Iran testfires new rocket 2000Km range.

[Aimster]

Every Arab nation has plans on the table to build nuclear reactors before 2020. Good Luck

 

[ranmaniac]

The 2000km missile isn't the real threat. It's the tens of thousands of short-range rockets that Hezbollah and Syria have, which a missile defense would be almost useless against. In a shtf situation, they could load wmd warheads, not nukes, but some real nasty stuff like VX and biological warfare stuff.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Title: Iran testfires new rocket 2000Km range.

That's a peaceful nuclear warhead delivery system.

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
We haven't tested any of our anywhere in the world we want to put it missles lately. Maybe now would be a good time.

We just launched one last week.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: RichardE
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Mostafa Mohammed Najjar said on state television Wednesday that the Sajjil was a high-speed missile manufactured at the Iranian Aerospace department of the Defense Ministry. He said it had a range of about 2,000 kilometres....

Hopefully Israel gets leadership with balls soon enough and finishes playing with these guys. Looking forward to a US withdrawl from Iraq, since at that point Israel can fly over Iraq with impunity (since Iraq has no AF afaik).New Link

Fuck Israel

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE
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Mostafa Mohammed Najjar said on state television Wednesday that the Sajjil was a high-speed missile manufactured at the Iranian Aerospace department of the Defense Ministry. He said it had a range of about 2,000 kilometres....

Hopefully Israel gets leadership with balls soon enough and finishes playing with these guys. Looking forward to a US withdrawl from Iraq, since at that point Israel can fly over Iraq with impunity (since Iraq has no AF afaik).New Link

This attitutde is what's going to start the first Nuclear Exchange. Israel does not have the Right to strike Iran or any of Its' neighbours.

Of course not, Israel is suppose to wait til Tel Aviv is a smoldering ruin before it has a right to defend itself. Hell, you guys would probally still say Israel shouldn't do anything since it would have brought it on itself (like when Israel was being bombed with suicide bombers).

Sorry, your attitude is going to be the cause of massive loss of life in the middle east since Israel will nuke everyone else with it if it is going down. It's better to take Iran out of commission than have a full blow war in the ME with multiple countries being destroyed.

Actually, if the entire Middle East was wiped out it would solve a stack of problems.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE
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Mostafa Mohammed Najjar said on state television Wednesday that the Sajjil was a high-speed missile manufactured at the Iranian Aerospace department of the Defense Ministry. He said it had a range of about 2,000 kilometres....

Hopefully Israel gets leadership with balls soon enough and finishes playing with these guys. Looking forward to a US withdrawl from Iraq, since at that point Israel can fly over Iraq with impunity (since Iraq has no AF afaik).New Link

This attitutde is what's going to start the first Nuclear Exchange. Israel does not have the Right to strike Iran or any of Its' neighbours.

They've done it before, they'll do it again. Hopefully before they actually achieve "the bomb"

Which is why Mid-Eastern Nations "Need" Nukes. They are being forced to go Nuclear by a rogue Nation that violates Sovereignty at will.

If Israel wants to exist there, then it needs to adapt to the Region. So far it has done a piss poor job with that. Eventually their Agressive behaviour will catch up with them.

LOL! You realize that there are countries and militias that are hellbent on Israel's destruction, right?

The racist fundamental Islamists over there absolutely HATE the jews. I guess you are on that train as well.

Oh, I see. Israel has a choice, so far it's choosing foolishly. Hitting Iran would be stupidity.

Israel has a choice to pro-actively protect itself which is should use. Destroying Irans ability to launch any attacks would do nothing but help further peace in the middle east. If Iran wants to be left alone and be allowed to "progress" peacefully they should pursue peaceful activities, funding terrorism and extremists when declaring there intent to destroy Israel and pursuing activities to reach that goal is not the work of a "peaceful" nation.

And dishing out "collective punishment" on the palestinians (which is illegal under the geneva convention) is not the work of a "peaceful" nation.

 

[RichardE]

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And dishing out "collective punishment" on the palestinians (which is illegal under the geneva convention) is not the work of a "peaceful" nation.

I never said Israel was a peacefull nation, I said Israel is trying to ensure its survival. Israel never claimed to be "peacefull" it merely defends itself and is pro-active in its survival in a area of the world that would like nothing better than to see it destroyed.


Not to mention "collective punishment" along with the wall has all but eliminated suicide bombers.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
The moment anyone attacks another nation with a nuke, in these modern times, there will be a heavy nuclear retaliation on the aggressor. If Iran attacks Israel in that way, neither nation will exist, period. The fear mongering of the right and the God fearing Christians are trumping this bullshit up. Only idiots would think that starting a nuclear war is on any nations mind, pure lunacy.

Nuclear war? What? All they have to do is hand one off to Hamas.

Christians are trumping up a nation that has had leaders say they want to destroy Israel getting nukes?

Wow...

If hamas detonated a nuke, do you think there will NOT be nuclear war? Get your head out of the sand and stop the fearmongering righty christian bullshit.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Every Arab nation has plans on the table to build nuclear reactors before 2020. Good Luck

With the new F-35s Israel is getting it will sure make the job a hell of a lot easier.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Nobody is going to attack Iran so long as the U.S has a say in it.

U.S does not want to attack Iran.
The day the U.S attacks Iran is the day we stop importing oil.

Canada and Mexico will stop selling oil to the US if the US attacks Iran? Saudie Arabia will as well? The harder you hit Iran the more money it is going to need to repair the damage, it won't stop selling oil.

 

[RichardE]

Agreed, it would be foolish. RichardE Isreal needs to solve their issues with their neighboring countries diplomatically. Since their the new kid on the block can't go around telling everyone what to do. Peace is achieved with respect for one another.

Diplomacy does not work with Arabs, it's been tried, a few times, numerous times actually. Not to mention with each generation the anger gets worse and worse, and moderates are killed or exiled. If Diplomacy was going to work there would be peace already.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
ZOMG we're all gonna die! Just a little more propaganda to add air to the embers desperately trying to become fire. Yippie!

Lucky you, you don't live within 2000 kilometers of a nuclear armed country that has vowed to wipe you off the map and is almost within the ability to do so. Keep being comfy in your little state protected by a few thousand nuclear warheads.

Are you really so freaking ignorant that after that ridiculous mistranslation has been debunked over and over again you're still going to cling to it like it's the gospel? If you honestly believe that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons as an offensive option you need some rather lengthy education on logic and reasoning. I don't really doubt that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons but they are pursuing them as a strategic tool the same as all the other freaking nations that possess them. They have absolutely nothing to gain by using nuclear weapons offensively and everything to lose. However, no one here can convince you to let go of the teat that is the corporate controlled media now can they. Judging by your remark, I'm guessing Fox News is your source of news.

The faulty reasoning is all yours. Talking about gaining and losing, what did a bunch of Muslim men had to gain from flying two planes into the WTC? I'm not saying there is no reasoning, there certainly is, but you just don't get it.

You're basically right saying the nukes will never be used for attacking first. But it will put the entire region (not just Israel) under extortion. Israel, or any other country for the matter, could have much less leverage on Iran to stop it from sending Hezbollah on selected targets.

I'm sure some of the good souls here are waiting for Iran to get nukes. They know that along with Russia and China, that's another step closer to a new world order, a shift of power away from the "great evil" US and its allies. Pissing into the village well must feel good, you morons.

 

[Aimster]

Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

What are we going to do? Move naval ships there to stop Iranian ships from doing anything? We would have to eliminate all of Iran's military and control miles of Iranian coast going 20+ miles inland. In other words invasion. Since invasion is out of the question no attack on Iran will ever happen as long as they hold our energy needs within striking distance of missiles/rockets.

Any attack on Iran even if we do a shock and awe at them almost guarantees that Iran will retaliate and disrupt the passage of oil in the M.E.

The U.S military in the M.E cannot operate without energy needs. The U.S has contracts out with M.E nations Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia to fulfill those needs. Iran would have every right to attack oil shipments that supply the U.S military with their energy.

Without that oil where would the U.S military get their oil? At what cost? There are different types of fuels. The U.S can't simply turn to let's say Iraq and have Iraq supply them with all of the U.S energy needs. Iraq probably will not have that fuel readily available.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

What are we going to do? Move naval ships there to stop Iranian ships from doing anything? We would have to eliminate all of Iran's military and control miles of Iranian coast going 20+ miles inland. In other words invasion. Since invasion is out of the question no attack on Iran will ever happen as long as they hold our energy needs within striking distance of missiles/rockets.

Any attack on Iran even if we do a shock and awe at them almost guarantees that Iran will retaliate and disrupt the passage of oil in the M.E.

The U.S military in the M.E cannot operate without energy needs. The U.S has contracts out with M.E nations Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia to fulfill those needs. Iran would have every right to attack oil shipments that supply the U.S military with their energy.

Without that oil where would the U.S military get their oil? At what cost? There are different types of fuels. The U.S can't simply turn to let's say Iraq and have Iraq supply them with all of the U.S energy needs. Iraq probably will not have that fuel readily available.

There are currently two new oil pipelines being built to bypass the straight in direct response to Irans bullshit and the world not willing to risk it. Iran is already on shaky ground with the rest of the world, you think it is going to justify a US attack by attacking other nations? That is idiotic and wishful thinking at best. Face it, an Israel attack or a US attack on Iran would result in a non-response from the world and Iran facing it alone. You treat the nations of this world like idiots thinking they would be all up in arms over a air bombing of Iran. Iran itself would take the blows and begin rebuilding its military funneling more money to Hamas and other anti-Israel groups and maybe Israel will get bombarded with missiles for a few days, buts its better than a nuclear weapon.

Iran attack other countries ships :laugh: That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard today.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

No, they don't; they live next to it. I cannot stand in front of Fort Knox and say I control the US's gold supply. Iran would have no, zero clout over that passage during a war. Their navy/airforce (lol) would be neutralized within a day at the most and then the most they could do would be to lob inaccurate missiles randomly at the water, all the while sortie after sortie of US planes taking out the launch positions of any missiles (and this would go on for much longer of course, but is less of a concern).

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

What are we going to do? Move naval ships there to stop Iranian ships from doing anything? We would have to eliminate all of Iran's military and control miles of Iranian coast going 20+ miles inland. In other words invasion. Since invasion is out of the question no attack on Iran will ever happen as long as they hold our energy needs within striking distance of missiles/rockets.

Any attack on Iran even if we do a shock and awe at them almost guarantees that Iran will retaliate and disrupt the passage of oil in the M.E.

The U.S military in the M.E cannot operate without energy needs. The U.S has contracts out with M.E nations Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia to fulfill those needs. Iran would have every right to attack oil shipments that supply the U.S military with their energy.

Without that oil where would the U.S military get their oil? At what cost? There are different types of fuels. The U.S can't simply turn to let's say Iraq and have Iraq supply them with all of the U.S energy needs. Iraq probably will not have that fuel readily available.

You really have no idea of what the military is capable of doing, do you? The only other thing we need is a good launchpad in georgia. Russia fvcked that up once, already. Were you aware that there have been thousands of tanks shipped into afghanistan in the last year? Wonder what the hell we need those for? Have you looked at a map of major and minor us military installations in the middle east lately? The US doesn't have a CAN'T mentality, never has.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

No, they don't; they live next to it. I cannot stand in front of Fort Knox and say I control the US's gold supply. Iran would have no, zero clout over that passage during a war. Their navy/airforce (lol) would be neutralized within a day at the most and then the most they could do would be to lob inaccurate missiles randomly at the water, all the while sortie after sortie of US planes taking out the launch positions of any missiles (and this would go on for much longer of course, but is less of a concern).

Israel couldn't destroy Hezbollah missiles and you are saying the U.S can destroy Iranian missiles in a few days?
Israel has a far more stronger military in the M.E than the U.S and Iran's border is far more massive than that of Southern Lebanon.

How is the U.S Navy going to take out Iran's Navy? With their air force. The U.S Navy is not going to engage a bunch of small ships armed with missiles and torpedoes. Those ships are backed by hundreds of land-sea missile batteries stationed on the coast.

So while the U.S is sending wave after wave of aircraft to destroy the Iranian navy and land-sea batteries lined up on the coast of Iran who is going to take out the rest of Iran's military?

In what war has any nation completely wiped out the retaliation capacity of another nation in a couple of days?

By the time all the bombing and fighting is done the price of oil would be over $200/barrel and the Arab oil infrastructure would be damaged. What U.S President wants to explain that?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

What are we going to do? Move naval ships there to stop Iranian ships from doing anything? We would have to eliminate all of Iran's military and control miles of Iranian coast going 20+ miles inland. In other words invasion. Since invasion is out of the question no attack on Iran will ever happen as long as they hold our energy needs within striking distance of missiles/rockets.

Any attack on Iran even if we do a shock and awe at them almost guarantees that Iran will retaliate and disrupt the passage of oil in the M.E.

The U.S military in the M.E cannot operate without energy needs. The U.S has contracts out with M.E nations Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia to fulfill those needs. Iran would have every right to attack oil shipments that supply the U.S military with their energy.

Without that oil where would the U.S military get their oil? At what cost? There are different types of fuels. The U.S can't simply turn to let's say Iraq and have Iraq supply them with all of the U.S energy needs. Iraq probably will not have that fuel readily available.

You really have no idea of what the military is capable of doing, do you? The only other thing we need is a good launchpad in georgia. Russia fvcked that up once, already. Were you aware that there have been thousands of tanks shipped into afghanistan in the last year? Wonder what the hell we need those for? Have you looked at a map of major and minor us military installations in the middle east lately? The US doesn't have a CAN'T mentality, never has.

Are you suggesting the U.S can invade Iran and occupy all of it successfully?
The U.S cannot occupy a nation of 60 million people when 60 million people are against the invading force.
The only thing the U.S can do is bomb and bomb and continue to bomb and destroy things.

Sounds easy no? Iran will bomb the oil that the U.S loves so much. It will be an ass and flood the Strait of Hormuz with mines and start sinking ships to block it off. What does it have to lose? It's already been bombed.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran controls 40% of the world's oil passage.

What are we going to do? Move naval ships there to stop Iranian ships from doing anything? We would have to eliminate all of Iran's military and control miles of Iranian coast going 20+ miles inland. In other words invasion. Since invasion is out of the question no attack on Iran will ever happen as long as they hold our energy needs within striking distance of missiles/rockets.

Any attack on Iran even if we do a shock and awe at them almost guarantees that Iran will retaliate and disrupt the passage of oil in the M.E.

The U.S military in the M.E cannot operate without energy needs. The U.S has contracts out with M.E nations Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia to fulfill those needs. Iran would have every right to attack oil shipments that supply the U.S military with their energy.

Without that oil where would the U.S military get their oil? At what cost? There are different types of fuels. The U.S can't simply turn to let's say Iraq and have Iraq supply them with all of the U.S energy needs. Iraq probably will not have that fuel readily available.

You really have no idea of what the military is capable of doing, do you? The only other thing we need is a good launchpad in georgia. Russia fvcked that up once, already. Were you aware that there have been thousands of tanks shipped into afghanistan in the last year? Wonder what the hell we need those for? Have you looked at a map of major and minor us military installations in the middle east lately? The US doesn't have a CAN'T mentality, never has.

Your idea as to what the US military can do seems a bit far-fetched. We could certainly defeat Iran's army, but to invade and occupy it as we would need to do in order to protect the Straights of Hormuz? Very unlikely, and politically/strategically/economically disastrous.

Skoorb, you are very wrong about Iran's ability to influence the straights. I've been through them, in some areas they are super super narrow. Iran would have dozens if not hundreds of ways to inflict economic calamity on the world through them. Any disruption of the oil passage through the straights would send oil prices up hundreds of dollars a barrel, crippling the world economy. The oil tankers that pass through it can easily be hit by shore based missile systems, and in some cases handheld missiles.

Oil tankers, ie: floating bombs.

They can float mines into the straights, they can sink ships in them and make them impassable. They can use small boat attacks with simple RPGs on the ships. All of these methods are low tech, low profile, and require minimal effort on Iran's part in order to inflict lasting difficulties for navigation. We hold the world economy in the balance in this situation, and we underestimate Iran's abilities at our own peril.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE
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Mostafa Mohammed Najjar said on state television Wednesday that the Sajjil was a high-speed missile manufactured at the Iranian Aerospace department of the Defense Ministry. He said it had a range of about 2,000 kilometres....

Hopefully Israel gets leadership with balls soon enough and finishes playing with these guys. Looking forward to a US withdrawl from Iraq, since at that point Israel can fly over Iraq with impunity (since Iraq has no AF afaik).New Link

This attitutde is what's going to start the first Nuclear Exchange. Israel does not have the Right to strike Iran or any of Its' neighbours.

You don`t get it do you???
I thought yopu were smarter than this.....
Okay let me be real blunt.......survival is survival and nobody is going to say anything against Israel if the time comes that they honestly need to fight once again for their survival!!

 

[filetitan]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Aimster
Every Arab nation has plans on the table to build nuclear reactors before 2020. Good Luck

With the new F-35s Israel is getting it will sure make the job a hell of a lot easier.

so you think, keep in mind Russia is in the process of closing a deal where Iran will receive the following bad boys.

"They estimate that at least three or four batteries of the first batch of ten were shipped to Iran to boost its air defense arsenal; another 50 are thought to be on the way, of which Syria will keep 36."

Also in Syria

"Syria took delivery in mid-August of 10 batteries of sophisticated Russian Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems with advanced radar, those sources report. They have just been installed in Syria."


Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems
The integrated missile and gun armament creates an uninterrupted engagement zone of 18 to 20 km in range and of up to 10 km in altitude. Immunity to jamming is promised via a common multimode and multi-spectral radar and optical control system. The combined missile and artillery capability makes the Russian system the most advanced air defense system in the world. Syria and Iran believe it provides the best possible protection against American or Israeli air and missile attack. Stationed in al Hamma, at the meeting point of the Syrian-Jordanian and Israeli borders, the missile?s detection range of 30 km takes in all of Israel?s northern air force bases.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: filetitan

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Aimster
Every Arab nation has plans on the table to build nuclear reactors before 2020. Good Luck

With the new F-35s Israel is getting it will sure make the job a hell of a lot easier.

so you think, keep in mind Russia is in the process of closing a deal where Iran will receive the following bad boys.

"They estimate that at least three or four batteries of the first batch of ten were shipped to Iran to boost its air defense arsenal; another 50 are thought to be on the way, of which Syria will keep 36."

Also in Syria

"Syria took delivery in mid-August of 10 batteries of sophisticated Russian Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems with advanced radar, those sources report. They have just been installed in Syria."


Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems
The integrated missile and gun armament creates an uninterrupted engagement zone of 18 to 20 km in range and of up to 10 km in altitude. Immunity to jamming is promised via a common multimode and multi-spectral radar and optical control system. The combined missile and artillery capability makes the Russian system the most advanced air defense system in the world. Syria and Iran believe it provides the best possible protection against American or Israeli air and missile attack. Stationed in al Hamma, at the meeting point of the Syrian-Jordanian and Israeli borders, the missile?s detection range of 30 km takes in all of Israel?s northern air force bases.

Yeah, Syria had those when Israel striked them to take out the reactor they were building. Syria issues a statement saying they never saw them and were pissed with Russia.

I think it is safe to assume those systems are not as good as marketed. Though even if a number of planes are shot down in the process of securing Israels survival against a nuclear annihilation it is worth it.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Yeah, Syria had those when Israel striked them to take out the reactor they were building. Syria issues a statement saying they never saw them and were pissed with Russia.

I think it is safe to assume those systems are not as good as marketed. Though even if a number of planes are shot down in the process of securing Israels survival against a nuclear annihilation it is worth it.

If it's Russian, you can just about guarantee that it's not as good as marketed. :laugh:

 

[filetitan]

Also
The S-300 anti-aircraft missile defense system is capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missile warheads at ranges of over 90 miles and at altitudes of about 90,000 feet. Russian military officials boast that its capabilities outstrip the U.S. Patriot missile system.

Source: http://www.breitbart.com/artic...TPD8IG0&show_article=1

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrGHGOGmL-8