Yep, this is one of those Craig threads that he has zero fucking ideal of what he is talking about. It was only a couple of weeks back when someone was asking when Craig is ever as bad as FNE, or Patranus, or Spidery. The three are pretty big retards in many posts, but this is a shiny example example of when Craig is just as retarded.
Yes, all 4 from time to time have made stellar, excellent, informative posts. Maybe not all I agree with, but they have done a few good ones here and there. But quite a bit is pure puke like this shit from those guys.
As for the OP, I almost wanted to post that youtube video link of the "not so bad side" or Iran showing all the clean parts of major cities and smiling faces. Loaded propaganda I know
I have nothing against individual people. But when people let a government pull this crap and endorse that government, then I have a problem with the people as a whole.
While I appreciate the limit of your comments to this as an exception, I see a lot of attacking and zero substance for the attacks.
I haven't looked at this case that much, but for the sake of argument I assume this is the total, immoral, tyrannical, murderous, corrupt political act as much or more than anyone.
And yet, my post is misrepresented as somehow saying what it doesn't - which ironically proves my point about people who can only see the issues in 'the other side'.
Consider the following statements:
1. "Hitler was monstrously evil, initiating a war killing tens of million, genocide of millions."
2. "Hitler was monstrously evil, initiating a war killing tens of million, genocide of millions.
Sadly, the west committed its own war crimes, from the unnecessary firebombing of cities as the value of life became lessened by war and the desire for terrorism replaced morality; to the post-war revenge by ally Russia in their treatment of the German population. While on a far, far smaller scale, injustices were done to Japanese-Americans - not only the paranoia of placing them in camps, but the failre to restore their property after the war.
It's sad that many can't hear any criticism of the US without demanding it be denied, and falsely claiming that pointing it out is a 'false equivalency' with the Nazis."
Now, is statement #2 accurate? Or is it as some here say about the previous post, 'denying the evil of Hitler and false equivalency the US is just as bad!'
I'd say the former. It may be tricky to mix the two points, but when you are addressing the issue of people who are not able to see any wrongs by our side, what choice is there?
It is in no way reducing or mitigating the wrong by 'the other side'. As I've repeatedly said, Iran is a tyrannical society limiting freedoms and perpetrating injustices - and doing so in ways nothing like the west does. No 'equivalency' there. But, that doesn't change the fact the west has its own issues some people refuse to recognize - and the mistreatment of one person for corrupt political agendas against foreign enemies is ironic given that we too have done injustices to people - not the same ones, but others also unjust - to many people which too many of our citizens don't understand or admit, so that part of condemning this in Iran - not in any way reducing that condemntation - is to point out there's more to the issue than simply attacking them and calling for war.
It is quite possible to make this point badly, where the 'other side' is presented as that false quivalency - but this was far from that outside the imaginations of some posters.
There is no valid point here that Iran's behavior was excused; that the west's was exaggerated; that mentioning them together was unjustified or 'false equivalency'.
And this comment is what you condemn so strongly - again, without any actual substance to your attack.
Sorry, you have not convinced me of any problem - quite the opposite.
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