Iran's Revolutionary Guard among Hizbollah combat dead

[Jaskalas]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.

It would appear that Iran can no longer deny their role in this current war. Not only do they supply missile weaponry, but now members of their elite military unit have been found slain alongside Hizbollah in southern Lebanon.

Will this change anything; does it mean that Iran is waging war? If it is, why do we continue to act in apathy towards Iran? I am curious to see if we can downplay the significance of this finding.

I will note that this media report is fresh, and not yet wide spread.

 

[linkgoron]

There has been talk about it in Israel since noon... It's not fresh.

noon-around 12 hours ago...

 

[Todd33]

Invade Iran!!!

It's no secret that Iran is behind Hizbollah, so this is not Earth shaking. We supply weapons, intel and probably advisers in Israel, are we waging war by proxy?

Why people have to paint this conflict as some black and white, good vs evil thing is beyond me. Both sides are beyond dirty and many countries have their finger prints on both sides.

 

[jpeyton]

What do you suggest? Sanctions?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you suggest? Sanctions?

When war is waged, the usual course of action would be to fight back.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you suggest? Sanctions?

When war is waged, the usual course of action would be to fight back.

Well why isn't Israel launching a full scale assault on Iran?

 

[Aimster]

Im not saying this isnt true but I see no evidence to suggest Iran's troops were fighting with Hezbollah other than the word of a government who hates Iran.

Iran has troops inside Lebanon. Everyone knows this. However, if Israel wants to prove it then they need to show the bodies and the evidence. Otherwise, Hezbollah will come out and deny it and Iran will say this is propaganda.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you suggest? Sanctions?

When war is waged, the usual course of action would be to fight back.

Well why isn't Israel launching a full scale assault on Iran?

They can't.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you suggest? Sanctions?

When war is waged, the usual course of action would be to fight back.

Well why isn't Israel launching a full scale assault on Iran?

They can't.

I know, I was just toying with him

 

[Polish3d]

edited for my bad manners

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.

I wish they could find my mom's co-worker, she went for a visit just before this all started and has not been heard from since.

 

[Lemon law]

I will point out Sir Winston Churchill---as then a young cadet was sent as a military observer during the cuban American war.
Would that then mean England was allied with the Spanish--and against the USA.---no he was just a military observer sent to learn about--among other things---the performance of bolt action rifles of the mauser system.---and new technology at the time.---England also had military observers sprinkled around in our civil war.----and in war---people get killed---the active combatents along with any non-combatents in the vacinity.

So a word no----so its surface propaganda and nothing more---yes Iran is probably supplying some or much of the arms---but so are alot of other suppliers---I even heard hezbollah had some American missles.---they might even find some N. Korean observers before this is done.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I will point out Sir Winston Churchill---as then a young cadet was sent as a military observer during the cuban American war.
Would that then mean England was allied with the Spanish--and against the USA.---no he was just a military observer sent to learn about--among other things---the performance of bolt action rifles of the mauser system.---and new technology at the time.---England also had military observers sprinkled around in our civil war.----and in war---people get killed---the active combatents along with any non-combatents in the vacinity.

So a word no----so its surface propaganda and nothing more---yes Iran is probably supplying some or much of the arms---but so are alot of other suppliers---I even heard hezbollah had some American missles.---they might even find some N. Korean observers before this is done.

Since when do observers pick up weapons and fight in the war themselves?

I mean, I suppose the article is not clear at all on this matter. If they were indeed only happening to be there observing as you would claim, or if they were fighting Israel.

 

[Aimster]

Iran is able to reproduce most of the weapons they have in their inventory. This includes some pretty advanced U.S made weapons dating up to 1980.

The rest they are able to buy from China/Russia and either buy in bulk or mass-produce in bulk.

So in other words .. most of the weapons Hezbollah has are from Iran.

Iran is not denying this. They have openly admitted that Hezbollah is armed with their weapons included advanced missiles/rockets that have yet to be fired on Tel Aviv for whatever reason.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
When war is waged, the usual course of action would be to fight back.

If it comes to that, it might be a viable option except that, since Bushwhacko has already squandered our military resources in Iraq, we don't have the resources to cover our military needs, let alone our own asses, when we need them for legitimate purposes.

 

[Lemon law]

Just re-read the article---no where did it say they were actively fighting---and in case I was not clear---a military observer attaches itself to one sides army or the others. They don't just roam the battleground free lance.---if captured during fighting they are then supposed to then identify themselves as a military observer.--if they get killed---well then they are dead. And their documents may be ignored for military propaganda purposes.

But this is a perfect place to show the limits of the collective punishment doctrine Israel is now punishing Lebanon with.

Found one dead Iranian among Hezbollah---clearly proof postive that ALL Iranian support Hezbollah---and therefore its Israels duty---forthwith to bomb Iran back to the stone age--Syria looks complicit also---bomb them back to the stone age too---maybe find some American dupe---well might as well get America also---start on the East coast and work West--leave not a brick standing on a brick.---if one is guilty the whole nation is guilty.

Kill kill kill them all.---all who even think Israel isn't right 100% of the time.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Just re-read the article---no where did it say they were actively fighting---and in case I was not clear---a military observer attaches itself to one sides army or the others. They don't just roam the battleground free lance.---if captured during fighting they are then supposed to then identify themselves as a military observer.--if they get killed---well then they are dead. And their documents may be ignored for military propaganda purposes.

But this is a perfect place to show the limits of the collective punishment doctrine Israel is now punishing Lebanon with.

Found one dead Iranian among Hezbollah---clearly proof postive that ALL Iranian support Hezbollah---and therefore its Israels duty---forthwith to bomb Iran back to the stone age--Syria looks complicit also---bomb them back to the stone age too---maybe find some American dupe---well might as well get America also---start on the East coast and work West--leave not a brick standing on a brick.---if one is guilty the whole nation is guilty.

Kill kill kill them all.---all who even think Israel isn't right 100% of the time.

Actually, they said members, not member.
Now if there are tens, that's something else.
If there are only 20 or so...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I will point out Sir Winston Churchill---as then a young cadet was sent as a military observer during the cuban American war.
Would that then mean England was allied with the Spanish--and against the USA.---no he was just a military observer sent to learn about--among other things---the performance of bolt action rifles of the mauser system.---and new technology at the time.---England also had military observers sprinkled around in our civil war.----and in war---people get killed---the active combatents along with any non-combatents in the vacinity.

So a word no----so its surface propaganda and nothing more---yes Iran is probably supplying some or much of the arms---but so are alot of other suppliers---I even heard hezbollah had some American missles.---they might even find some N. Korean observers before this is done.

Since when do observers pick up weapons and fight in the war themselves?

I mean, I suppose the article is not clear at all on this matter. If they were indeed only happening to be there observing as you would claim, or if they were fighting Israel.

And that's the question, isn't it? We don't know WHAT they were doing or why they were there...I'm not sure we can be making assumptions quite yet.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.

It would appear that Iran can no longer deny their role in this current war. Not only do they supply missile weaponry, but now members of their elite military unit have been found slain alongside Hizbollah in southern Lebanon.

Will this change anything; does it mean that Iran is waging war? If it is, why do we continue to act in apathy towards Iran? I am curious to see if we can downplay the significance of this finding.

I will note that this media report is fresh, and not yet wide spread.

I don't think it's any secret that Iran has been involved with Hezbollah so I don't understand why you think it's some new revelation. Besides, I thought Israeli supporters no longer considered Reuters a reliable source? Or is it only reliable when it fits your agenda?

 

[Lemon law]

I wish to point out I said they could be military observers---not that they were definitely military observers---so no definite conclusions can be drawn---and also when military observers are sent---they are sent as a small unit--not as an single indivual.

But as the largest arms supplier in the world---the USA hardly has clean hands either.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wish to point out I said they could be military observers---not that they were definitely military observers---so no definite conclusions can be drawn---and also when military observers are sent---they are sent as a small unit--not as an single indivual.

But as the largest arms supplier in the world---the USA hardly has clean hands either.

I will just point out, that if American soldiers had been found dead alongside Israeli soldiers, the "military observer" thing would get laughed at.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.

It would appear that Iran can no longer deny their role in this current war. Not only do they supply missile weaponry, but now members of their elite military unit have been found slain alongside Hizbollah in southern Lebanon.

Will this change anything; does it mean that Iran is waging war? If it is, why do we continue to act in apathy towards Iran? I am curious to see if we can downplay the significance of this finding.

I will note that this media report is fresh, and not yet wide spread.

I don't think it's any secret that Iran has been involved with Hezbollah so I don't understand why you think it's some new revelation. Besides, I thought Israeli supporters no longer considered Reuters a reliable source? Or is it only reliable when it fits your agenda?

The first source was cable news. Reuters was the only source on the internet at the time of the posting. Try again.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.

It would appear that Iran can no longer deny their role in this current war. Not only do they supply missile weaponry, but now members of their elite military unit have been found slain alongside Hizbollah in southern Lebanon.

Will this change anything; does it mean that Iran is waging war? If it is, why do we continue to act in apathy towards Iran? I am curious to see if we can downplay the significance of this finding.

I will note that this media report is fresh, and not yet wide spread.

Isreals problem not ours.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Just re-read the article---no where did it say they were actively fighting
Its kind of hard to actively fight if your dead.
Last time I checked it was.
Correct me if I am wrong.
---and in case I was not clear---a military observer attaches itself to one sides army or the others. They don't just roam the battleground free lance.---if captured during fighting they are then supposed to then identify themselves as a military observer.--if they get killed---well then they are dead. And their documents may be ignored for military propaganda purposes.
Again what does this have to with anything? Wars are not fought where other countries can send military observers and as such when captured they show there MILITARY OBSERVER ID and they will be released to their mother land.
So you would actually believe that Iran has military observers just observing whats going on?
But this is a perfect place to show the limits of the collective punishment doctrine Israel is now punishing Lebanon with.
It doesn`t show anything. you use words such as collective punishment which has nothing to do with the fact that lebanon was too cowardly to take control and not allow Hezbollah to operate in there countrie. Now iran has Military observers?
so yuo suppose israel should just nuke the whole middle east under your definition of collective punishment? Nice try but your colors are showing!

Found one dead Iranian among Hezbollah---clearly proof postive that ALL Iranian support Hezbollah---and therefore its Israels duty---forthwith to bomb Iran back to the stone age--Syria looks complicit also---bomb them back to the stone age too---maybe find some American dupe---well might as well get America also---start on the East coast and work West--leave not a brick standing on a brick.---if one is guilty the whole nation is guilty.

Kill kill kill them all.---all who even think Israel isn't right 100% of the time.

What is sad lemon law is that you know better than what you are posting. You know the people of Iran actually do hate the Jews. You also know that the whole world has been told by the President of Iran that they want to see Israel wiped off the map!
Oh -- Let me guess---he was just joking..playing around...having some fun.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wish to point out I said they could be military observers---not that they were definitely military observers---so no definite conclusions can be drawn---and also when military observers are sent---they are sent as a small unit--not as an single indivual.

But as the largest arms supplier in the world---the USA hardly has clean hands either.

Every conlusion can be drawn. Its been known by the whole world that Iranians were on the ground with Hezbollah militia!
In this case the United states has no advisors in Israel.
Israel does not need our help.
Trust me israel is still acting in a restrained manner.