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Iran urges China to intervene in Palestinian conflict

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<< Jiang said China supported Palestinian rights as defined by U.N. resolutions, the radio reported. >>



China complaining about possible human rights violations. LOL. That's almost as funny as Egypt and Jordan worrying about Palestinians after they collectively tried to wipe them off the face of the earth.
 
I'm not a religious man but if China gets involved in this in a major way, that's eerily close to some versions of the Armageddon prophecy I've heard floating around since about 1999.
 


<< I'm not a religious man but if China gets involved in this in a major way, that's eerily close to some versions of the Armageddon prophecy I've heard floating around since about 1999. >>



Don't sweat it man. China didn't do a thing about it yet, and I doubt they will. It'll be the ultimate hypocracy (sp?).
 
What can China do exactly? Get militarily involved? No, they know they can't pull off a military operation outside their region. Just how are they going to get people there? They have no navy to speak of and the Israeli Air Force would destroy any attempt by them to land people in the region. Plus how many of the Chinese soldiers would really want to fight? Remember these guys are conscripts and we all saw what happened to the Iraqi conscripts when we started rolling up on them in Desert Storm.
 


<< What can China do exactly? Get militarily involved? No, they know they can't pull off a military operation outside their region. Just how are they going to get people there? They have no navy to speak of and the Israeli Air Force would destroy any attempt by them to land people in the region. Plus how many of the Chinese soldiers would really want to fight? Remember these guys are conscripts and we all saw what happened to the Iraqi conscripts with we started rolling up on them in Desert Storm. >>



I'm sure they can do some economic damage if they are so inclined.
 


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<< I'm not a religious man but if China gets involved in this in a major way, that's eerily close to some versions of the Armageddon prophecy I've heard floating around since about 1999. >>

Don't sweat it man. China didn't do a thing about it yet, and I doubt they will. It'll be the ultimate hypocracy (sp?). >>




While I believe China will pass on this, it won't be for fear of hypocracy
 


<< What can China do exactly? Get militarily involved? No, they know they can't pull off a military operation outside their region. Just how are they going to get people there? They have no navy to speak of and the Israeli Air Force would destroy any attempt by them to land people in the region. Plus how many of the Chinese soldiers would really want to fight? Remember these guys are conscripts and we all saw what happened to the Iraqi conscripts when we started rolling up on them in Desert Storm. >>



China is far more nationalistic than Iran. If you think the Chinese army is a paper tiger like Iraq, you would be mistaken. It is solely for lack of transport that China could not move in. Again I don't think they want to as traditionally Chinese culture has been xenophobic. Eventually, they will turn outward and a well armed hundred million man army is nothing to sneeze at. Be wary of the Chinese. I forsee great armed conflicts involving them perhaps later in this century, unless their entire government caves in.
 
As China attempts to become a superpower (for lack of a better term), they need to insert themselves into world politics. The middle east is as good a place as any to get started. All they need now is a way to justify invading Taiwan over the lack of palestinian statehood.
 


<< As China attempts to become a superpower (for lack of a better term), they need to insert themselves into world politics. The middle east is as good a place as any to get started. All they need now is a way to justify invading Taiwan over the lack of palestinian statehood. >>



True, and I believe China will develop their nuclear forces to rival ours, and perhaps exceed it. We would not be in the same cold war scenario as with Russia though, as I dont think China would have backed down from a Cuba like crisis. Indeed if the timing was right, they might have welcomed it.
 


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<< As China attempts to become a superpower (for lack of a better term), they need to insert themselves into world politics. The middle east is as good a place as any to get started. All they need now is a way to justify invading Taiwan over the lack of palestinian statehood. >>



True, and I believe China will develop their nuclear forces to rival ours, and perhaps exceed it. We would not be in the same cold war scenario as with Russia though, as I dont think China would have backed down from a Cuba like crisis. Indeed if the timing was right, they might have welcomed it. >>



I agree. In the US, the military is beholdin' to the politicians for funding. During time of crisis they cut loose with the pursestrings. In time of peace we tend to cut back on defense spending and subsequently get caught with our ass out in the breeze and say it will never happen again.

China on the other hand is doing it one way. Military buildup on a massive scale, conventional and nuclear. The government there has no one to answer to. They spend what they want when they want on what they want and have the luxury of getting no flack from within. The "move to capitalism" evryone is so proud of in China will speed up the process. Once they can back up their foreign policy with a huge projection of force like we can....watch out.

Do not scoff at the Chinese military, ever. Especially without studying it in great detail.
 


<< Do not scoff at the Chinese military, ever. Especially without studying it in great detail. >>

Hey any country that would run over it's own citizens with tanks must be watched with a wary eye.
 


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<< Do not scoff at the Chinese military, ever. Especially without studying it in great detail. >>

Hey any country that would run over it's own citizens with tanks must be watched with a wary eye. >>



Very True.

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There was a TV movie in the 80's called "Countdown to Looking Glass". Take the former Soviet Union out of that scenario and replace it with the Chinese. That is the kind of showdown I think that is more likely in the future between the West and China than it ever was with us and the Soviet Union.
 
Even if China becomes democratic, I don't think they are going to decrease military spending. Through their history, they've learned that firepower=real power. Any democratically elected government will not be any less demanding on the Taiwan issue.


Off topic: One of the subtle reasons that the US continues to support Israel militarily is that if US stops selling arms to Israel, Israel will go to China for military R&D cooperation. Israel's got the brains and China's got the $$. Do you really believe that the US Gov thinks Israel can't defend itself without American weaponry?? One example is the Israel-US Lavi fighter project that was cancelled. Guess what the new Chinese J-10 fighter looks like? You got it. It's almost identical to the Lavi.
 
Transportation? The Chinese have feet, don't they? They don't need planes or boats to get to Israel/Palestine, they can walk if necessary.

Iran asking them to intervene is a bad sign, IMO. This almost assures that Iran would give them right of passage and it also could be the begining of a Chinese orbit of power, somewhat akin to the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. If other Mid East nations also engage China in this way, the shiot will hit the fan eventually.

I can't help but think that Bush's "Triangle of Terror" statement is somehow related to this. Though the US is capable of taking on Iraq, Iran, and even North Korea with conventional weapons(if they thought it was necessary), if China comes into that mix in some fashion, then the US would either need to pull out or use nukes. There is no way that the US could win a conventional war against China in it's backyard as it were.
 
Very interesting...throughout the Arab-Israeli wars (the conventional wars, not the current attrition war), the Soviet Union played a major role...
 
you guys are worrying about nothing... they simply said they support the UN resolutions.

"We are opposed to domination and support settlement of disputes through peaceful negotiations ... We have always supported the just demands of all Arabs, including Palestinians, for the right to territorial integrity,"

i will bet money that china will not enter this, because they're not dumb enough to fight somebody else's war.
 


<< you guys are worrying about nothing... they simply said they support the UN resolutions.

"We are opposed to domination and support settlement of disputes through peaceful negotiations ... We have always supported the just demands of all Arabs, including Palestinians, for the right to territorial integrity,"

i will bet money that china will not enter this, because they're not dumb enough to fight somebody else's war. >>



I just think he's got some kinda ballz to say this: "We are opposed to domination and support settlement of disputes through peaceful negotiations".
Kinda like the way they peacefully negotiated with those wanting democracy in their country. Oh, and let's not get into the Falun Gong mess...
 


<< True, and I believe China will develop their nuclear forces to rival ours, and perhaps exceed it. We would not be in the same cold war scenario as with Russia though, as I dont think China would have backed down from a Cuba like crisis. Indeed if the timing was right, they might have welcomed it. >>



You should have less crack in your diet. Riddle me this, how many nuclear weapons does the US have?

I don't percieve china as a threat. Once the economy starts going strong and a good middle class rises the communists are going to be out of power. As a democracy they will move forward into a path much like those of the western nations. Force projection to protect national interests and nothing more. I doubt China will ever develop the transport capability the US has. Once we all link our economies we can't go to war anymore. A WWIII starting in europe is inconcievable these days, the economies of all the nations are linked. This is why globalization is a good thing, it WILL end war.
 


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<< True, and I believe China will develop their nuclear forces to rival ours, and perhaps exceed it. We would not be in the same cold war scenario as with Russia though, as I dont think China would have backed down from a Cuba like crisis. Indeed if the timing was right, they might have welcomed it. >>



You should have less crack in your diet. Riddle me this, how many nuclear weapons does the US have?

I don't percieve china as a threat. Once the economy starts going strong and a good middle class rises the communists are going to be out of power. As a democracy they will move forward into a path much like those of the western nations. Force projection to protect national interests and nothing more. I doubt China will ever develop the transport capability the US has. Once we all link our economies we can't go to war anymore. A WWIII starting in europe is inconcievable these days, the economies of all the nations are linked. This is why globalization is a good thing, it WILL end war. >>



Ahhh. the Neville Chamberlain school of foreign policy. "We'll have peace in our time".

No one implied all out nuclear war. The threat initially would be a theater specific use of tactical nukes. With tactical nukes, you don't need transport capability. As far as economies linking ending threat of war,
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