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IRAQ?S PREDETERMINED ELECTIONS

GreatBarracuda

Golden Member
IRAQ?S PREDETERMINED ELECTIONS
January 31, 2005
By Eric Margolis

NEW YORK ? There was nothing at all surprising about yesterday?s election in Iraq. The vote, designed to justify the US-British invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation, had entirely predictable results.

First, a sidebar. No election held under a foreign military occupation resulting from an unjustified war is legal under international law. Only an election run by UN troops could be considered legitimate.

During the Cold War, elections staged by the Soviets after invading Afghanistan, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia were rightly denounced by the US as `frauds,? and the leaders elected as `stooges.?

Iraq?s Shia, excluded from political power since Britain created Iraq in 1921, won because they represent 60% of the population. Shia Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani issued a fatwa, or religious decree, ordering the faithful to vote for the Shia coalitions.

Sistani made what some see as a pact with the devil. He is abetting at least temporary US occupation and exploitation of oil-rich Iraq in exchange for Washington handing power to his fellow `good? Shia?s - not to be confused with Iran?s `bad? Shia?s, who are facing US-Israeli attack. Baghdad?s `good? Shia don?t sport turbans, sideline clerics, and avoid angry Islamic mutterings.

After first refusing to deal with the Shia leadership, Washington finally gave in and agreed to a deal due to its inability to crush the Sunni-led resistance.

Iraq?s pro-US Kurds elected two coalitions determined keep their oil revenues and create a state independent in all but name. Israel is secretly aiding Kurds? secessionist ambitions. Turkey?s army went on alert in case Iraq?s Kurds declared an independent state.

Sunni?s have lost all the power and perks they previously enjoyed, and lead resistance against US occupation. They are left odd men out, at the mercy of hated Shia, a sect long persecuted by mainstream Sunni Muslims as dangerous heretics and fanatics. Few Sunnis voted. The 60% turnout ballyhooed by the US media represented mainly Shia and Kurds, who were eager to vote for their parochial interests.

The US-`guided? regime emerging from the vote will be one of form without much substance, unless a new Shia regime revolts against US occupation and asserts its independence.

For now, Iraq?s real government will continue to be the US Embassy in Baghdad, the world?s largest, and 150,000 US occupation troops. The fact that the US occupation authorities will control every key aspect of political, economic and security in Iraq seems to have escaped the gushing US media.

Every important Iraqi ministry is run by US `advisors,? who call the shots and allocate all spending. Power comes from guns and money. The US controls and pays Iraq?s low morale police and native sepoy troops who, in a nation with 70% unemployment, mostly serve to feed families.

Iraq?s entire budget comes from sporadic oil exports and US-dispensed aid (the latest bill for Bush?s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: US $240 billion). He who pays the piper in Baghdad, calls the tune. US multinationals are lining up to harvest Iraq?s riches once security is established. `Freedom,? in George Bush?s lexicon, means electing pro-US, anti-Islamic regimes that obey Washington?s orders, go through the charade of democratic elections, like Egypt or Tunisia(both military dictatorships), allow in US business, and make nice to Israel.

Many Iraqis will vote for anyone promising to end violence and social misery. But many nationalists and Islamists, excluded from the election process, are voting their own way ? by bullets and bombs. Washington calls them `terrorists,? but the UN Charter enshrines people?s right to resist foreign occupation.

A Muslim-Lite, turbanless Shia regime allied to Washington will immediately have to face Kurdish secessionists and Sunni insurgents. Younger, more nationalistic Shia with connections to Tehran will try to oust the `quietist,? collaborationist Sistani faction once Shias are firmly in power. More, rather than less, violence is likely, with Sistani a prime bomb target.

Iraq, like Humpty Dumpty, is broken and may never be put together. That?s fine with the Bush Administration?s pro-Israel hawks who engineered this war. A shattered Iraq will never challenge Israel?s nuclear monopoly.

But not fine for the US. A senior American commander just warned 130,000 US troops must stay in Iraq until at least 2007, maybe much longer. Iraqization, like Vietnamization, has proved a chimera. So, too, plans to plunder Iraq?s oil. Meanwhile, Pentagon brass are livid over neocon plans to launch a new war against Israel?s principal enemy, Iran.

This `guided? election is George Bush?s best last chance to declare a titanic victory, then bring all his troops home to a big ticker-tape parade before Iraq dissolves into bloody chaos or is taken over by Iran. Otherwise, the US will be stuck forever to its Iraqi tar baby, ruing the day it overthrew old ally, Saddam.

A truly independent regime will eventually emerge in Baghdad when the US finally runs low on money, men and crusading willpower, but this could take many years.

We?ll know for sure true freedom and genuine independence have come to Iraq when the government in Baghdad orders US troops out, raises oil prices, rebuilds its armed forces, and renews support for the Palestinian cause.

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2005

Writers Notes

The US media has followed the made-for-TV election with all the avidity of a PR firm in high gear. Few journalists have bothered to question the underlying reasons for the vote, or future problem. God knows, Iraq needs a decent democratic government ? as do all the other Arab nations ? but one developed by all Iraqis in their own time and under their own tribal and political leaders without prodding from Big Brother in Washington. Vietnam held elections, too, and these proved as meaningless as the one we just saw in Iraq.

http://www.ericmargolis.com
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Now that the premiere of the new reality TV show "Elections in Iraq" has passed us and all the excitement and fervour coming to an end, it's nice to see everything in perspective again, even if you were caught up in all the hoo-hah. Your thoughtful comments are welcome.
 
More whining from the left. You lost - AGAIN! Keep harping on the WMD thing - at least you kinda sorta were a little bit right on that one.
 
You know what? This is barely worth replying to, but I imagine a bunch of you will take the breadth of this post and make it your new talking point about why going to Iraq was "wrong".

A country is free from the dictatorship it's been stifled by for the first time in decades, and this op-ed hack is already comparing it to the sham elections of USSR satellite nations. How completely dishonest. By the same token, is Japan and Germany free or under sham governments - or will they only be so once the U.S. presence on those countries ends?
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
More whining from the left. You lost - AGAIN! Keep harping on the WMD thing - at least you kinda sorta were a little bit right on that one.
Kinda sorta a little?
Don't be so modest 😀

and i think the elections went well for what they were doing, although i'm not a big fan of the process...
I would have liked to see the people elect the president, not a group of selected candidates 😛
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: alchemize
More whining from the left. You lost - AGAIN! Keep harping on the WMD thing - at least you kinda sorta were a little bit right on that one.
Kinda sorta a little?
Don't be so modest 😀

and i think the elections went well for what they were doing, although i'm not a big fan of the process...
I would have liked to see the people elect the president, not a group of selected candidates 😛

Please feel free to post some pre-war quotes of D-senators saying Iraq didn't have WMD 🙂

Another year, new "real" election right?
 
The only thing left to do with this election is to finalize the vote count and determine which temporary puppets won. In another year or so we'll have another election to determine more permanent puppets.
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
The only thing left to do with this election is to finalize the vote count and determine which temporary puppets won. In another year or so we'll have another election to determine more permanent puppets.

^^ Another bitter socialist ^^


elected puppet government. I bet you think the same thing about the US eh?
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: alchemize
More whining from the left. You lost - AGAIN! Keep harping on the WMD thing - at least you kinda sorta were a little bit right on that one.
Kinda sorta a little?
Don't be so modest 😀

and i think the elections went well for what they were doing, although i'm not a big fan of the process...
I would have liked to see the people elect the president, not a group of selected candidates 😛

Please feel free to post some pre-war quotes of D-senators saying Iraq didn't have WMD 🙂

Another year, new "real" election right?
I'm sure if you are voting on the same incorrect information, this is expected. If the gov't was given documents that showed absolutely no WMD, then there is no way in hell they'd appove a war. Just as logical as invading SA or Egypt.

Both the Dems and Reps fvcked up royally on this one.

this was a "real" election, i dunno what you are implying...
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: alchemize
More whining from the left. You lost - AGAIN! Keep harping on the WMD thing - at least you kinda sorta were a little bit right on that one.
Kinda sorta a little?
Don't be so modest 😀

and i think the elections went well for what they were doing, although i'm not a big fan of the process...
I would have liked to see the people elect the president, not a group of selected candidates 😛

Please feel free to post some pre-war quotes of D-senators saying Iraq didn't have WMD 🙂

Another year, new "real" election right?
I'm sure if you are voting on the same incorrect information, this is expected. If the gov't was given documents that showed absolutely no WMD, then there is no way in hell they'd appove a war. Just as logical as invading SA or Egypt.

Both the Dems and Reps fvcked up royally on this one.

this was a "real" election, i dunno what you are implying...

No implications - I recognize that this is a representative government that will put the constitution together. Nothing more meant by my quotations marks than that...

Amd agreed, they both F'ed up, with the Bush Admin owing more responsibility since they "gave the go order".
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
The only thing left to do with this election is to finalize the vote count and determine which temporary puppets won. In another year or so we'll have another election to determine more permanent puppets.

^^ Another bitter socialist ^^


elected puppet government. I bet you think the same thing about the US eh?

Not really, alchy. In case you aren't aware, we don't have another country helping us give birth to a new form of government.

BTW alchy, are you ever going to supply us with some other quotes in the other thread? I really never figured you for one of those cut-n-run guys. 😉

 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
The only thing left to do with this election is to finalize the vote count and determine which temporary puppets won. In another year or so we'll have another election to determine more permanent puppets.

^^ Another bitter socialist ^^


elected puppet government. I bet you think the same thing about the US eh?

Not really, alchy. In case you aren't aware, we don't have another country helping us give birth to a new form of government.

BTW alchy, are you ever going to supply us with some other quotes in the other thread? I really never figured you for one of those cut-n-run guys. 😉

I thought we were always supposed to thank France for our first elections?????? They helped liberate us remember????

Which thread - the one aidjam asked for? I believe I provided the quotes I was asked for...

 
Originally posted by: Stunt


Both the Dems and Reps fvcked up royally on this one.
I would say that this is a rather accurate statement, given the current outcome. (talking about the WMD thing here, of course)..
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
The only thing left to do with this election is to finalize the vote count and determine which temporary puppets won. In another year or so we'll have another election to determine more permanent puppets.

^^ Another bitter socialist ^^


elected puppet government. I bet you think the same thing about the US eh?

Not really, alchy. In case you aren't aware, we don't have another country helping us give birth to a new form of government.

BTW alchy, are you ever going to supply us with some other quotes in the other thread? I really never figured you for one of those cut-n-run guys. 😉
Did you ever go back and apologize to Cad in that thread where you called him a lowlife and scumbag and a liar and he proved you wrong? Nope...I didn't think so..

 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: alchemize
More whining from the left. You lost - AGAIN! Keep harping on the WMD thing - at least you kinda sorta were a little bit right on that one.
Kinda sorta a little?
Don't be so modest 😀

and i think the elections went well for what they were doing, although i'm not a big fan of the process...
I would have liked to see the people elect the president, not a group of selected candidates 😛

And how long did it take the colonies before that actually elected a president.

People are complaining about 2 years from invasion until elections without looking in the mirror.

Let the people of Iraq move slowly forward. they are making large strides consider what opportunities existing 3 years ago.

With regards to the Sunni's, payback for misdeeds is sweet. They aligned themselves with Suddam for the power and priviledge; ntw that it no longer exists, they wish to invalidate anything that does not support their views of favors them.
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's the irony?
I make all kinds of posts I never go back to Gaard, But I am pretty damn sure that I have never went to as much trouble as you did to insult someone, and then get proven wrong and then, How did you call it, cut-n-run ....


Here is your Irony, Gaard. Next time you take a shower, think about big things and then look down. 😉
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And how long did it take the colonies before that actually elected a president.

People are complaining about 2 years from invasion until elections without looking in the mirror.

Let the people of Iraq move slowly forward. they are making large strides consider what opportunities existing 3 years ago.

With regards to the Sunni's, payback for misdeeds is sweet. They aligned themselves with Suddam for the power and priviledge; ntw that it no longer exists, they wish to invalidate anything that does not support their views of favors them.

If you are all over the natural progression, why not let the iraq's rebel and change on their own just like the colonies did. They didnt need a country to invade them kick out the british, french or spanish so they could form a democracy.

Do you know how many countries are not democracies?...you honestly want to invade each one and see what happens over time?

Please tell me you are not conservative...you give us a bad name 🙂
 
So how come none of the libs have applauded the importance of the numbers of women that turned out to vote in this Iraqi election. Particularly since some of them had to walk miles to get to the voting stations? I haven't heard any of the great leftist women leaders comment on it at all. Didn't serve your personal and political agendas, did it?
 
Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
IRAQ?S PREDETERMINED ELECTIONS
January 31, 2005
By Eric Margolis

NEW YORK ? There was nothing at all surprising about yesterday?s election in Iraq. The vote, designed to justify the US-British invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation, had entirely predictable results.

First, a sidebar. No election held under a foreign military occupation resulting from an unjustified war is legal under international law. Only an election run by UN troops could be considered legitimate.

During the Cold War, elections staged by the Soviets after invading Afghanistan, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia were rightly denounced by the US as `frauds,? and the leaders elected as `stooges.?

Iraq?s Shia, excluded from political power since Britain created Iraq in 1921, won because they represent 60% of the population. Shia Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani issued a fatwa, or religious decree, ordering the faithful to vote for the Shia coalitions.

Sistani made what some see as a pact with the devil. He is abetting at least temporary US occupation and exploitation of oil-rich Iraq in exchange for Washington handing power to his fellow `good? Shia?s - not to be confused with Iran?s `bad? Shia?s, who are facing US-Israeli attack. Baghdad?s `good? Shia don?t sport turbans, sideline clerics, and avoid angry Islamic mutterings.

After first refusing to deal with the Shia leadership, Washington finally gave in and agreed to a deal due to its inability to crush the Sunni-led resistance.

Iraq?s pro-US Kurds elected two coalitions determined keep their oil revenues and create a state independent in all but name. Israel is secretly aiding Kurds? secessionist ambitions. Turkey?s army went on alert in case Iraq?s Kurds declared an independent state.

Sunni?s have lost all the power and perks they previously enjoyed, and lead resistance against US occupation. They are left odd men out, at the mercy of hated Shia, a sect long persecuted by mainstream Sunni Muslims as dangerous heretics and fanatics. Few Sunnis voted. The 60% turnout ballyhooed by the US media represented mainly Shia and Kurds, who were eager to vote for their parochial interests.

The US-`guided? regime emerging from the vote will be one of form without much substance, unless a new Shia regime revolts against US occupation and asserts its independence.

For now, Iraq?s real government will continue to be the US Embassy in Baghdad, the world?s largest, and 150,000 US occupation troops. The fact that the US occupation authorities will control every key aspect of political, economic and security in Iraq seems to have escaped the gushing US media.

Every important Iraqi ministry is run by US `advisors,? who call the shots and allocate all spending. Power comes from guns and money. The US controls and pays Iraq?s low morale police and native sepoy troops who, in a nation with 70% unemployment, mostly serve to feed families.

Iraq?s entire budget comes from sporadic oil exports and US-dispensed aid (the latest bill for Bush?s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: US $240 billion). He who pays the piper in Baghdad, calls the tune. US multinationals are lining up to harvest Iraq?s riches once security is established. `Freedom,? in George Bush?s lexicon, means electing pro-US, anti-Islamic regimes that obey Washington?s orders, go through the charade of democratic elections, like Egypt or Tunisia(both military dictatorships), allow in US business, and make nice to Israel.

Many Iraqis will vote for anyone promising to end violence and social misery. But many nationalists and Islamists, excluded from the election process, are voting their own way ? by bullets and bombs. Washington calls them `terrorists,? but the UN Charter enshrines people?s right to resist foreign occupation.

A Muslim-Lite, turbanless Shia regime allied to Washington will immediately have to face Kurdish secessionists and Sunni insurgents. Younger, more nationalistic Shia with connections to Tehran will try to oust the `quietist,? collaborationist Sistani faction once Shias are firmly in power. More, rather than less, violence is likely, with Sistani a prime bomb target.

Iraq, like Humpty Dumpty, is broken and may never be put together. That?s fine with the Bush Administration?s pro-Israel hawks who engineered this war. A shattered Iraq will never challenge Israel?s nuclear monopoly.

But not fine for the US. A senior American commander just warned 130,000 US troops must stay in Iraq until at least 2007, maybe much longer. Iraqization, like Vietnamization, has proved a chimera. So, too, plans to plunder Iraq?s oil. Meanwhile, Pentagon brass are livid over neocon plans to launch a new war against Israel?s principal enemy, Iran.

This `guided? election is George Bush?s best last chance to declare a titanic victory, then bring all his troops home to a big ticker-tape parade before Iraq dissolves into bloody chaos or is taken over by Iran. Otherwise, the US will be stuck forever to its Iraqi tar baby, ruing the day it overthrew old ally, Saddam.

A truly independent regime will eventually emerge in Baghdad when the US finally runs low on money, men and crusading willpower, but this could take many years.

We?ll know for sure true freedom and genuine independence have come to Iraq when the government in Baghdad orders US troops out, raises oil prices, rebuilds its armed forces, and renews support for the Palestinian cause.

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2005

Writers Notes

The US media has followed the made-for-TV election with all the avidity of a PR firm in high gear. Few journalists have bothered to question the underlying reasons for the vote, or future problem. God knows, Iraq needs a decent democratic government ? as do all the other Arab nations ? but one developed by all Iraqis in their own time and under their own tribal and political leaders without prodding from Big Brother in Washington. Vietnam held elections, too, and these proved as meaningless as the one we just saw in Iraq.

http://www.ericmargolis.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now that the premiere of the new reality TV show "Elections in Iraq" has passed us and all the excitement and fervour coming to an end, it's nice to see everything in perspective again, even if you were caught up in all the hoo-hah. Your thoughtful comments are welcome.

Really? What happened in Japan and Germany after WW2?
 
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