
1967	228,263
1968	296,406
1969	283,586
1970	162,746
1971	94,092
1972	49,514
1973	646

Was 1-H, going to tech school. But, by 73, the sword was no longer hanging over the head.