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Iraq war legal advice published

Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4492439.stm

the pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/28_04_05_attorney_general.pdf

hiiighly recomended reading, expecialy for those who consider the war to be legal check out section 36. and just about the whole thing

Blair is in deep deep trouble

edt.
and a nice summary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/issues/4492443.stm

but still, read the pdf
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Thanks for the links Czar. Definitely a keeper.

:thumbsup:

I wonder if we'll ever have the pleasure of reading the American version?

 
Summation of legal advice on Bush War 2003 . . .

"Yeah, it's probably illegal but what are they going to do . . . sue us in the World Court . . . HAHAHAHAHA . . . that's a good one!"
 
So he he says "It's probably illegal" privately, and then a few days later publishes publically that it's legal.

Just proves that they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway in the name of greed.

Sad.
 
Originally posted by: novon
So he he says "It's probably illegal" privately, and then a few days later publishes publically that it's legal.

Just proves that they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway in the name of greed.

Sad.
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Legality says little about right and wrong.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: novon
So he he says "It's probably illegal" privately, and then a few days later publishes publically that it's legal.

Just proves that they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway in the name of greed.

Sad.
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Legality says little about right and wrong.
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Spoke like a true apologist.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: novon
So he he says "It's probably illegal" privately, and then a few days later publishes publically that it's legal.

Just proves that they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway in the name of greed.

Sad.
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Legality says little about right and wrong.
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in modern society right and wrong right now is defined by laws, thats what the laws are here for

over time change of right and wrong in terms of how society views them makes the laws change
 
Originally posted by: Czar
in modern society right and wrong right now is defined by laws, thats what the laws are here for

over time change of right and wrong in terms of how society views them makes the laws change
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Right and wrong are completely independent of laws. Laws merely represent the human perception of what is right and wrong at a given instance in time. Many things that are wrong are currently legal.
 
CycloWizard

Spoken like a true troll. Did I mention anything about the war?
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Perhaps he thought like I did, that you had been addressing the topic since you gave no clue that your comment had drifted away from it.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: conjur
Spoke like a true apologist.
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Spoken like a true troll. Did I mention anything about the war?
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If you weren't implying it was about the war, why are you in this thread? Going to enlighten us with your wealth of legal knowledge?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Czar
in modern society right and wrong right now is defined by laws, thats what the laws are here for

over time change of right and wrong in terms of how society views them makes the laws change
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Right and wrong are completely independent of laws. Laws merely represent the human perception of what is right and wrong at a given instance in time. Many things that are wrong are currently legal.
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thank you for prooving my point
 
Originally posted by: conjur
If you weren't implying it was about the war, why are you in this thread? Going to enlighten us with your wealth of legal knowledge?
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Unlike yourself, I recognize that I'm not a legal expert and will, therefore, refrain from lecturing on the legalities. I made a simple observation that is universally correct. If you want to try to argue with me regarding what I actually said rather than beating down some poor strawman, feel free to do so. Otherwise, kindly keep it in your pants.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: conjur
If you weren't implying it was about the war, why are you in this thread? Going to enlighten us with your wealth of legal knowledge?
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Unlike yourself, I recognize that I'm not a legal expert and will, therefore, refrain from lecturing on the legalities. I made a simple observation that is universally correct. If you want to try to argue with me regarding what I actually said rather than beating down some poor strawman, feel free to do so. Otherwise, kindly keep it in your pants.
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Oh, you're not a legal expert but yet you know that some things that are wrong are legal now? :roll:

This war was both illegal *and* wrong and everyone knows it except the apologists.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, you're not a legal expert but yet you know that some things that are wrong are legal now? :roll:
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You support gay marriage, correct? It's currently illegal. Do you think gay marriage is wrong, but support it anyway?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Czar
thank you for prooving my point
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Simply highlighting one sentence that doesn't directly support what you said doesn't make you right. Try reading the rest of that one.
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ok then lets disect your post

Right and wrong are completely independent of laws.
So right and wrong are yes independant of laws

Laws merely represent the human perception of what is right and wrong at a given instance in time.
oh no, they are connected, laws are there to reprisent what is right or wrong

Many things that are wrong are currently legal.
depends on your own moral perception, but this has nothing to do with current laws being wrong in the terms of what is right or wrong


and sorry, I wont let you jihack this thread any further, if you want to comment on the subject at hand then please do
 
Laws are ostensibly designed to keep people from doing wrong. Depending on who is writing the law.

It's clear that the unprovoked invasion of Iraq was illegal and wrong. And both Bush and Blair knew it.

Now the findings of that whitewash commission Bush requested look even more ridiculous.

If they knew it was illegal how can they justify their unprovoked aggression?

And when will they be held responsible for their crimes?

 
Originally posted by: Czar
ok then lets disect your post

Right and wrong are completely independent of laws.
So right and wrong are yes independant of laws

Laws merely represent the human perception of what is right and wrong at a given instance in time.
oh no, they are connected, laws are there to reprisent what is right or wrong

Many things that are wrong are currently legal.
depends on your own moral perception, but this has nothing to do with current laws being wrong in the terms of what is right or wrong

and sorry, I wont let you jihack this thread any further, if you want to comment on the subject at hand then please do
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Laws are merely an attempt to represent right and wrong. They are a human institution, prone to failure. There ARE things that are right and wrong, regardless of my own moral persuasion. These things should be legislated such that the law accurately represents universal rights and wrongs as dictated by ethics.

That, and there's little to discuss on this issue. Everyone has made up their mind one way or the other and certainly won't change it now. For myself, I once vehemently supported the war. Much to conjur's disappointment, he'll learn that this is no longer the case, nor has it been for some time.
 
War laws are invalid. When truly at war, the objective is to destroy the enemy. The victor is legal, the loser is illegal. Thats the way it works. Both sides in every conflict since Cain and Able commit "illegal" acts. In a war if you don't like what your opponent is doing, then you must kill him to make him stop. If you are a spectator to the war, you must commit acts of war in order to change the behavior of a combatant.

Or you can do what the International community tends to do most of the time. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP IT.... YOU BAD BAD PEOPLE. Which accomplishes next to nothing, other than becoming a mouth piece for one side or the other.

-Max
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
War laws are invalid. When truly at war, the objective is to destroy the enemy. The victor is legal, the loser is illegal. Thats the way it works. Both sides in every conflict since Cain and Able commit "illegal" acts. In a war if you don't like what your opponent is doing, then you must kill him to make him stop. If you are a spectator to the war, you must commit acts of war in order to change the behavior of a combatant.

Or you can do what the International community tends to do most of the time. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP IT.... YOU BAD BAD PEOPLE. Which accomplishes next to nothing, other than becoming a mouth piece for one side or the other.

-Max
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:thumbsup:

The victors declare what is sane. Only the insane have the courage for victory.
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
War laws are invalid. When truly at war, the objective is to destroy the enemy. The victor is legal, the loser is illegal. Thats the way it works. Both sides in every conflict since Cain and Able commit "illegal" acts. In a war if you don't like what your opponent is doing, then you must kill him to make him stop. If you are a spectator to the war, you must commit acts of war in order to change the behavior of a combatant.

Or you can do what the International community tends to do most of the time. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP IT.... YOU BAD BAD PEOPLE. Which accomplishes next to nothing, other than becoming a mouth piece for one side or the other.

-Max
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I bet you were a hoot in school
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Doboji
War laws are invalid. When truly at war, the objective is to destroy the enemy. The victor is legal, the loser is illegal. Thats the way it works. Both sides in every conflict since Cain and Able commit "illegal" acts. In a war if you don't like what your opponent is doing, then you must kill him to make him stop. If you are a spectator to the war, you must commit acts of war in order to change the behavior of a combatant.

Or you can do what the International community tends to do most of the time. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP IT.... YOU BAD BAD PEOPLE. Which accomplishes next to nothing, other than becoming a mouth piece for one side or the other.

-Max
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:thumbsup:

The victors declare what is sane. Only the insane have the courage for victory.
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yes yes.. might makes right, that your new motto?
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Doboji
War laws are invalid. When truly at war, the objective is to destroy the enemy. The victor is legal, the loser is illegal. Thats the way it works. Both sides in every conflict since Cain and Able commit "illegal" acts. In a war if you don't like what your opponent is doing, then you must kill him to make him stop. If you are a spectator to the war, you must commit acts of war in order to change the behavior of a combatant.

Or you can do what the International community tends to do most of the time. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP IT.... YOU BAD BAD PEOPLE. Which accomplishes next to nothing, other than becoming a mouth piece for one side or the other.

-Max
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:thumbsup:

The victors declare what is sane. Only the insane have the courage for victory.
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yes yes.. might makes right, that your new motto?
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You can wish for it to be untrue all you want. Reality is reality.

Even your precious diplomacy is just another weapon of might.
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Doboji
War laws are invalid. When truly at war, the objective is to destroy the enemy. The victor is legal, the loser is illegal. Thats the way it works. Both sides in every conflict since Cain and Able commit "illegal" acts. In a war if you don't like what your opponent is doing, then you must kill him to make him stop. If you are a spectator to the war, you must commit acts of war in order to change the behavior of a combatant.

Or you can do what the International community tends to do most of the time. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP IT.... YOU BAD BAD PEOPLE. Which accomplishes next to nothing, other than becoming a mouth piece for one side or the other.

-Max
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:thumbsup:

The victors declare what is sane. Only the insane have the courage for victory.
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yes yes.. might makes right, that your new motto?
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You can wish for it to be untrue all you want. Reality is reality.

Even your precious diplomacy is just another weapon of might.
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hehe true true, just diplomacy tends to not get people killed along with doing more of a build up instead of build down in terms of economic and cultural development

I just wish we could move more of our agression towards either sports or, in some way politics.

 
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