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Originally posted by: optoman
Originally posted by: Jmman
You know, Moonie is actually starting to convince me that war with Saddam shouldn't be our first priority. I am beginning to think we have much bigger problems at home. Anybody else think that we should go to war with the apparently socialist stronghold of San Francisco? 😕
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Something about those two smileys together makes me laugh.
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That's because they're GAY.😉😀
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's Soddam fun to kill people. I just hate it when some jerk remind me I'm OK with killing kids. Shut up already. I didn't jump on the partiot wagon to be called and actually help support murder. STFU Idiot. Let me kill with a clean conscience like the bad guys do. For Gods sake. Oh wait, lets not think about God either. Geez I hate it when people point out my cowardly willingness to kill so I don't have to worry at night about some filthy terrorist under my beddy-bye or in the closet. Those kids will just grow up to be terrorists anyway. And besides 800 cruise missiles in two days won't hurt anybody. I'm really a good person. Honest I am. I'm just so scared and fear makes me engaged. Now who can I dump on?
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Do you do anything but create strawmen for the purposes of having a position you can actually feel superior to? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's Soddam fun to kill people. I just hate it when some jerk remind me I'm OK with killing kids. Shut up already. I didn't jump on the partiot wagon to be called and actually help support murder. STFU Idiot. Let me kill with a clean conscience like the bad guys do. For Gods sake. Oh wait, lets not think about God either. Geez I hate it when people point out my cowardly willingness to kill so I don't have to worry at night about some filthy terrorist under my beddy-bye or in the closet. Those kids will just grow up to be terrorists anyway. And besides 800 cruise missiles in two days won't hurt anybody. I'm really a good person. Honest I am. I'm just so scared and fear makes me engaged. Now who can I dump on?
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One word two syllables: PRO-ZAC
 
Frances I like my strawman better than your boogie man.

ELFenix, I'm sure you're really suffering.

Dari, I missed where you called me a fatalist. I would think the term fits you much better. Killer, fatalist, sort of the same thing, no. But I'd love to hear your definition. 😀

Jmman, becoming something of a master at the one line brainless post, I see. Nothing like killing without a conscience, is there? Guilt, hehe, what's that. I thought it's when you feel the need to defend yourself, however ineptly, by shifting guilt.

MrBurns, too bad you haven't.

Edit: Forgot Trezza who is just too cleaver.

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's Soddam fun to kill people. I just hate it when some jerk remind me I'm OK with killing kids. Shut up already. I didn't jump on the partiot wagon to be called and actually help support murder. STFU Idiot. Let me kill with a clean conscience like the bad guys do. For Gods sake. Oh wait, lets not think about God either. Geez I hate it when people point out my cowardly willingness to kill so I don't have to worry at night about some filthy terrorist under my beddy-bye or in the closet. Those kids will just grow up to be terrorists anyway. And besides 800 cruise missiles in two days won't hurt anybody. I'm really a good person. Honest I am. I'm just so scared and fear makes me engaged. Now who can I dump on?
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holding back on us? - tell us how you really feel! 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Frances I like my strawman better than your boogie man.

ELFenix, I'm sure you're really suffering.

Dari, I missed where you called me a fatalist. I would think the term fits you much better. Killer, fatalist, sort of the same thing, no. But I'd love to hear your definition. 😀

Jmman, becoming something of a master at the one line brainless post, I see. Nothing like killing without a conscience, is there? Guilt, hehe, what's that. I thought it's when you feel the need to defend yourself, however ineptly, by shifting guilt.

MrBurns, too bad you haven't.

Edit: Forgot Trezza who is just too cleaver.
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While i will never understand the reasoning behind any of your ideas which are devoid of any logic whatsoever, I know how to spell clever. Nice try. Make sure when your insulting someone you know how to spell and have fun in the third grade.

fa·tal·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ftl-zm)
n.
The doctrine that all events are predetermined by fate and are therefore unalterable.
Acceptance of the belief that all events are predetermined and inevitable.

Fa"tal*ist\, n. [Cf. F. fataliste.] One who maintains that all things happen by inevitable necessity.
 
I like Moonbeam. He gets you guys all riled up so easily...it's sort of comical at times. 🙂

Considering the advanced weapon systems fo today, that statement is all but assinine.
A laser guided bomb doesnt just "Oops!" and fly towards a schoolyard. And generally, the military tries its damnedest to taget only military installations. Resulting in very few civilian casualties
I personally say save us some bucks and do carpet bombing of WWII. THEN see if people complain about 2 children and 3 adults getting killed by an errent missle...Screw that, firebomb a entire city and watch'm bitch.
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From my understanding, the way that Baghdad is setup, all the government run buildings, that will likely be some of our first targets in the initial cruise missile attacks, are all in heavily civilian populated areas. Even if our "smart" bombs hit their targets dead on, there will likely be large numbers of civilian casualties.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Frances I like my strawman better than your boogie man.

ELFenix, I'm sure you're really suffering.

Dari, I missed where you called me a fatalist. I would think the term fits you much better. Killer, fatalist, sort of the same thing, no. But I'd love to hear your definition. 😀

Jmman, becoming something of a master at the one line brainless post, I see. Nothing like killing without a conscience, is there? Guilt, hehe, what's that. I thought it's when you feel the need to defend yourself, however ineptly, by shifting guilt.

MrBurns, too bad you haven't.

Edit: Forgot Trezza who is just too cleaver.
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look at your damn posts and you'll see an example of fatalism.
 
is the iraqi govt preventing iraqis from leaving baghdad? why hasn't everyone left yet? that would suck if they were trapped there. die if ya do and die if ya don't. anyway, if it was me, and there were no restrictions, i'd head for the boonies and wait until all this crap is over, not stay in the city and let saddam store his nukes in my garage.
 
Frances: My boogie man? Oh please elaborate (and corroborate)


It's Soddam fun to kill people. I just hate it when some jerk remind me I'm OK with killing kids. Shut up already. I didn't jump on the partiot wagon to be called and actually help support murder. STFU Idiot. Let me kill with a clean conscience like the bad guys do. For Gods sake. Oh wait, lets not think about God either. Geez I hate it when people point out my cowardly willingness to kill so I don't have to worry at night about some filthy terrorist under my beddy-bye or in the closet. Those kids will just grow up to be terrorists anyway. And besides 800 cruise missiles in two days won't hurt anybody. I'm really a good person. Honest I am. I'm just so scared and fear makes me engaged. Now who can I dump on?

As for corroboration, check your shorts for brown stains.
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Terezza, sorry about the third grade thingi. I just couldn't think of a first grade response like prozak.

As for my spelling, hehe, are you prowd of yours. A killer who can spell. Swell. You really are relevant. Cleaver is the kind of cutting wit that suits a killer.

Trouble with reason and logic si that you need to be able to recognize them to be to see them at all. Keep working.

Thanks for the definitons of fatalism. I didn't need it, Dari does.
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Glad to, Farmall, lots of children on the line.


 
Dari: look at your damn posts and you'll see an example of fatalism.
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Could you lend my your blindfold, I don't see it.

Edit: Gee, don't be afraid to point out some examples. I mean you've said this before, right?
 
I can't say I find this evidence all that compelling, to be honest.


Iraq had WMD's in the eighties, when we helped them develop them and aided their WMD's. They had them after the gulf war, but nobody was pushing to invade. Plenty of countries have WMD's - including several that are antagonistic and have long range delivery systems (IE: Pakistan,which arguably supports far more terrorism than Iraq, North korea, which has the potential to deliver a nuclear payload to numerous US bases and also the western united states, Russia, which can't seem to keep track of its nuclear weapons, China, which also has ICBM's and has shown itself to be antagonistic if pushed, and numerous other countries).

None of the terrorists from September 11th were Iraqi. None had any ties (well, REAL ties - the Bush Administration seems to think they do, but their logic is suspect), and most were Saudi. Which begs the question: why in the hell are we going after Iraq when most of the "terrorists" were from Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia arguably supplies MORE terrorism than Iraq also.



The entire logic smacks of stupidity. Going after Iraq is clearly just a ploy for something else (election? cover up for the economy? oil? Who knows. I don't care; all I know is I don't buy it) and the world won't be a safer place after we've bombed them that much closer to the stone age - to the contrary, it may be more dangerous.





I wonder if Donald Rumsfield enjoyed shaking Saddam's hand back in '84. 😀
 
Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
is the iraqi govt preventing iraqis from leaving baghdad? why hasn't everyone left yet? that would suck if they were trapped there. die if ya do and die if ya don't. anyway, if it was me, and there were no restrictions, i'd head for the boonies and wait until all this crap is over, not stay in the city and let saddam store his nukes in my garage.
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I don't pretend to understand what's going on over there, but there was a lady on Crossfire this evening who was one of the heads of the human shield operation where they all went to Baghdad. Bill and Pat were asking her what the mood was over there, and she said they are all very scared, and don't know where to go to avoid the impending attack. Now, I'm sure her depiction will have it's own bias to support her cause, but she mentions that they are all basically looking to accuire things like food and emergency supplies to stockpile for when the war comes, which apparently are in short supply. She also mentioned that they were all taping their windows with ordinary masking tape to try to protect from flying glass.

I understand people's strong feelings towards Iraq, and Saddam Hussein, but I think we sometimes forget that the vast majority of these civilians are innocent. We see people burning our flag on TV in government organized or sanctioned rallies, and we just assume they are all the "enemy". Civillian casulaties, unfortunately, will always be a part of war for some time to come, but I worry when we shrug off innocent people dying with a "sh*t happens" type of attitude.

Just my opinion..

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kidjan, prepare to be called illogical by the spelling whiz. 😀


Edit: Sh!t happens is fine till it happens to me. Then it's outrageous.
 
Nice post kidjan

I feel Bushco at this point has no alternative but war w/o losing face. They have been beating the war drum since they took office and to capitulate now would be a sign of weakness and to many americans and a sign of being a looser. Americans don't loose. We hate it more than death itself. It's pride really, just like sanctions against Cuba for 40 years, just like sactions on Iraq...They do nothing but hurt the innocent people while solidifying the power of thier ruler in this case Saddam. Well at least the suffering of sanctions/embargo will be over with, i hope we don't kill to many like you doomdayers are eluding to.
 
It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone called me "illogical," and my spelling sucks ass - but I simply don't care.



11,147 Americans died of gunshot wounds in 2001. The terrorists apparantly can't keep up with us killing each other, either. Factor in motor vehicle deaths, deaths attributed to people overdosing on tylenol and booze, pollution-related deaths, and other ridiculous ways that Americans die (heart disease, anyone?), and I really have a hard time worrying about some podunk third-world state with limited military power and no ability to project it to the US in any sort of meaningful manner.

I have bigger things to worry about - WMD's are the most pathetic example of an administration trying to scare people into buying their plan (Reagan and Bush Sr. used it to the same effect with Libya), and when put into perspective with prevalent social problems we already have, I simply don't care.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
We see people burning our flag on TV in government organized or sanctioned rallies, and we just assume they are all the "enemy". Civillian casulaties, unfortunately, will always be a part of war for some time to come, but I worry when we shrug off innocent people dying with a "sh*t happens" type of attitude.

Just my opinion..

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....and a very good opinion, if you ask me....reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain:

"We despise all reverences and all objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our list of sacred things and yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy for us."
- Mark Twain
 
Originally posted by: kidjan
I can't say I find this evidence all that compelling, to be honest.

Iraq had WMD's in the eighties, when we helped them develop them and aided their WMD's. They had them after the gulf war, but nobody was pushing to invade. Plenty of countries have WMD's - including several that are antagonistic and have long range delivery systems (IE: Pakistan,which arguably supports far more terrorism than Iraq, North korea, which has the potential to deliver a nuclear payload to numerous US bases and also the western united states, Russia, which can't seem to keep track of its nuclear weapons, China, which also has ICBM's and has shown itself to be antagonistic if pushed, and numerous other countries).

None of the terrorists from September 11th were Iraqi. None had any ties (well, REAL ties - the Bush Administration seems to think they do, but their logic is suspect), and most were Saudi. Which begs the question: why in the hell are we going after Iraq when most of the "terrorists" were from Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia arguably supplies MORE terrorism than Iraq also.

The entire logic smacks of stupidity. Going after Iraq is clearly just a ploy for something else (election? cover up for the economy? oil? Who knows. I don't care; all I know is I don't buy it) and the world won't be a safer place after we've bombed them that much closer to the stone age - to the contrary, it may be more dangerous.

I wonder if Donald Rumsfield enjoyed shaking Saddam's hand back in '84. 😀
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For once a good arguement about why we shouldn't go to war with Iraq. It even talks about stuff that happened in '84. This guy even has facts and alternatives. Amazing and he didn't even have to talk about how the army kills babies.
 
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