Iranian regime accused of massive theft

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's administration has been accused of extensive financial fraud after a dispute between government agencies revealed a $35 billion discrepancy in revenues from the country's oil sales.

A report by Iran's State Audit organization found a series of inconsistencies in the amount of revenue recorded by different organs of Ahmadinejad's government. The discrepancies, totaling around $66 billion, are equivalent to Iran's average oil revenues over an entire year.

Ahmadinejad's regime has been accused of misappropriating oil revenues for years. While the gist of the State Audit organization's findings were made public months ago, the extent of the inconsistencies it uncovered were first revealed Monday by Farda, a conservative local media outlet associated with Teheran's mayor Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, frequently cited as a potential future contender for president.

"The amount was really surprising," Hossein Bastani, the co-founder of Rooz, an Iranian dissident journal, told The Media Line. "In the past the Iranian parliament questioned what had happened to $1 billion in the 2006 budget. Until this week, that was the largest amount of money to have disappeared. Now we are talking about $66 billion!"


"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

The largest of the discrepancies centers around $35 billion worth of imported goods. While Iran's Central Bank reported almost $220 billion worth of goods to have been purchased for import into the country between 2005 and 2008, the country's customs administration reports only $185 billion worth of goods to have actually arrived in the country.

The report also found significant inconsistencies between the revenue the government reported as earned through exports of oil and other goods and the amount of money actually deposited in the country's central bank.

While Iran's oil ministry recorded $255 billion in revenue generated from the country's oil sales over the past four years, Iran's Central Bank reported receiving a much larger sum of money, $280 billion, during the aforementioned period.

A further $2.6 billion discrepancy in revenues from non-oil exports was reported and the Central Bank found a $3 billion discrepancy between the amount of money recorded as being in the country's foreign exchange reserves and the amount of money actually there.

Oil constitutes Iran's largest source of revenue, making up 80% of the country's foreign exchange revenues.
Heavily dependent on oil, Iran's economy has been badly damaged by the recent fall in oil prices.

Ahmadinejad's regime has been accused of misappropriating oil revenues for years, but some Iranian analysts said the recent issue had been overblown by local media, attributing the dispute to an internal government spat over accounting practices.

"The two organizations at loggerheads over this are the Ministry of Oil and the State Audit organization," Dr Seyyed Mohammad Marandi, a lecturer at the University of Tehran, told The Media Line. "Neither side is accusing the other of fraud and while there are some newspapers who have talked about missing money, that's not what the agencies themselves have said... They just have different ways of carrying out their auditing and I think they are trying to resolve their differences."

Dr Marandi said it was unlikely Iranian officials would be able to steal billions.

"You can't manipulate statistics without it being discovered and auditing is not something a major government agency would fool around with," he said. "If you try to make a buck by getting out of a taxi and asking the driver to write you a receipt for $20 when you only paid $15, in any country that form of fraud or theft would be the most easy to discover. So usually if there's corruption, it's would be found at the middleman level in kickbacks or bribes for oil tenders."

Other analysts argued that while the accounting inconsistencies may not point to corruption, they were likely the result of funds appropriated for illicit government initiatives.

"Economic mismanagement is a huge issue and one of the most unreported causes of discontent in the country," Dr Emanuele Ottolenghi, an Iran expert and the executive director of the Transatlantic Institute, told The Media Line. "There is liberal use of state revenue to fund activities that are not necessarily audited, such as nuclear procurement, terrorism and funding insurgencies abroad. These things don't appear in the state budget in a transparent fashion."

"There is growing resentment among workers over state money being used to fund the Palestinians or similar causes rather than for infrastructure that would help the Iranian population," Dr Ottolenghi said. "So the fact that there is profound economic mismanagement, corruption and vast disparities in accounting is neither new nor surprising. What's significant is that somebody in the political system is using it as a tool to criticize the government."

bold is key points, underline is Very shocking and important numbers


Yea its a Jpost link, but numbers are numbers.


It doesnt really surprise me that this is happening. This is just another way to show how corrupt the government is.


stealing 66 billion dollars is a lot of money in a couple of years. more than madoff (relative) in his lifetime, especially from the economy of Iran.

 

JS80

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Anyone remember how much did Arafat stole?

I bet all that money sitting pretty in Swiss bank accounts.
 

Lemon law

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That allegation that the Achmadinejad administration may be playing cooking the books and playing fast and loose with the facts does not or should not shock anyone. But as long as Iran is not ripping off foreign entities that have legitimate rather than illegitimate claims, makes it solely an Iranian internal matter.

As for me, I am still seeking an accounting regarding all those pallet loads of dollars sent to Iraq. And all that Halliburton and Blackwater fraud.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
That allegation that the Achmadinejad administration may be playing cooking the books and playing fast and loose with the facts does not or should not shock anyone. But as long as Iran is not ripping off foreign entities that have legitimate rather than illegitimate claims, makes it solely an Iranian internal matter.

As for me, I am still seeking an accounting regarding all those pallet loads of dollars sent to Iraq. And all that Halliburton and Blackwater fraud.

Whether or not it affects foreign entities should not cloud the concern.


If a government is doing stuff like this. stealing billions from the people, possibly for weapons and destructions against other countries.

Corruption on one level is corruption on every level.

for example: there is no such thing as a specific part of gun that is responsible for a murder. it completely is responsible. (excluding the human factor)

lets not turn this into an Iraq thread or either an Israel thread, cause apparently thats where all these threads end up.

I want to discuss issues with IRAN only.

 

0marTheZealot

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lol, let a reputable news source pick this up. I'd trust the JP on Mideast matters as much as I'd trust KKK writings on Africa.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law

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As for me, I am still seeking an accounting regarding all those pallet loads of dollars sent to Iraq. And all that Halliburton and Blackwater fraud.

This is internal to Iran - please do not attempt to hijack the thread


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Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.
 

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.
 

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FEAR! FEAR! FEEEEAAAAAARRRRR! I-Ran is gunna use that money to build nuculur bumbs to kill Amuricans at the Sooper Bowl! FFFFFEEEAAAARRRR!!!!!!

What else ya got?
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.

Uhhhh... from your own article:

"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

So, it's simply an internal matter in Iran and how they internally spend their money and how it's accounted for. To try and twist this into some sort of international issue is idiotic.
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.

Uhhhh... from your own article:

"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

So, it's simply an internal matter in Iran and how they internally spend their money and how it's accounted for. To try and twist this into some sort of international issue is idiotic.

did you only read that entire paragraph or only the bold?


its going to overlap into international problems, but for the most part this topic was brought on to talk about the internal problems in Iran
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.

Uhhhh... from your own article:

"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

So, it's simply an internal matter in Iran and how they internally spend their money and how it's accounted for. To try and twist this into some sort of international issue is idiotic.

did you only read that entire paragraph or only the bold?


its going to overlap into international problems, but for the most part this topic was brought on to talk about the internal problems in Iran

Sigh. Yes, I read it, perhaps you should as well. There is not even an allegation of theft. There is simply disagreement over transparency of where the money went and what it was spent on. That would be strictly an Iranian issue, no different than the US public not knowing how much of the TARP money was spent. This kind of stuff is what makes jpost laughable as a 'source' for anything.
 

Freshgeardude

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.

Uhhhh... from your own article:

"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

So, it's simply an internal matter in Iran and how they internally spend their money and how it's accounted for. To try and twist this into some sort of international issue is idiotic.

did you only read that entire paragraph or only the bold?


its going to overlap into international problems, but for the most part this topic was brought on to talk about the internal problems in Iran

Sigh. Yes, I read it, perhaps you should as well. There is not even an allegation of theft. There is simply disagreement over transparency of where the money went and what it was spent on. That would be strictly an Iranian issue, no different than the US public not knowing how much of the TARP money was spent. This kind of stuff is what makes jpost laughable as a 'source' for anything.

except money from the US government doesnt go directly into funding terrorism and stockpile on weapons.


secondly, another discussion is, if what was said is true, that some of the money could be used to re-assure Ahmadinejad's election, that destroys the so-called "freedom" that they claim to have
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.

Uhhhh... from your own article:

"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

So, it's simply an internal matter in Iran and how they internally spend their money and how it's accounted for. To try and twist this into some sort of international issue is idiotic.

did you only read that entire paragraph or only the bold?


its going to overlap into international problems, but for the most part this topic was brought on to talk about the internal problems in Iran

Sigh. Yes, I read it, perhaps you should as well. There is not even an allegation of theft. There is simply disagreement over transparency of where the money went and what it was spent on. That would be strictly an Iranian issue, no different than the US public not knowing how much of the TARP money was spent. This kind of stuff is what makes jpost laughable as a 'source' for anything.

except money from the US government doesnt go directly into funding terrorism and stockpile on weapons.


secondly, another discussion is, if what was said is true, that some of the money could be used to re-assure Ahmadinejad's election, that destroys the so-called "freedom" that they claim to have

No, we fund "resistance groups", simply terrorists with a politically correct label. The US stockpiles more weapons than anyone else, you don't see the hypocrisy in that? We spend, literally, a trillion dollars on arms. When another country "stockpiles' weapons, somehow that's a bad thing?

What Iran does with it's money is Iran's business. You are simply stirring the pot implying that 60+ billion dollars are being funneled into black book projects.
 

Double Trouble

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Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Ok, there isn't even an allegation that any money was stolen, the accusation is that the Iranian government used the large sums in "non-transparent ways". Who the heck cares how Iran internally uses money and whether it's transparent or not? Why the heck is this even a story? Oh, yeah, because it's jpost, a laughing stock in terms of credibility.

so now your going on to insult the Iranian organizations which found these numbers out?



the money is going somewhere. they are stealing it and to buying weapons.

Uhhhh... from your own article:

"We do not think that this money is stolen, not at all," Bastani clarified. "What is important is that the government is using such huge amounts of money in a non-transparent way. Whether it is to assure the re-election of Ahmadinejad or other secret military or intelligence projects doesn't really matter. Every dollar made from oil exports should be sent to the Central Bank."

So, it's simply an internal matter in Iran and how they internally spend their money and how it's accounted for. To try and twist this into some sort of international issue is idiotic.

did you only read that entire paragraph or only the bold?


its going to overlap into international problems, but for the most part this topic was brought on to talk about the internal problems in Iran

Sigh. Yes, I read it, perhaps you should as well. There is not even an allegation of theft. There is simply disagreement over transparency of where the money went and what it was spent on. That would be strictly an Iranian issue, no different than the US public not knowing how much of the TARP money was spent. This kind of stuff is what makes jpost laughable as a 'source' for anything.

except money from the US government doesnt go directly into funding terrorism and stockpile on weapons.

Ah, so now we arrive at the real core of the problem: you just don't like/trust Iran and how it spends its money etc, and this article has absolutely nothing to do with that. That's fine, I don't like or trust the nutjobs in Iran either, but that still does not make an internal disagreement over transparency / expenditure an international issue.

secondly, another discussion is, if what was said is true, that some of the money could be used to re-assure Ahmadinejad's election, that destroys the so-called "freedom" that they claim to have

... and that would be your concern how? Does it matter if Ahmedwhatshisface got elected in a free and fair election? The country is run by a set of Quran thumping nutjobs, no mater who gets "elected".

 

zoiks

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Dude we know that you're Jewish so obviously that explains your hostility towards Iran.