Iraq signs weapons purchase contract with Iran

[norseamd]

Obama should have the entire Bush administration brought up on charges of treason. Bush's crimes rise to the level of meriting execution as punishment. Every soldier who was maimed or killed in Iraq was a much much much better man than Bush. Bush will go down as the worst president in American history. An epic failure.

think hillary clinton wanted to do that

obama is too much of a political hack to do that

 

[norseamd]

Iran basically froze it's nuclear program and down-mixed their enriched uranium stockpile to below 20% in return for very modest sanction relief and coming to the table to iron out a larger permanent deal. So yes...it's been working so far. Russia brings nothing to the table that Iran wants long term. Continued western tension with Iran is in Russia's interest due to oil exports. Iraq just wanted to throw a little hissy and engaging Iran on a largely symbolic arms deal (less than 10% of US arms sales to Iran) is how they chose to get attention. Iran would drop Iraq in a heartbeat if this looked to derail the nuclear/sanction talks since they have many billions to gain.

given the increasing conflict with russia and china we would be smart to decrease the conflict with iran.

we need to bring pressure and incentives to bargain with them to allow the iaea inspectors into their country and inspect anywhere they would like. that way iran can have the nuclear power that it wants along with a stronger economy. and we get more security. throw in some green technology deals and improved university research cooperation and that would be a good deal for them

 

[werepossum]

Iran basically froze it's nuclear program and down-mixed their enriched uranium stockpile to below 20% in return for very modest sanction relief and coming to the table to iron out a larger permanent deal. So yes...it's been working so far.

Russia brings nothing to the table that Iran wants long term. Continued western tension with Iran is in Russia's interest due to oil exports.

Iraq just wanted to throw a little hissy and engaging Iran on a largely symbolic arms deal (less than 10% of US arms sales to Iran) is how they chose to get attention. Iran would drop Iraq in a heartbeat if this looked to derail the nuclear/sanction talks since they have many billions to gain.

Makes sense. Also, to some degree closer ties between the two nations is in our interests. Let's not forget that Iraq under Saddam Hussein invaded or fought border skirmishes with all his neighbors. Crazy mullahs aside, Saddam probably had as much to do with Iran seeking the bomb as did the Great Satan.

 

[Fern]

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And I thought Obama didn't decline the request, but it was the Senate foreign relations committee that shot it down, people like McCain.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/p..._blasts_senators_for_blocking_iraq_arms_sales

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is controlled by the Democrats. But you gotta throw McCain's name in there? (BTW: Are you sure he didn't vote to send weapons to Iraq? That would seem uncharacteristic of McCain.)

So, basically Obama can't persuade his fellow Democrats.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Parchin is not a production facility, but you already knew that, dishonest propagandist that you are.
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If you're not allowed to inspect it how do you know what's in it?

Fern

 

[Fern]

think hillary clinton wanted to do that

obama is too much of a political hack to do that

Hillary was just talking smack. She wasn't going to do a damn thing.

And Obama can't either. The Clinton admin formally adopted a policy of regime change in Iraq (i.e., get rid of Saddam). And long before Bush ever got into office Hillary and other Democrats were on the podium raging about Iraq's WMD and how dangerous the regime was.

Far too many inconvenient facts.

Fern

 

[Fern]

given the increasing conflict with russia and china we would be smart to decrease the conflict with iran.

we need to bring pressure and incentives to bargain with them to allow the iaea inspectors into their country and inspect anywhere they would like. that way iran can have the nuclear power that it wants along with a stronger economy. and we get more security. throw in some green technology deals and improved university research cooperation and that would be a good deal for them

That's already been tried. It didn't work.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

If you're not allowed to inspect it how do you know what's in it?

Fern

Satellites, drones, humint & electronic intelligence. An enrichment facility is hard to hide. But you already knew that as well. There are no credible allegations that Parchin has ever been used as a production facility. Period.

The same sort of fearmongering & raving went on decades ago when China Got The Bomb! And then nothing happened. Yeh, really.

Iran has not been shown to have ever produced weapons grade material, at all. The IAEA assures us that they would detect any such production with their current inspection regime. Given all the raving about how they could get the bomb in 6 months that has occurred over the last 10 years, if Iran wanted nuclear weapons they'd already have them.

No weapons grade materials, no weapons. It's just that simple.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is controlled by the Democrats. But you gotta throw McCain's name in there? (BTW: Are you sure he didn't vote to send weapons to Iraq? That would seem uncharacteristic of McCain.)

So, basically Obama can't persuade his fellow Democrats.

Fern

Basically, Obama is not omnipotent, nor were his predecessors, no matter how irrational your hatred.

 

[norseamd]

Hillary was just talking smack. She wasn't going to do a damn thing. And Obama can't either. The Clinton admin formally adopted a policy of regime change in Iraq (i.e., get rid of Saddam). And long before Bush ever got into office Hillary and other Democrats were on the podium raging about Iraq's WMD and how dangerous the regime was. Far too many inconvenient facts. Fern

but a lot of this is about how the situation was handled not the fact of getting rid of saddam and taking care of iraq.

 

[Texashiker]

No, the problem was that we allowed the Shia to control Iraq.

Saddam was Sunni.

Iran is, of course, Shia.

And you still think getting rid of Saddam was a good thing?

Now there is a chance Iran and Iraq will become allies.

Like I said in a previous post, Saddam ensured Iraq and Iran would never be at peace, and that the resources of both nations would not be aligned.

Both nations have untold wealth in natural resources, and can align themselves with Russia and China.

Hey China, need rare minerals to make smart phones? Setup shop over here.

When China and/or Russia move into Iraq and Iran, any strike on those nations can be viewed as a strike on the national security of China and Russia.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Sounds like maybe Iran will become a little more secure and won't feel so threatened. Maybe it might help stabilize the middle east? It may not be ideal for US interests. But, internationally, some cooperation between Iraq and Iran could be a good thing.