Iranian Agents in Iraq

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BAGHDAD, Dec. 29 -- Two senior Iranian operatives who were detained by U.S. forces in Iraq and were strongly suspected of planning attacks against American military forces and Iraqi targets were expelled to Iran on Friday, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials.
U.S. defense officials familiar with the raids said the captured Iranians had detailed weapons lists, documents pertaining to shipments of weapons into Iraq, organizational charts, telephone records and maps, among other sensitive intelligence information. Officials were particularly concerned by the fact that the Iranians had information about importing modern, specially shaped explosive charges into Iraq, weapons that have been used in roadside bombs to target U.S. military armored vehicles.
The Iraqi government decided to honor Tehran's claims that the two detainees had diplomatic immunity. U.S. officials had argued that although the men had diplomatic passports, they were operating under aliases and therefore not immune.

Nice, claim diplomatic immunity, and they're free to go.

If anybody has other articles about Iranian agents in Iraq, please feel free to contribute.


EDIT #1: Iran's Secret Plan For Mayhem
 

rickn

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maybe we should leave, then we don't have to worry about them plotting to kill us in Iraq
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: rickn
maybe we should leave, then we don't have to worry about them plotting to kill us in Iraq

YEAH! Then we can worry about them plotting to kill us here in America instead!
 

techs

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Gee, you just heard of this? It happened back in 2006
I guess our invasion will end up helping Iran gain influence over Iraq
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: rickn
maybe we should leave, then we don't have to worry about them plotting to kill us in Iraq

YEAH! Then we can worry about them plotting to kill us here in America instead!

how? they have no means to attack us. with the way our security is now, a terrorist organization from pretty much any part of the world could smuggle something into this country. why would necessarily be Iran? And we will take our their nuke capabities in due time, you just watch. but that doesn't explain why we are in Iraq.
 

dahunan

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Alert: American agents in Iraq.. death toll now reaches at least 30-50 thousand

*update - FYI - Iraq never killed a single American citizen until we went in and killed 10's of thousands of theirs

boogety boogety boo
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: rickn
maybe we should leave, then we don't have to worry about them plotting to kill us in Iraq

YEAH! Then we can worry about them plotting to kill us here in America instead!

how? they have no means to attack us. with the way our security is now, a terrorist organization from pretty much any part of the world could smuggle something into this country. why would necessarily be Iran? And we will take our their nuke capabities in due time, you just watch. but that doesn't explain why we are in Iraq.

Iranians can worry about the US plotting to kill them.

I'd like to see the Iranian president say they're fighting the US in Iraq so that they don't have to fight them in Iran. At least he'd have a point.
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: dahunan
*update - FYI - Iraq never killed a single American citizen until we went in and killed 10's of thousands of theirs

So, you claim that bullets fired by US soldiers or bombs dropped by US planes are responsible for the deaths caused by secterian violence?

You are truly deranged.
 

palehorse

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No amount of proof will ever convince the tinfoil-wearing far-left fanatics here at P&N that Iran is directly responsible for the murder of American soldiers in Iraq. A photo with the Iranian President pushing the button of an IED in Baghdad would still not be enough to condemn Iran for their actions. The freaks here would likely say "they had it coming!" or "They deserve it!" or "Bush made the Iranian President kill them!" or....

In other words, some of the fanatics here on P&N are beyond reason. so GL!
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
*update - FYI - Iraq never killed a single American citizen until we went in and killed 10's of thousands of theirs

So, you claim that bullets fired by US soldiers or bombs dropped by US planes are responsible for the deaths caused by secterian violence?

You are truly deranged.


You are a serious jackass... SO.. you are telling us that the first year+ of our agression against Iraq never killed anyone..and especially never killed any innocents

Go ahead.. tell us all..

I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...

 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...

Tens of thousands?
You asserted a range (30-50), but did not back it up.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
*update - FYI - Iraq never killed a single American citizen until we went in and killed 10's of thousands of theirs

So, you claim that bullets fired by US soldiers or bombs dropped by US planes are responsible for the deaths caused by secterian violence?

You are truly deranged.


You are a serious jackass... SO.. you are telling us that the first year+ of our agression against Iraq never killed anyone..and especially never killed any innocents

Go ahead.. tell us all..

I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...


Actually, in this case, you are the jackass....SO.. your are telling us that US soldiers have killed 10s of thousands of Iraqi civilians?

I hate you people who try to blame every dead civilian on US soldiers.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...

Tens of thousands?
You asserted a range (30-50), but did not back it up.


Bush agreed with the 50,000 number himself..

What are your estimates.. or do you just want to ignore it?
 

piasabird

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Tell me why we did not arrest them and shoot them as spies? Obviously they qualified as enemy combatants or terrorists.

At the minimum we should be holding retalitory air strikes in Iran.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...

Tens of thousands?
You asserted a range (30-50), but did not back it up.


Bush agreed with the 50,000 number himself..

What are your estimates.. or do you just want to ignore it?

You are saying (at least thats how it looks) that we directly killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Is this what you honestly believe?

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...

Tens of thousands?
You asserted a range (30-50), but did not back it up.


Bush agreed with the 50,000 number himself..

What are your estimates.. or do you just want to ignore it?

You are saying (at least thats how it looks) that we directly killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Is this what you honestly believe?

Answer this

If China invaded the USA... Would you take up arms against them and do all you could to kill help your country defeat them even if you were not a member of the armed forces?

When you die.. what were you.. a civilian or a member of the armed forces?

Or.. if we were threatened by China with shock and awe because they wanted to remove the neocons from power and they attacked and their smart bombs killed many real civilians as collateral damage.. would you just forgive them because they didn't mean to kill civilians -- add some spice.. some of them were your blood relatives


>>>..EDIT I see you used the word diirectly ... I would say directly but not intentionally.. Truth ... if we weren't they .. then we wouldn't have killed anyone.. right?
 

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Corbett said

YEAH! Then we can worry about them plotting to kill us here in America instead!

Assuming the [neocon/Bush] plan is to launch a preemptive, hegemonic war against Iran.

And the Democrats don't have a plan.

Therefore, their plan of conquest is validated.

The term "non sequitur" was invented to describe this kind of "reasoning."

How does one debate an argument on the "merits" when the argument is complete lunacy?

Or is this more Faux News false equivalency? "Some say the Holocaust happened, some say it didn't, lets discuss this dispute on the "merits".

Attacking Iran is insane. I can explain the idiocy of the attack-Iran argument with one word: Iraq.

We are becomeing irrelevent in Iraq and that was 1/10th as hard as Iran.

Not to mention we've completely depleted our military in Iraq and gotten 3,000 kids killed as a result of that folly.

Debating attacking Iran on the "merits" is, by definition, an impossibility.

Therefore, you can rightly asks the next question: How do we marginalize the total and complete nutcases that continue to be given a mainstream voice in our media?

I would suggest that we not only ignore people like this , but we begin to refuse to accept the terms of debate that they set out for us. Rest assured that by simply pointing out the facts, people will accuse you of being Ahmadinejad?s puppy and whatever else. The same dynamic happened to anyone who was against the Iraq war...

You could say that these pundits need to be engaged so that they may be brought to some common agreement. If we go along with the rational thinker, how could any such resolution occur? Well, it could not.

There has been the suggestion that people like this or even the President, are hopeless and should be ignored so that our limited energies can be directed to those not already committed to their dead end proposals.


This assumes that the rational thinker is going to be able to persuade those sitting on the fence whereas instapundits and those like him cannot. We should not be so blind. Just because the rational thinker believes that his opposition is insane or unreasonable will not prevent them from using the arguments and evidence at their disposal to solidify converts to their side.

The fact is these neo con pundits came to their positions by arguments. They did not just develop some kind of organic imbalances that could be treated pharmaceutically.

I repeat this quote:

"Rest assured that by simply pointing out the facts, people will accuse you of being Ahmadinejad?s puppy and whatever else. The same dynamic happened to anyone who was against the Iraq war."


You would think this quote means some opposition to the invasion of Iraq, and so one should expect the same tactic for Iran,and could not overcome the argument that, "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists." I was not surprised that pointing out facts could not overcome the arguments that the President put forward. The mere presentation of facts, mumbled quietly, is not the presentation of an argument. No one really understood what position the facts were supposed to support. Was the idea that an attack on Iraq would be wrong because they did not then present any real threat to anyone? Then you might have shown the relevance of facts.

It will be wrong to attack Iran and pointing this out is not speaking on behalf of the President of Iran. Pointing out that we should do the right thing is not a biased prejudice.




 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Bush agreed with the 50,000 number himself..

What are your estimates.. or do you just want to ignore it?

Bush agreed that 50,000 civilians were killed by US soldiers and US bombs?

What are you smoking?
 

palehorse

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The US has not directly killed 30k-50k innocent civilians. The worst that could be said is that our presence in Iraq has led to the death of those civilians. Their actual murders were at the hands of insurgents and terrorists -- fellow Muslims -- but the far-left loves to blame the US soldiers instead; which is an out-right lie.

Are we partially responsible? Perhaps we are. But we certainly did not directly kill that many civilians; and I'm sick of seeing people say that we have.
 

keird

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: dahunan
*update - FYI - Iraq never killed a single American citizen until we went in and killed 10's of thousands of theirs

So, you claim that bullets fired by US soldiers or bombs dropped by US planes are responsible for the deaths caused by secterian violence?

You are truly deranged.


You are a serious jackass... SO.. you are telling us that the first year+ of our agression against Iraq never killed anyone..and especially never killed any innocents

Go ahead.. tell us all..

I hate you people who try ot cover up the killings we caused by pointing to the CURRENT sectarian violence...

And I dismiss your points. There we are. Which war was perfect, Jackass? Which one war was perfect? War isn't about killing people. To the misinformed, perhaps it?s about that. This war isn't a conspiracy; this war is about changing will. All wars have been about changing the will of another. Civilians die in every war. That's another reason why war is horrible; the death, destruction, loss and sheer waste is incomprehensible. And even those words are glib when actually confronted with it.

In your mind, I?m just attempting to ?cover-up? the deaths of civilians in Iraq, aren?t I? Am I attempting to justify the unjustifiable, Jackass? The outrage! From your comfortable home with internet access, you wonder, ?How could he possibly comprehend what has been done?! The innocents murdered!?

Maybe you can be in a perfect war and impose your perfect will; but you?ll actually have to go on a battlefield in order to do this, won?t you?

Well, if you keep typing away ? if you try hard enough, if you keep at it long enough, and if you are persistent enough? maybe, just maybe you?ll actually impact something. But I doubt it. I mean, just look at you?re target audience (AT P&N). There are more pragmatic ways, though. Join the U.S. Military. Heck, even the Peace Corps or the State Department. Do something, would you?
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
No amount of proof will ever convince the tinfoil-wearing far-left fanatics here at P&N that Iran is directly responsible for the murder of American soldiers in Iraq. A photo with the Iranian President pushing the button of an IED in Baghdad would still not be enough to condemn Iran for their actions. The freaks here would likely say "they had it coming!" or "They deserve it!" or "Bush made the Iranian President kill them!" or....

In other words, some of the fanatics here on P&N are beyond reason. so GL!

People die in wars. Isn't that how you excuse our killing Iraq citizens? How many Iranians died because of our support of Iraq in their war? How is that any better? That is the thing you jingoistic war-lovers can not get. Iran is in the wrong but so is the US.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: palehorse74
No amount of proof will ever convince the tinfoil-wearing far-left fanatics here at P&N that Iran is directly responsible for the murder of American soldiers in Iraq. A photo with the Iranian President pushing the button of an IED in Baghdad would still not be enough to condemn Iran for their actions. The freaks here would likely say "they had it coming!" or "They deserve it!" or "Bush made the Iranian President kill them!" or....

In other words, some of the fanatics here on P&N are beyond reason. so GL!

People die in wars. Isn't that how you excuse our killing Iraq citizens? How many Iranians died because of our support of Iraq in their war? How is that any better? That is the thing you jingoistic war-lovers can not get. Iran is in the wrong but so is the US.
"war-lovers"? where do you get that sh*t?!

I absolutely despise man's tendencies to make war. That said, I also understand why said tendencies are sometimes necessary.

I often put it this way: "I am in the one line of work wherein I would love to wake up one day and have no 'customers,' and no work to do."

However, reality won't allow that to occur any time soon. Unfortunately, there is work to do. I do not enjoy that fact, but someone has to do it. So here I am.
 

keird

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
[People die in wars. Isn't that how you excuse our killing Iraq citizens? How many Iranians died because of our support of Iraq in their war? How is that any better? That is the thing you jingoistic war-lovers can not get. Iran is in the wrong but so is the US.
"war-lovers"? where do you get that sh*t?!

I absolutely despise man's tendencies to make war. That said, I also understand why said tendencies are sometimes necessary.

I often put it this way: "I am in the one line of work wherein I would love to wake up one day and have no 'customers,' and no work to do."

However, reality won't allow that to occur any time soon. Unfortunately, there is work to do. I do not enjoy that fact, but someone has to do it. So here I am.[/quote]

"The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war."
General Douglas MacArthur

 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: Ldir
People die in wars. Isn't that how you excuse our killing Iraq citizens? How many Iranians died because of our support of Iraq in their war? How is that any better? That is the thing you jingoistic war-lovers can not get. Iran is in the wrong but so is the US.

The vast majority of civilians deaths is being caused by secterian violence -- violence that was not instigated by the US army. Deal with it.
 

Gamingphreek

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For all you left wing people, what do you propose we do when we come across an insurgent that is firing at us (By us you mean soldiers)

A.) Attempt to arrest the man that is willing to take his life if he might kill ours in the process
B.) Kill him

I would love to see some of you guys over there trying to arrest the very people whose primary objective is to cause as much suffering as possible.

Additionally, please answer me this. Yes or no, no explanation needed just yes or no: Were the troops in Iraq given orders that read something similar to "Kill all civilians regardless of their actions"?

*Remember for those of you who can't comprehend this, Yes or No answer only*

-Kevin