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Iranians answer unity rally call

Aimster

Lifer
Tens of thousands of Iranians have braved blizzards to attend rallies marking the 1979 Islamic revolution.
The government had urged people to turn out to show support for its nuclear programme amid pressure led by the US.

President Mohammad Khatami told them Iran would become a "burning hell" for any country that invaded it.

Meanwhile, in Berlin, 1,000 or more Iranian exiles marched in protest, demanding democratic change in their home country.

The rallies were held to mark the toppling in 1979 of the shah and the return of late leader Ayatollah Khomeini.

The biggest demonstration in Iran took place in the capital Tehran's snowy Azadi square, where tens of thousands gathered to hear an address by their president.

Mr Khatami told them US "threats" of military action were "just part of the psychological war and the consequence of their failures".

He said: "All the people of Iran are united against any attack and any threats. Any invader will find Iran to be a burning hell for them."


The crowds turned out despite the city being virtually paralysed by heavy snowfalls in its worst winter for decades.

The BBC's Frances Harrison in Tehran says those in power want to show they have genuine popular support, and make it far more difficult for the Americans to topple the regime.

New revolution

The counter-demonstration in Berlin went ahead despite originally being banned for alleged links with the exiled People's Mujahideen opposition, which is branded a terrorist group by the United States and the European Union.

A German court overturned the ban.

Demonstrators marched from western Berlin to the Brandenburg Gate, carrying signs in French and German calling for democracy in Iran and supporting the Mujahideen's exiled co-leader, Maryam Rajavi.

Some of them said they wanted a peaceful revolution, but other marchers called for an invasion to remove the theocratic government from power.

US President George Bush has refused to rule out military action to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons - though he also emphasised the role of diplomacy.

Tehran insists its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes.

Mr Khatami said on Thursday: "We give our guarantee that we will not produce nuclear weapons because we are against them and do not believe they are a source of power."

But he added: "We will not give up peaceful nuclear technology."
 
Why should they give up peaceful nuclear tech. I don't know many large countries without nuclear reactors currently operative. Iran is smart to get nukes, it is an excellent deterant. No other nuclear power has ever been invaded.

I think it is great that Iran is taunting the neo-cons...much deserved.
 
Iran should be worrying a lot more about Israel than the a war-weary US.. maybe someone should remind them about what happened to Iraq's nuclear program when the Israelis got wind of it... *poof* and it was gone.

Let's assume for a moment that the UN/US somehow talks Israel out of erasing Iran's nuclear program.. what will the US/Israeli detractors say in 5 years or so when Iran lobs a few nukes at _____ and 10s of thousands of people are vaporized in 1 day of "fighting"?
 
Why should they give up peaceful nuclear tech... Iran is smart to get nukes, it is an excellent deterant.
Uhh.. "peaceful nuclear tech" is a "deterant"? Of course that's not what you meant.. you, along w/ the rest of the Team-ABB are well aware of what Iran is trying to do. - "peaceful nuclear tech".. PFFT!
 
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Iran should be worrying a lot more about Israel than the a war-weary US.. maybe someone should remind them about what happened to Iraq's nuclear program when the Israelis got wind of it... *poof* and it was gone.

Let's assume for a moment that the UN/US somehow talks Israel out of erasing Iran's nuclear program.. what will the US/Israeli detractors say in 5 years or so when Iran lobs a few nukes at _____ and 10s of thousands of people are vaporized in 1 day of "fighting"?

There's no reason to think Iran would be any more likely than Israel to employ nukes without being attacked. It seems like it'd be smart for the U.S./Israels to consider carefully before testing Iran's resolve to use them in self defense.
 
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
There's no reason to think Iran would be any more likely than Israel to employ nukes without being attacked.
Good God man.. you do realize that we're talking about "Iran" and not "Japan", right? - 😕

Who have they attacked? Last 3,000 years?
😛
 
Apart from your ridiculous inference that Iran is somehow a peaceful nation, have you ever heard of Iraq? Specifically, Khalq? Prolly not considering your thesis statement (fantasy) but Iran has made it an annoying habit over the past 5 or 6 years of crossing the border and invading the military bases there.

Do you honestly believe that a country run by a handful of UNELECTED Islamic Fundamentalist Mullahs who believe anyone not prescribing to their very particular brand of Islam should either be converted or put to death is to be trusted w/ nukes? Really?
 
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Apart from your ridiculous inference that Iran is somehow a peaceful nation, have you ever heard of Iraq? Specifically, Khalq? Prolly not considering your thesis statement (fantasy) but Iran has made it an annoying habit over the past 5 or 6 years of crossing the border and invading the military bases there.

Do you honestly believe that a country run by a handful of UNELECTED Islamic Fundamentalist Mullahs who believe anyone not prescribing to their very particular brand of Islam should either be converted or put to death is to be trusted w/ nukes? Really?

No offense, but you do not know the history of Iran.

Iran never invaded Iraq. Iraq attacked Iran.

Iraq harbored (still does) MEk - MOK, which is a terrorist organization that launched attacks in Iran. Iran launched an attack at their military base. Just for arguement .. MEK is terrorist organization according to the CIA. That was not an attack on Iraq. It was an attack on a military base run by terrorist.
 
Iran has been making these periodic incursions across the sovereign nation of Iraq's borders w/out their permission since 1979.. that's a FACT mister whether or not you wanna face it. "terrorist org"? So what? You asked if/when any invasions were made by Iran and I provided you w/ an answer. -- btw, you didn't answer MY question.
 
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Iran has been making these periodic incursions across the sovereign nation of Iraq's borders w/out their permission since 1979.. that's a FACT mister whether or not you wanna face it. "terrorist org"? So what? You asked if/when any invasions were made by Iran and I provided you w/ an answer. -- btw, you didn't answer MY question.

Since 1979? Iraq launched an attack into Iran and tookover 180 miles of territory. You want Iran not to fight back? WoW.

So you don't think the MEk are terrorist?
Here is a list of what they did:

# The series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran?s chief of staff
# The 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami?s palace in Tehran
# The February 2000 ?Operation Great Bahman,? during which MEK launched 12 attacks against Iran
# The 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran?s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi
# The 1998 assassination of the director of Iran?s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi
# The 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries Assistance to Saddam Hussein?s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings
# The 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar Support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries
# The 1970s killings of U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran

You telling me Iran does not have a right to strike back at their bases?

What question?
If I believe Iran is a peaceful nation?
I believe Iran is a nation that minds it's own business and talks just like the rest of the world. Your information about the regime of Iran is also flawed. They do not believe in one sect of Islam and force people to believe in it. They just happen to be Shia. They have a perm. Jewish member in their cabinet and the Jewish people are protected under the law. Therefore I don't see how your claim that Iran wants to force people into Islam is valid. Christians in Iran also have certain rights as well as the Bahaii people.

Is it peaceful? Let's see this very nation, the U.S, is telling Iran it cannot have peaceful nuclear technology. The U.S supplied Iraq with chemical weapons to kill thousands of civilians. Iran supplied who with chemical weapons to kill thousands?


 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Iran has been making these periodic incursions across the sovereign nation of Iraq's borders w/out their permission since 1979.. that's a FACT mister whether or not you wanna face it. "terrorist org"? So what? You asked if/when any invasions were made by Iran and I provided you w/ an answer. -- btw, you didn't answer MY question.

Since 1979? Iraq launched an attack into Iran and tookover 180 miles of territory. You want Iran not to fight back? WoW.

So you don't think the MEk are terrorist?
Here is a list of what they did:

# The series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran?s chief of staff
# The 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami?s palace in Tehran
# The February 2000 ?Operation Great Bahman,? during which MEK launched 12 attacks against Iran
# The 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran?s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi
# The 1998 assassination of the director of Iran?s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi
# The 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries Assistance to Saddam Hussein?s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings
# The 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar Support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries
# The 1970s killings of U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran

You telling me Iran does not have a right to strike back at their bases?

What question?
If I believe Iran is a peaceful nation?
I believe Iran is a nation that minds it's own business and talks just like the rest of the world. Your information about the regime of Iran is also flawed. They do not believe in one sect of Islam and force people to believe in it. They just happen to be Shia. They have a perm. Jewish member in their cabinet and the Jewish people are protected under the law. Therefore I don't see how your claim that Iran wants to force people into Islam is valid. Christians in Iran also have certain rights as well as the Bahaii people.

Is it peaceful? Let's see this very nation, the U.S, is telling Iran it cannot have peaceful nuclear technology. The U.S supplied Iraq with chemical weapons to kill thousands of civilians. Iran supplied who with chemical weapons to kill thousands?

:thumbsup:
 
Since 1979? Iraq launched an attack into Iran and tookover 180 miles of territory. You want Iran not to fight back? WoW.
But, but, you said.. So you're not denying the attacks anymore just justifying them? ? I guess that?s the same sort of ?logical thinking? as ?peaceful nuke tech? that also doubles as a ?deterent?.. "WoW" indeed.
So you don't think the MEk are terrorist?
Please point out where I said anything even resembling that. Please.
 
I don't know if you are trying to be funny or you just want to prove something.

Iran was attacked and they fought back. How can someone not justify defending your own country?

Israel is bad. They "attacked" Arabs. Israel is dangerous. They will nuke the Arabs...

.....
 
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Iran has been making these periodic incursions across the sovereign nation of Iraq's borders w/out their permission since 1979.. that's a FACT mister whether or not you wanna face it. "terrorist org"? So what? You asked if/when any invasions were made by Iran and I provided you w/ an answer. -- btw, you didn't answer MY question.

Since 1979? Iraq launched an attack into Iran and tookover 180 miles of territory. You want Iran not to fight back? WoW.

So you don't think the MEk are terrorist?
Here is a list of what they did:

# The series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran?s chief of staff
# The 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami?s palace in Tehran
# The February 2000 ?Operation Great Bahman,? during which MEK launched 12 attacks against Iran
# The 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran?s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi
# The 1998 assassination of the director of Iran?s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi
# The 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries Assistance to Saddam Hussein?s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings
# The 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar Support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries
# The 1970s killings of U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran

You telling me Iran does not have a right to strike back at their bases?

What question?
If I believe Iran is a peaceful nation?
I believe Iran is a nation that minds it's own business and talks just like the rest of the world. Your information about the regime of Iran is also flawed. They do not believe in one sect of Islam and force people to believe in it. They just happen to be Shia. They have a perm. Jewish member in their cabinet and the Jewish people are protected under the law. Therefore I don't see how your claim that Iran wants to force people into Islam is valid. Christians in Iran also have certain rights as well as the Bahaii people.

Is it peaceful? Let's see this very nation, the U.S, is telling Iran it cannot have peaceful nuclear technology. The U.S supplied Iraq with chemical weapons to kill thousands of civilians. Iran supplied who with chemical weapons to kill thousands?

:thumbsup:

 
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Iran has been making these periodic incursions across the sovereign nation of Iraq's borders w/out their permission since 1979.. that's a FACT mister whether or not you wanna face it. "terrorist org"? So what? You asked if/when any invasions were made by Iran and I provided you w/ an answer. -- btw, you didn't answer MY question.

Since 1979? Iraq launched an attack into Iran and tookover 180 miles of territory. You want Iran not to fight back? WoW.

So you don't think the MEk are terrorist?
Here is a list of what they did:

# The series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran?s chief of staff
# The 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami?s palace in Tehran
# The February 2000 ?Operation Great Bahman,? during which MEK launched 12 attacks against Iran
# The 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran?s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi
# The 1998 assassination of the director of Iran?s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi
# The 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries Assistance to Saddam Hussein?s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings
# The 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar Support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries
# The 1970s killings of U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran

You telling me Iran does not have a right to strike back at their bases?

What question?
If I believe Iran is a peaceful nation?
I believe Iran is a nation that minds it's own business and talks just like the rest of the world. Your information about the regime of Iran is also flawed. They do not believe in one sect of Islam and force people to believe in it. They just happen to be Shia. They have a perm. Jewish member in their cabinet and the Jewish people are protected under the law. Therefore I don't see how your claim that Iran wants to force people into Islam is valid. Christians in Iran also have certain rights as well as the Bahaii people.

Is it peaceful? Let's see this very nation, the U.S, is telling Iran it cannot have peaceful nuclear technology. The U.S supplied Iraq with chemical weapons to kill thousands of civilians. Iran supplied who with chemical weapons to kill thousands?

:thumbsup:

 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Why should they give up peaceful nuclear tech. I don't know many large countries without nuclear reactors currently operative. Iran is smart to get nukes, it is an excellent deterant. No other nuclear power has ever been invaded.

I think it is great that Iran is taunting the neo-cons...much deserved.

are you out of your mind? It's great Iran is taunting us? DO YOU WANT ANOTHER WAR!? The whole damn world is united against Iran having nukes and you think its "great." I knew Canadians were a little wacko but not like this.

In your first part of your post you say "why should hey give up peaceful nuclear tech," implying they are only doing it for nuclear power. Then you say "Iran is smart to get nukes, it is an excellent deterant." So which is it, is it for nuclear power or for nukes? I don't see nukes as being "peaceful."
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Stunt
Why should they give up peaceful nuclear tech. I don't know many large countries without nuclear reactors currently operative. Iran is smart to get nukes, it is an excellent deterant. No other nuclear power has ever been invaded.

I think it is great that Iran is taunting the neo-cons...much deserved.

are you out of your mind? It's great Iran is taunting us? DO YOU WANT ANOTHER WAR!? The whole damn world is united against Iran having nukes and you think its "great." I knew Canadians were a little wacko but not like this.

In your first part of your post you say "why should hey give up peaceful nuclear tech," implying they are only doing it for nuclear power. Then you say "Iran is smart to get nukes, it is an excellent deterant." So which is it, is it for nuclear power or for nukes? I don't see nukes as being "peaceful."
The whole world is against nukes in general...focusing on Iran is a moot point, why not give attention to NK, israel, india, pakistan, russia, france, britain, yourselves.

Fact of the matter is, every nuclear power has an equal and opposite counter nuclear power, it creates stability as one country doesnt have the upperhand on the other. Look at these pairings: US-russia, china-russia, china-india, india-pakistan, britain-france. Isreal is the only one that holds the imbalance. The palistinians feel this power difference and oppress against it. I think a ME nuclear power would create more stability in the region. If you do not accept this, go advocate all nuclear proliferation, not just Iran, unless you are a partisan hack arguing for what Bush says and nothing else.

Nuclear energy is one of the cleanest forms of mass energy production on the planet, all major countries have them. Iran with 70mill ppl is a major country. Now that is my only reason to mention that in my first part of the post. Nuclear power is great, and more countries should use. The energy issue is far different than the nuclear arms arguement. if you cannot see the distinction, give your head a shake.

My other point was the nuke DEFENSE tech. Which i somewhat support (as shown above). I think if iran got nukes, there'd be a better chance for peace in the ME and the US won't attack. US attacking iran would be horrific, even you cannot argue that.
 
Originally posted by: Stumps
Oh no Australia has a nuclear reactor...the US better invade us..we might develop nukes with one day
Don't worry, apparently everyone can have nukes as long as you are a "democracy" or a non-muslim country 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Iran has been making these periodic incursions across the sovereign nation of Iraq's borders w/out their permission since 1979.. that's a FACT mister whether or not you wanna face it. "terrorist org"? So what? You asked if/when any invasions were made by Iran and I provided you w/ an answer. -- btw, you didn't answer MY question.

Since 1979? Iraq launched an attack into Iran and tookover 180 miles of territory. You want Iran not to fight back? WoW.

So you don't think the MEk are terrorist?
Here is a list of what they did:

# The series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran?s chief of staff
# The 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami?s palace in Tehran
# The February 2000 ?Operation Great Bahman,? during which MEK launched 12 attacks against Iran
# The 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran?s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi
# The 1998 assassination of the director of Iran?s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi
# The 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries Assistance to Saddam Hussein?s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings
# The 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar Support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries
# The 1970s killings of U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran

You telling me Iran does not have a right to strike back at their bases?

What question?
If I believe Iran is a peaceful nation?
I believe Iran is a nation that minds it's own business and talks just like the rest of the world. Your information about the regime of Iran is also flawed. They do not believe in one sect of Islam and force people to believe in it. They just happen to be Shia. They have a perm. Jewish member in their cabinet and the Jewish people are protected under the law. Therefore I don't see how your claim that Iran wants to force people into Islam is valid. Christians in Iran also have certain rights as well as the Bahaii people.

Is it peaceful? Let's see this very nation, the U.S, is telling Iran it cannot have peaceful nuclear technology. The U.S supplied Iraq with chemical weapons to kill thousands of civilians. Iran supplied who with chemical weapons to kill thousands?

Ok Iran is a perfect little country that does no harm to anyone. Iran is great. All hail Iran.

Yeah sure it minds its own business.

You conveniently left the fact out that it is the LEADING SPONSOR OF TERRORISM in the world.

Also, only a fool would say Iran has no ambition to develop nuclear weapons and its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah sure it minds its own business.

You conveniently left the fact out that it is the LEADING SPONSOR OF TERRORISM in the world.
Really?...in terms of deaths?...cuz i think the US wins that crown 😛
what is the death count in iraq?...hrmmm

but in all honesty, there are far worse groups, like hamas and the like attacking israel?, doesnt pakistan itself terrorize india?, don't chechyns attack russia?, doesnt SA and syria support terror?, doesnt the KKK do stuff?...

I'd like to see where you have come to the conclusion that they are the leading supporter of terrorism next to all these other groups. And define 'terrorism'.
 
dictionary.com says: TERRORISM: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Sounds like textbook definition of Iraq...
 
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