Iran NPT talks succesful

[Noobtastic]

I am living in a country bordered both by Iran and (almost) Israel. If I have a reason to worry about Iran having a nuke, that reason is twentyfold true for Israel. International Agencies have no control over Israel nuclear facilities nor her (allegedly) big arsenal. I want my neighbours to either all of them have nukes (balance of power) or better none of them have it. As long as there is no pressure on Israel on her arsenal it is a hypocrisy to supress Iran or any other in the region about nuclear power.

It is very easy to claim about what is right or wrong about Middle East, thousands of kilometers away. Isn't it.

By the way I am a pork eating, beer drinking Muslim and things are pretty cool up here .. So much for fundamentalism you see on your media.

israel's had nuclear weapons since the late 1950s.

muslims dont fear a nuclear israel, or else they wouldn't have attacked in 1973.

no member of the west sees a nuclear israel a threat to humanity, but a prolific sponsor of terror like iran that is openly committed to the destruction of a UN-member state should never be given such destructive technology.

israel would retarded to force its citizens to live in such an environment.

 

[DanDaManJC]

israel's had nuclear weapons since the late 1950s.

muslims dont fear a nuclear israel, or else they wouldn't have attacked in 1973.

no member of the west sees a nuclear israel a threat to humanity, but a prolific sponsor of terror like iran that is openly committed to the destruction of a UN-member state should never be given such destructive technology.

israel would retarded to force its citizens to live in such an environment.

would they ever use a nuke though? one nuke and the muslim world would be wiped off the face of the planet with our own nukes. sure we might lose one city... but they'd lose their entire population. yeah that's a pretty dire situation, but they'd have to be maniacally suicidal to even remotely imagine using a nuke.

 

[Oric]

The real deal is IHV ; All the talk about having nuclear weapons is associated with having nuclear technology. In order for Nuclear Power stations to operate you need fuel rods. Just like oil and natural gas these fuel rods have become strategically important. Only a handful of countries allow themselves to have this technology, monopolize the production and distribution. It is very easy to understand the motive behind this, those who control energy resources control the globe. Therefore why Iran is tried to be so severely punished is its intention to become a fuel producing, self sufficient state at the same time. "Too dangerous to have nuclear technology" is a sad excuse because you can not guarantee any country to be stable politically for decades. Even the mighty USSR has collapsed, so how can I trust Israel who does not sign any nuclear treaty over any other country.

 

[Sinsear]

Wow look. Lemonloser has a new friend to suck on ahmadinejihad's other nut. Iran, as usual is full of shit.

 

[Anarchist420]

All that should really matter to Americans is that Iran would never attack the U.S. if we didn't egg them on. Sure they might wipe the middle east off the face of the earth, but that's none of our damn business. It's not worth American blood or money to stop them.

 

[Noobtastic]

The real deal is IHV ; All the talk about having nuclear weapons is associated with having nuclear technology. In order for Nuclear Power stations to operate you need fuel rods. Just like oil and natural gas these fuel rods have become strategically important. Only a handful of countries allow themselves to have this technology, monopolize the production and distribution. It is very easy to understand the motive behind this, those who control energy resources control the globe. Therefore why Iran is tried to be so severely punished is its intention to become a fuel producing, self sufficient state at the same time. "Too dangerous to have nuclear technology" is a sad excuse because you can not guarantee any country to be stable politically for decades. Even the mighty USSR has collapsed, so how can I trust Israel who does not sign any nuclear treaty over any other country.

the question isn't will iran use a nuke.

a nuclear iran would change the playing field. it would reduce israel's military reach, it could no longer go after hamas or hezbollah without fear of an iranian response.

would USA tolerate a nuclear mexico, that would busy sponsoring two terror groups on both our north and south borders that have killed thousands of our citizens, and at the same time developing a nuclear technology?

 

[Lemon law]

IHV says,"a nuclear iran would change the playing field. it would reduce israel's military reach, it could no longer go after hamas or hezbollah without fear of an iranian response."

The IHV flaw in concept contention, is that Israel should not have any reach outside of its own borders. Israel simply is not to be trusted, its the one clear lesson of the last 60 years. Its why we never sold Israel any sold long range planes and we will not sell them bunker busters now.

 

[Patranus]

IHV says,"a nuclear iran would change the playing field. it would reduce israel's military reach, it could no longer go after hamas or hezbollah without fear of an iranian response."

The IHV flaw in concept contention, is that Israel should not have any reach outside of its own borders. Israel simply is not to be trusted, its the one clear lesson of the last 60 years. Its why we never sold Israel any sold long range planes and we will not sell them bunker busters now.

That is not what was claimed.
Hamas and Hezbollah operate within the internationally recognized borders of Israel.

 

[Lemon law]

That is not what was claimed.
Hamas and Hezbollah operate within the internationally recognized borders of Israel.

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And Hamas is democratically elected in Gaza and Hezbollah receives official Lebanese government recognition in Lebanon.

And tell me again Petranus, how Israel is democratically allowed to operate inside of Gaza or Lebanon? Yet Israel has a very recent history of engaging in what can be only described as two total over reaction collective punishment rapes in both places.

And yes, Israeli war crimes guilt are now almost certain slam dunks as a result.

 

[Noobtastic]

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And Hamas is democratically elected in Gaza and Hezbollah receives official Lebanese government recognition in Lebanon.

And tell me again Petranus, how Israel is democratically allowed to operate inside of Gaza or Lebanon? Yet Israel has a very recent history of engaging in what can be only described as two total over reaction collective punishment rapes in both places.

And yes, Israeli war crimes guilt are now almost certain slam dunks as a result.

LOL! yes, hamas is the democratically elected leadership of gaza.

but it undemocratically expelled democratically elected fatah opponents.

and by expelled, i mean throwing them off roofs.

israel has a right to self-defense consistent with our right to self-defense.

if anything, hamas and hezbollah's presence in their native states make them even more of a legitimate target since they are no longer non-state actors.

if we can bomb afghanistan, yemen, and iraq - hunting HV targets, i dont see why israel cant.

are you just another trolling libtard hypocrite?

 

[werepossum]

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And Hamas is democratically elected in Gaza and Hezbollah receives official Lebanese government recognition in Lebanon.

And tell me again Petranus, how Israel is democratically allowed to operate inside of Gaza or Lebanon? Yet Israel has a very recent history of engaging in what can be only described as two total over reaction collective punishment rapes in both places.

And yes, Israeli war crimes guilt are now almost certain slam dunks as a result.

You know, you could save a lot of typing time with a simple "I HATE JEWS" macro. I'm just sayin' . . .

 

[Jhhnn]

You know, you could save a lot of typing time with a simple "I HATE JEWS" macro. I'm just sayin' . . .

Oh, please. Whenever pro-Israeli ravers get cornered, they whip out the Jew-hater card, start screaming Holocaust at the top of their lungs, hoping to invoke the usual guilt trip.

"Israel" and "Jews" are not synonymous, except when it's convenient for pro-Israelis to say they are...

This is how the pros do it, so pay attention-

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html

 

[CycloWizard]

Oh, please. Whenever pro-Israeli ravers get cornered, they whip out the Jew-hater card, start screaming Holocaust at the top of their lungs, hoping to invoke the usual guilt trip.

"Israel" and "Jews" are not synonymous, except when it's convenient for pro-Israelis to say they are...

This is how the pros do it, so pay attention-

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html

For once, I'll agree with you. Israel is to the right what illegal immigration is to the left. When anyone says we should be less pro-Israel, the die-hard righties scream anti-Semitism! When anyone says that we should crack down on illegal immigration, the die-hard lefties scream racism! Two sides of the same coin. However, if you try to call anyone out on their antics, they tend to get pretty pissed off.

 

[Noobtastic]

Oh, please. Whenever pro-Israeli ravers get cornered, they whip out the Jew-hater card, start screaming Holocaust at the top of their lungs, hoping to invoke the usual guilt trip.

"Israel" and "Jews" are not synonymous, except when it's convenient for pro-Israelis to say they are...

This is how the pros do it, so pay attention-

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html

nobody's getting cornered jhhnn, but LemonLoser is a raging antisemite.

simply substituting "zionist" for "jew" doesn't somehow mean you are immune from antisemitism.

bigotry is bigotry.

it seems the left considers itself incapable of being antisemitic.

no...their manic obsession with israel has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that its loaded with jews.

and their tacit support for the palestinians, who are avid consumers of antisemitism....nah, that doesn't mean anything.

you may not be a member of the nazi party, but if you support their policies you shouldn't be surprised when someone accuses you of *gasp* antisemitism.

syria is a baathist state (inspired by nazism) and avid consumer of antisemitism.

birds of the feather flock together...

 

[Red Dawn]

All that should really matter to Americans is that Iran would never attack the U.S. if we didn't egg them on. Sure they might wipe the middle east off the face of the earth, but that's none of our damn business. It's not worth American blood or money to stop them.

If that happens where are your parents going to get gas for their car so they can drive you to school?

 

[Thump553]

Success? Even Russia, the enabler of Iran's nuclear industry, doesn't accept this "agreement"-which is slated to last one year only. This is an obvious last minute ploy to secure additional delay.

 

[sao123]

why dont we just make the whole middle east the 51st state?
we can put all the arabs on reservations like we did the native americans.

 

[cirrrocco]

would USA tolerate a nuclear mexico, that would busy sponsoring two terror groups on both our north and south borders that have killed thousands of our citizens, and at the same time developing a nuclear technology?

To slightly go OT, Us is supporting, tolerating a nuclear armed terrorist supporting country [Pakistan]

Mark my words every muslim terrorist act in the US has connections to Pakistan. and yet the US gave 11.2 billion in the last four years to TSP [Terrorist State of Pakistan]

Unfortunately the next big attack in the US will still have pakistani connections and the fucking state dept and the cock suckers at pentagon will still be sucking the pakistan army's teats and giving them Destroyers, F-16's, LGB's, to fight the 'bad Taliban', while the 'good taliban' is busy ass fcking young kids, killing US soldiers in Afghanistan , killing thousands of Indian civilians and plotting the next big attack in the US

 

[werepossum]

Oh, please. Whenever pro-Israeli ravers get cornered, they whip out the Jew-hater card, start screaming Holocaust at the top of their lungs, hoping to invoke the usual guilt trip.

"Israel" and "Jews" are not synonymous, except when it's convenient for pro-Israelis to say they are...

This is how the pros do it, so pay attention-

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html

Wow, I lost 10 IQ points just reading the first paragraph of that blog. I'll be smelling sulfur and raw sewage for the rest of the day. Eew!

For the record, I'm not pissed off, just mildly amused when people support those people who throw rocks, kidnap, torture to death, fire rockets into neighborhoods, explode bombs in coffee shops, etc. but condemn those who send soldiers to stop those people. At best you could say both sides are equally guilty.

If the Palestinians laid down their weapons there would be peace. If the Jews laid down their weapons there would be a few million dead Jews. This is unarguable.

 

[Lemon law]

So IHV says, nobody's getting cornered jhhnn, but LemonLoser is a raging antisemite.

Excuse me, IHV, I have always supported the Israeli right to exists, but when the entire nation of Israel now is based on Palestinian land theft, it has nothing to do with any religion and everything to do with the politics of pigs.

In case no one noticed, I have also been very critical about the Arab side, and all other efforts to solve what amount to a systemic question.

But at the end of the day we have to be brutally honest about the past even though we can't change it, and then do what is right to have a just peace in the mid-east.

And that Just Peace is the eye on the prize benefit that will be a win win win for everyone but terrorists.

 

[Jaskalas]

Iran NPT talks succesful

I've heard that before.

1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

 

[EagleKeeper]

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[Lemon law]

The real problem with the Common Courtesy rationalization is that he tries to speak of Arabs/Palestinians as if they were just one person and had on common mind.

It just makes it easier for the pro Israeli fan clubbers to demonize them as common villains instead of individual human beings like you and me, that actually have human rights.

And just like you and I respond positively to fair treatment, we can't expect them, singly or as a group, to be very happy with the totally unfair screwing they got.

And how I ask, can Israel take some pride in saying we live in peace with and have assimilated millions of Arabs even if they are not totally full fledged citizens, yet Israel cannot assimilate a single Palestinian? Gee, it must mean the Israel thinks Palestinians are simply genetically inferior, who else was it that had such beliefs?

And the real irony of it all is that the Palestinian people are a Semitic race of people, so we can say Israel is anti-Semitic at its very core. Maybe some proof of a little Moonbeam self hate here.

 

[mrCide]

I like this whole argument some of the pro-Israeli side uses.

I say: I hate what the Israeli government is doing. While I don't support the terrorist practices of the Palestinian side, I expect a "democratic" government to be more responsible and work towards peace, and land grabbing is doing the opposite.

You say: IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO SAY I HATE JEWS YOU ANTI SEMITE TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER.

Keep fighting the good fight.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The real problem with the Common Courtesy rationalization is that he tries to speak of Arabs/Palestinians as if they were just one person and had on common mind.

It just makes it easier for the pro Israeli fan clubbers to demonize them as common villains instead of individual human beings like you and me, that actually have human rights.

And just like you and I respond positively to fair treatment, we can't expect them, singly or as a group, to be very happy with the totally unfair screwing they got.

And how I ask, can Israel take some pride in saying we live in peace with and have assimilated millions of Arabs even if they are not totally full fledged citizens, yet Israel cannot assimilate a single Palestinian? Gee, it must mean the Israel thinks Palestinians are simply genetically inferior, who else was it that had such beliefs?

And the real irony of it all is that the Palestinian people are a Semitic race of people, so we can say Israel is anti-Semitic at its very core. Maybe some proof of a little Moonbeam self hate here.

How does your comment align with my post within this thread?

And how does your comment align with the thread context?