Iran NPT talks succesful

[Oric]

the question isn't will iran use a nuke.

a nuclear iran would change the playing field. it would reduce israel's military reach, it could no longer go after hamas or hezbollah without fear of an iranian response.

would USA tolerate a nuclear mexico, that would busy sponsoring two terror groups on both our north and south borders that have killed thousands of our citizens, and at the same time developing a nuclear technology?

A nuclear Iran will not change the playing field. No country leave aside USA, China and Russia, who have thousands of warheads and ICBM technology, can use a nuclear weapon against any other country because it is 99.99% sure thing that their attack will be retaliated by the "Big 3". In this case if Iran attacks Israel because of Hamas etc. a few Iranian cities will be left smoking ash. So on the conventional side your claim is unlikely. The same goes for Mexico.

Rephrasing my previous post, what is being bargained in the name of Iran is "Will the nuclear technology, including fuel production (enrichment) be the monopoly of a few countries or can other countries develop and use this technology for peaceful purposes ?"

Below is the world Uranium enrichment centers

Company Nameplate Capacity (tonnes U as UF6)
Cameco, Port Hope, Ont, Canada 12,500
Cameco, Springfields, UK 6000
JSC Enrichment & Conversion Co (Atomenergoprom), Irkutsk & Seversk, Russia 25,000*
Comurhex (Areva), Pierrelatte, France 14,500
Converdyn, Metropolis, USA 15,000
CNNC, Lanzhou, China 3000
IPEN, Brazil 90
Total 76,090

 

[Noobtastic]

A nuclear Iran will not change the playing field. No country leave aside USA, China and Russia, who have thousands of warheads and ICBM technology, can use a nuclear weapon against any other country because it is 99.99% sure thing that their attack will be retaliated by the "Big 3". In this case if Iran attacks Israel because of Hamas etc. a few Iranian cities will be left smoking ash. So on the conventional side your claim is unlikely. The same goes for Mexico.

Rephrasing my previous post, what is being bargained in the name of Iran is "Will the nuclear technology, including fuel production (enrichment) be the monopoly of a few countries or can other countries develop and use this technology for peaceful purposes ?"

Below is the world Uranium enrichment centers

Company Nameplate Capacity (tonnes U as UF6)
Cameco, Port Hope, Ont, Canada 12,500
Cameco, Springfields, UK 6000
JSC Enrichment & Conversion Co (Atomenergoprom), Irkutsk & Seversk, Russia 25,000*
Comurhex (Areva), Pierrelatte, France 14,500
Converdyn, Metropolis, USA 15,000
CNNC, Lanzhou, China 3000
IPEN, Brazil 90
Total 76,090

A nuclear Iran poses zero threat, is that's what your saying?

This is disputed by France, Germany, Obama, Israel, Arab states, BND, Mossad, CIA, MI6.

Give me a fuckin break.

A nuclear Iran would totally change the playing field you twat.

 

[ElFenix]

I am living in a country bordered both by Iran and (almost) Israel. If I have a reason to worry about Iran having a nuke, that reason is twentyfold true for Israel. International Agencies have no control over Israel nuclear facilities nor her (allegedly) big arsenal. I want my neighbours to either all of them have nukes (balance of power) or better none of them have it. As long as there is no pressure on Israel on her arsenal it is a hypocrisy to supress Iran or any other in the region about nuclear power.

It is very easy to claim about what is right or wrong about Middle East, thousands of kilometers away. Isn't it.

By the way I am a pork eating, beer drinking Muslim and things are pretty cool up here .. So much for fundamentalism you see on your media.

so how is istanbul?

 

[Noobtastic]

so how is istanbul?

i dont think he is even from turkey.

turkey-israel are historic allies. relationship predates usa-israel pact.

why else would the islamist turkish leadership bitch and moan about israel's delay on weapons sell.

oh israel is the devil and aggressor, but we still want your technology to pulverize and subjugate the kurdish rebels!!111

 

[Lemon law]

Ah yes, when Oric asks a legitimate question, the answer is always to call him a TWAT.
I see the JOS logic of personal proven failure is still alive and well.

But even if we are failures, its such a comfort to see other struggle, even if we guess wrong on Oric's secret identity. And then go on to assume that everyone in Oric's country are exactly like Oric, even if we come from countries with diverse viewpoints.

Exactly Rush Limbaugh logic 101 in advanced conservative studies.

 

[Jhhnn]

If anybody has a "manic obsession" with Israel, IHV, it's you. You've dragged Israel and Obama-hate into a wide range of topics having nothing to do with either, and every thread you start is basically a gushing devotional to the state of Israel and an attack against anybody who might think otherwise.

Given America's irrational collective guilt trip about the holocaust, calling Israel's detractors anti-semites has been an effective tactic to silence them, even when completely untrue. It's the reason Israeli propaganda is so effective in the US. When all else fails, shame 'em, shout 'em down, calling them Jew haters and Nazis...

And the whole reference to the Nazis and birds of a feather- slanderous innuendo- which means you're desperate.

If I were to remind you that the Israeli govt was quite friendly with the formerly apartheid govt in S Africa, I don't suppose that would apply at all, right?

 

[Noobtastic]

If anybody has a "manic obsession" with Israel, IHV, it's you. You've dragged Israel and Obama-hate into a wide range of topics having nothing to do with either, and every thread you start is basically a gushing devotional to the state of Israel and an attack against anybody who might think otherwise.

Given America's irrational collective guilt trip about the holocaust, calling Israel's detractors anti-semites has been an effective tactic to silence them, even when completely untrue. It's the reason Israeli propaganda is so effective in the US. When all else fails, shame 'em, shout 'em down, calling them Jew haters and Nazis...

And the whole reference to the Nazis and birds of a feather- slanderous innuendo- which means you're desperate.

If I were to remind you that the Israeli govt was quite friendly with the formerly apartheid govt in S Africa, I don't suppose that would apply at all, right?

blah blah blah more victimhood? i haven't shouted anyone down, it is you who shouts people down. villifying anyone who even has a remote association with israel.

oh noes, criticism of obama!! the horror!

how dare i criticize our great leader. YOU express solidarity with Nazi Arab states.

Baathism is inspired by Nazism. Palestinian leadership are avid consumers of antisemitism (and one indicted by the US for the murder of american diplomats).

your hatred of israel is only matched by your hatred of America.

 

[Jhhnn]

We Rock! They Suck! You Suck! Everything Sucks!

Repeat, ad nauseum.

 

[Noobtastic]

Repeat, ad nauseum.

 

[SamurAchzar]

A nuclear Iran will not change the playing field. No country leave aside USA, China and Russia, who have thousands of warheads and ICBM technology, can use a nuclear weapon against any other country because it is 99.99% sure thing that their attack will be retaliated by the "Big 3". In this case if Iran attacks Israel because of Hamas etc. a few Iranian cities will be left smoking ash. So on the conventional side your claim is unlikely. The same goes for Mexico.

Rephrasing my previous post, what is being bargained in the name of Iran is "Will the nuclear technology, including fuel production (enrichment) be the monopoly of a few countries or can other countries develop and use this technology for peaceful purposes ?"

Below is the world Uranium enrichment centers

Company Nameplate Capacity (tonnes U as UF6)
Cameco, Port Hope, Ont, Canada 12,500
Cameco, Springfields, UK 6000
JSC Enrichment & Conversion Co (Atomenergoprom), Irkutsk & Seversk, Russia 25,000*
Comurhex (Areva), Pierrelatte, France 14,500
Converdyn, Metropolis, USA 15,000
CNNC, Lanzhou, China 3000
IPEN, Brazil 90
Total 76,090

Sorry Oric, but I just don't get it. Israel has been allied with Turkey, made enormous technology transfers to it, trained with its army and sent whatever help it could during the earthquake that struck Turkey in 1999.
Now I see two issues here, both completely separate in nature but probably share the same root:

1. You supporting nuclear proliferation in Iran - Why would you desire a fundamentalist, Shia controlled, oppressing state bordering with your country to have doomsday weapons, against any common logic?

2. You "not trusting" Israel with nukes - Has Israel ever made any references to its nukes or threatened to use them, even when attacked?

The only thing I can think of is Islamic bias, but even that doesn't explain point #1, unless you want to see a Muslim rise of power, regardless who is that particular Muslim or the long range implications of that.

 

[Noobtastic]

Sorry Oric, but I just don't get it. Israel has been allied with Turkey, made enormous technology transfers to it, trained with its army and sent whatever help it could during the earthquake that struck Turkey in 1999.
Now I see two issues here, both completely separate in nature but probably share the same root:

1. You supporting nuclear proliferation in Iran - Why would you desire a fundamentalist, Shia controlled, oppressing state bordering with your country to have doomsday weapons, against any common logic?

2. You "not trusting" Israel with nukes - Has Israel ever made any references to its nukes or threatened to use them, even when attacked?

The only thing I can think of is Islamic bias, but even that doesn't explain point #1, unless you want to see a Muslim rise of power, regardless who is that particular Muslim or the long range implications of that.

I think you should know by now Muslim states are willing to sabotage their own economy and lifestyle to destroy Israel.

Arab states subjected their people to 4 separate wars with Israel, destroying their economies in the process. Egypt lost over 1,500 civilians in the war of attrition for nothing.

I think the average turkish citizen is either ignorant of the israel-turkey relationship or is more pro-muslim than pro-turkish.

 

[Oric]

Sorry Oric, but I just don't get it. Israel has been allied with Turkey, made enormous technology transfers to it, trained with its army and sent whatever help it could during the earthquake that struck Turkey in 1999.
Now I see two issues here, both completely separate in nature but probably share the same root:

1. You supporting nuclear proliferation in Iran - Why would you desire a fundamentalist, Shia controlled, oppressing state bordering with your country to have doomsday weapons, against any common logic?

2. You "not trusting" Israel with nukes - Has Israel ever made any references to its nukes or threatened to use them, even when attacked?

The only thing I can think of is Islamic bias, but even that doesn't explain point #1, unless you want to see a Muslim rise of power, regardless who is that particular Muslim or the long range implications of that.

Good questions,

First of all Turkey and Israel are not enemies. There have been good relations as you have mentioned but being good friends do not necessarily imply not speaking of truths if your friend makes mistakes. Turkey can point out what Israel is doing wrong and that does not necessarily mean Turkey is against Israel or Anti-Semite

Similarly Iran is our neighbour, although two countries have been historical rivals there has not been any conflict between two countries since May 17th 1639 (371th anniversary has just passed). Long time eh ? Both countries have seen many regimes on this 4 century period but have kept peace and tolerated each other. Iran also is not an imperialistic country, they have not extended their borders nor attacked neighbouring coutnries for a long time period. They were attacked by Saddam, who was motivated by the West, for punishment of 1979 incidents still today they hold no grunge against the Iraqis. Your question about Iran having nuclear power or arms in this regard is easily answered : No we are not afraid of Iran, they are a responsible country not any less than Israel.

I have summarized my opinions about this conflict in the previous posts, there is a lot of confusion in people's minds. The real deal is between third world countries and nuclear lords of UN, Iran is the debate's main actor. We have to watch and see how United Nation resolutions come out in the next few months.

Last issue, do we trust Israel with nukes ? That question should be changed to "Why do we have to trust Israel and not trust the others ? Israel is not the perfect role model country of the world. If they have nukes and nobody even asks them why they have it why is everyone beating Iran before she even has one nuke? That is not fair"

 

[Jhhnn]

Thank you, Oric.

What it comes down to is that when your friends tell you that you're screwing up, it's a good idea to listen and act accordingly...

 

[Noobtastic]

Thank you, Oric.

What it comes down to is that when your friends tell you that you're screwing up, it's a good idea to listen and act accordingly...

thank you oric?

These turkish douche just apologized for Iran, a country that has killed more americans than all 23 Arab states combined.

iran is a prolific sponsor of terrorism and has threatened historic allies of the USA and turkey with violence.

why is the left so calm and indifferent to this horrible evil regimes that oppress minorities, free speech, etc...?

go fuckin live there u asshole.

 

[Oric]

i dont think he is even from turkey.

You think so ?

Especially for you IHV. I have taken these pictures on the way to work on a rainy Istanbul morning. The Bosphorus Bridge and a few junctions on the freeway ..

Enjoy

http://yfrog.com/j6img00138201005200928jx

 

[Lemon law]

IHV says, "These turkish douche just apologized for Iran, a country that has killed more americans than all 23 Arab states combined."

In a word no, because one heck of a lot of American died in Iraq and I can't think of any who died in Iran.

IHV, you may be entitled to your own opinion, but you can't make up your own facts out of thin air.

 

[mrCide]

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