Iran Wants Direct Talks....Don't They?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/...R2008111203075_pf.html

Facing Obama, Iran Suddenly Hedges on Talks

By Thomas Erdbrink
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 13, 2008; A01

TEHRAN, Nov. 12 -- Since 2006, Iran's leaders have called for direct, unconditional talks with the United States to resolve international concerns over their nuclear program. But as an American administration open to such negotiations prepares to take power, Iran's political and military leaders are sounding suddenly wary of President-elect Barack Obama.

"People who put on a mask of friendship, but with the objective of betrayal, and who enter from the angle of negotiations without preconditions, are more dangerous," Hossein Taeb, deputy commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, said Wednesday, according to the semiofficial Mehr News Agency.

"The power holders in the new American government are trying to regain their lost influence with a tactical change in their foreign diplomacy. They are shifting from a hard conflict to a soft attack," Taeb said.

For Iran's leaders, the only state of affairs worse than poor relations with the United States may be improved relations. The Shiite Muslim clerics who rule the country came to power after ousting Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a U.S.-backed autocrat, in their 1979 Islamic revolution. Opposition to the United States, long vilified as the "great Satan" here in Friday sermons, remains one of the main pillars of Iranian politics.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sent Obama a congratulatory letter last week, but by Wednesday his welcoming tone had dissipated. "It doesn't make any difference for us who comes and who goes," he said in a speech in the northern town of Sari. "It's their actions which are studied by the Iranian and world nations."

On Wednesday, Iran test-fired a two-stage, solid-fuel rocket, Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammed Najjar announced on state television. He said the missile had a range of 1,200 miles -- meaning that it could reach Israel and U.S. targets in the Middle East.

In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said that he could not "independently confirm media reports indicating an Iranian missile launch," but added that "Iran's missile program is a concern that poses a threat to its neighbors in the region and beyond."

In recent interviews, advisers to Ahmadinejad said the new U.S. administration would have to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq, show respect for Iran's system of rule by a supreme religious leader, and withdraw its objections to Iran's nuclear program before it can enter into negotiations with the Iranian government.

"The U.S. must prove that their policies have changed and are now based upon respecting the rights of the Iranian nation and mutual respect," said Mojtaba Samareh Hashemi, the president's closest adviser.

Ahmadinejad's media adviser, Mehdi Kalhor, said that "in fair circumstances" Iran would be open to talks. "But that is not when you have a bayonet pressed at your artery," he added, referring to the U.S. forces deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf.

Iran's leaders have long said they want to resolve the international concerns over the country's nuclear program through negotiations. Western governments have expressed concern that Iran's enrichment of uranium and other nuclear activities have been part of a weapons program.

The Bush administration has demanded that Iran suspend uranium enrichment before talks can take place, a precondition that Iran has rejected on the grounds that the nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. In 2006, Ahmadinejad said that Iran "is after negotiations, but fair and just negotiations. They must be without any conditions."

Obama has advocated "direct tough presidential diplomacy with Iran, without preconditions," according to his campaign Web site, and has said a nuclear-armed Iran would be unacceptable.

Two weeks ago, in comments that may have set the tone for some of the rhetoric being used to describe the incoming U.S. administration, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, said the conflicts between the two countries were deep-rooted and went beyond political differences.

"This is because of the numerous conspiracies of the U.S. government against the Iranian country and nation throughout the last 50 years, and not only have they not apologized for this but they have continued their arrogant actions," said Khamenei, speaking at a commemoration of the taking of 52 hostages at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979. Khamenei has final say in all matters of foreign policy.

Kalhor, Ahmadinejad's media adviser, said Iran's "policies and position towards America have not changed at all." He added: "Our problems with America are strategic."

The list of outstanding issues between the two governments is long. Apart from suspicions over Iran's nuclear program and concerns about its development of missiles, the United States opposes Iran's support for the Palestinian Hamas movement and Hezbollah in Lebanon, two organizations branded as "terrorist" by the Bush administration.

Iranian leaders see themselves as flag-bearers in a struggle against what they call the "global imperialist system," meaning the United States and Israel. Iran's nuclear program has become a test case to prove its independence from the West. The Iranian leadership does not recognize Israel as a state and refuses all contact with the country.

In comments during his first news conference, Obama set some Iranian leaders on edge. "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. We have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening," Obama said. "Iran's support of terrorist organizations, I think, is something that has to cease."

Ali Larijani, speaker of Iran's parliament and a political rival to Ahmadinejad, heard echoes of the past. "Obama's words were tantamount to moving on the previous wrong track," Larijani told reporters.

In 2007, Iran and the United States held direct ambassador-level talks on the security situation in Iraq. A year later, Larijani said it was wrong to say improvements in Iraqi security were thanks to the U.S. "surge" in troop numbers. "Credit should go to the Iraqi government and its neighbors," he said.

Iran is increasingly worried by a possible security pact between the United States and Iraq that would provide a legal basis for American combat troops to remain in the country until the end of 2011.

"Any pact that would guarantee the presence of U.S. forces in the region would not be regarded as valid by Iran," Kalhor said.

Samareh Hashemi said Obama's campaign promises regarding Iraq were one of the reasons that Ahmadinejad sent his congratulatory letter.

"Mr. Obama has mentioned a program for the withdrawal of U.S. forces in Iraq. He explicitly said that he does not support U.S. troops remaining in Iraq. He said he would have a specific program and timetable to get the troops out. This all deserved Iran's attention," Samareh Hashemi said.

He also said Obama drew support from American voters because of his positions on foreign policy.

"Generally, all of these issues were merged into one slogan: change. But that must mean change of current policies, change of militaristic policies, change in the unacceptable meddling in the affairs of other countries," he said.

"If these policies really change, then the deep gap, the distance between Iran and the U.S., will become less. If these promises are acted upon, there will be more chance for closeness between the two nations," Samareh Hashemi said.

Obama would not be welcome in Iran as president, were he to decide to come here, Kalhor said. "He can come as a tourist."

Facing Bush, who has telegraphed his entire policy as "with us or against us", it's fairly simple for any opposing nation to claim they want direct talks, since they know Bush would never accept them. Using this scenario, Iran gains respect and credibility within the international community as they seem to be the party who wants peace.

Enter president-elect Obama. Facing the prospect of actually holding negotiations and being forced to make good on their word, Iran now sows the seeds of distrust to provide cover for their ultimate retreat from negotiation. Loudly advocating for direct talks since 2006, with the option now in sight, they hedge and start faltering.

Already the world is taking note that shit is gonna be different. If Obama can actually raise the level of international dialogue, we may see some progress on the world stage.

(Obama doesn't have enough on his plate, I thought promising world peace would keep him busy)
 

yllus

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Meh. They're going to build and deploy nuclear weapons whether the U.S., Israel, China, Russia or any other damn nation likes it. The only difference is that now they can't pretend that it's negotiable.
 

StageLeft

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I think talks are a great idea. What the hell do you lose besides the price of an airline ticket? Time to put hubris aside; the US is in a fully dominant position so should not have the poor self-esteem to feel in any way slighted by talking with Iran. It's the right thing to do.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Iran sounds more afraid of Obama than Bush! Hilarious . . .

Well, Bush was easy to classify. Obama is taking them seriously but it isn't what they want. If what this article is true (regarding their mindset), it looks like they were just stalling for time all along and have been exposed. The only question is, what will Obama do.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
without precondition!

Across the table!

Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Iran sounds more afraid of Obama than Bush! Hilarious . . .

Well, Bush was easy to classify. Obama is taking them seriously but it isn't what they want. If what this article is true (regarding their mindset), it looks like they were just stalling for time all along and have been exposed. The only question is, what will Obama do.

Yeah. It's easy to play the victim when the other guy doesn't want to talk to you. Then all of a sudden they change their minds and it completely turns the tables.

This is like letting a dog "win" at tug of war. They don't want to win, they want to play! Iran doesn't want to talk with the U.S., they want us to keep refusing to talk to them so they have more ammo for their anti-American propaganda machine back home.

(And yes, I'm a liberal and I just used the words "anti-American propaganda machine" in a serious context!)

Last thing they want is for the rest of the world to LIKE us again!
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Iran sounds more afraid of Obama than Bush! Hilarious . . .

Obama doesn't have the baggage Bush has. He comes in default with more credibility and support.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Iran sounds more afraid of Obama than Bush! Hilarious . . .

Well, Bush was easy to classify. Obama is taking them seriously but it isn't what they want. If what this article is true (regarding their mindset), it looks like they were just stalling for time all along and have been exposed. The only question is, what will Obama do.

There's also some basis for a successful strategy for dealing with closed-nations like Iran and North Korea by attempting to open them up. Refusing to talk to them and labeling them as part of some ridiculous "axis of evil" is essentially playing right into their hands and giving their leaders more power and leverage.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Iran sounds more afraid of Obama than Bush! Hilarious . . .

Obama doesn't have the baggage Bush has. He comes in default with more credibility and support.
I think that is exactly what is making Iran's leadership so nervous... Dealing with Iran will certainly be one of Obama's toughest tests.

1) Domestic economy
2) Iraq
3) Afghanistan (Taliban and AQ)
4) Iran
5) Energy solutions

He certainly has his work cut out for him...
 

Nemesis 1

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I believe 100% that Obama is going to come to a peace agreement with the middle east.

Fact is I am betting on it.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I believe 100% that Obama is going to come to a peace agreement with the middle east.

Fact is I am betting on it.

Kill the jews, arabs take Israel out, peace in the middle east?
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I believe 100% that Obama is going to come to a peace agreement with the middle east.

Fact is I am betting on it.

Kill the jews, arabs take Israel out, peace in the middle east?

bingo or just relocated Israel to a nice beach front location, far far away from the Arabs.
 

Aimster

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All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:
 

filetitan

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as things progress they become more reliant on China/Russia which might hamper negotiations with them.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:laugh:

fixed
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:

& this is confusing to you how?

What has the U.S offered Iran for them to end their nuclear plans? Nothing. Bunch of stuff Iran can just buy from Russia/China. It might be cheap but it will work.

The leadership of Iran cares about their economy. Not what kind of plane can fly people around.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:

& this is confusing to you how?

What has the U.S offered Iran for them to end their nuclear plans? Nothing. Bunch of stuff Iran can just buy from Russia/China. It might be cheap but it will work.

The leadership of Iran cares about their economy. Not what kind of plane can fly people around.

The fact that you think Iran would give up its weapons program for anything is laughable.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:

& this is confusing to you how?

What has the U.S offered Iran for them to end their nuclear plans? Nothing. Bunch of stuff Iran can just buy from Russia/China. It might be cheap but it will work.

The leadership of Iran cares about their economy. Not what kind of plane can fly people around.

The fact that you think Iran would give up its weapons program for anything is laughable.

Their GDP would double in 3-4 years.
I think GDP growth of 20-30% a year is plenty for the Iranian leadership to give up their nuclear plans.


 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:

& this is confusing to you how?

What has the U.S offered Iran for them to end their nuclear plans? Nothing. Bunch of stuff Iran can just buy from Russia/China. It might be cheap but it will work.

The leadership of Iran cares about their economy. Not what kind of plane can fly people around.

The fact that you think Iran would give up its weapons program for anything is laughable.

Their GDP would double in 3-4 years.
I think GDP growth of 20-30% a year is plenty for the Iranian leadership to give up their nuclear plans.

More money they can pump into a secret Nuke program and hezbollah.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:

& this is confusing to you how?

What has the U.S offered Iran for them to end their nuclear plans? Nothing. Bunch of stuff Iran can just buy from Russia/China. It might be cheap but it will work.

The leadership of Iran cares about their economy. Not what kind of plane can fly people around.

The fact that you think Iran would give up its weapons program for anything is laughable.

Their GDP would double in 3-4 years.
I think GDP growth of 20-30% a year is plenty for the Iranian leadership to give up their nuclear plans.

More money they can pump into a secret Nuke program and hezbollah.

You don't even know what the purpose of Hezbollah is.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Aimster
All Obama has to do is lift sanctions and Iran will stop their nuclear program. Otherwise a bunch of 747s and other crap is laughable when Iran can just turn to China/Russia.

:roll:

& this is confusing to you how?

What has the U.S offered Iran for them to end their nuclear plans? Nothing. Bunch of stuff Iran can just buy from Russia/China. It might be cheap but it will work.

The leadership of Iran cares about their economy. Not what kind of plane can fly people around.

The fact that you think Iran would give up its weapons program for anything is laughable.

Their GDP would double in 3-4 years.
I think GDP growth of 20-30% a year is plenty for the Iranian leadership to give up their nuclear plans.


Wait, they didnt care about getting the sanctions in the first place, why would they give up the program to remove them? :confused:

They want the bomb. They dont give a flying sh*t about their GDP when it comes to being in the exclusive "club." They are going to have to be stopped by force.