Iran launches its first satellite

[AnitaPeterson]

Iran has just launched its first satellite:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7866357.stm

As Khruschev would've said, this means the country now officially possesses intercontinental ballistic missiles. When you also take into consideration the official rhetoric coming from Tehran (see http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2273659 ), and the persistence of continuing the uranium enrichment program (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2272026 ), one can't help but wonder if some circles aren't just salivating at the idea of starting a war...

Timing is everything...

 

[StageLeft]

Other countries had satellites in orbit before I was even born. Iran is way behind the curve.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Iran has just launched its first satellite:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7866357.stm

As Khruschev would've said, this means the country now officially possesses intercontinental ballistic missiles. When you also take into consideration the official rhetoric coming from Tehran (see http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2273659 ), and the persistence of continuing the uranium enrichment program (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2272026 ), one can't help but wonder if some circles aren't just salivating at the idea of starting a war...

Timing is everything...

No need for a war. Air strikes will suffice.

 

[Lemon law]

Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

 

[CLite]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

this means the country now officially possesses intercontinental ballistic missiles.

No.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

this means the country now officially possesses intercontinental ballistic missiles.

No.

No?
If it has a range over 5,000 km, then yes.

 

[CLite]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

this means the country now officially possesses intercontinental ballistic missiles.

No.

No?
If it has a range over 5,000 km, then yes.

No.

The rocket used to launch their satellite isn't capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to any target. Now it is fairly similiar to their claimed ballistic delivery missile, however launching a sallelite delivery rocket != ICMB.

 

[Modelworks]

While not the same as a ICBM , it does show they now have the tech to strike any country near them. Something that was in doubt earlier.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

The people of Iran are more American in there approach to life than most other countries. It is like America with a different religion if you have ever visited it.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

The people of Iran are more American in there approach to life than most other countries. It is like America with a different religion if you have ever visited it.

Except for the government sanctioned stoning of women, and the hanging of gays...

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

The people of Iran are more American in there approach to life than most other countries. It is like America with a different religion if you have ever visited it.

Except for the government sanctioned stoning of women, and the hanging of gays...

lol yeah

According to The Economist magazine,

The Tehran spring of ten years ago has now given way to a bleak political winter. The new government continues to close down newspapers, silence dissenting voices and ban or censor books and websites. The peaceful demonstrations and protests of the Khatami era are no longer tolerated: in January [2007] security forces attacked striking bus drivers in Tehran and arrested hundreds of them. In March police beat hundreds of men and women who had assembled to commemorate International Women's Day

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

The people of Iran are more American in there approach to life than most other countries. It is like America with a different religion if you have ever visited it.

Except for the government sanctioned stoning of women, and the hanging of gays...

Well, I was talking about the people not the government wasn't I? 😉

In that case all Americans believe in unjust wars that killing 10's of thousands of civilians..especially since they voted the guy in twice 😉

When I visited Iran even coming from Israel the people were great and welcoming and the authorities will strict were fair (as long as you follow Islamic based law). That is not to say that they have problems with could be addressed, but they are not the great evil the US and some people in Israel make them out to be.

I use to be for turning the entire country into glass before visiting it, now I realize they have the same rhetoric as the US calling countries "axis of evil".

 

[Lemon law]

Why are we quibbling about ICBM definitions? Any guided missile capable of reaching earth orbit and the 18,000+ MPH required, is also is capable of being made into an ICBM.

The real question is how many Iran has, and if the answer is not even a tiny fraction of what the USA or Israel has, then the Iranian military threat is also non-existent. And will remain so for the foreseeable
future.

This only has Iranian self defense implications, saying to any much more powerful nation on earth, you may be able to beat us in an all out war, but you may not escape with no damage to yourself. And that message may be directed at Israel who very much wants to bomb the Iranian nuclear facilities, which would then justify any Iranian counterstrike.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

The people of Iran are more American in there approach to life than most other countries. It is like America with a different religion if you have ever visited it.

Except for the government sanctioned stoning of women, and the hanging of gays...

lol yeah

According to The Economist magazine,

The Tehran spring of ten years ago has now given way to a bleak political winter. The new government continues to close down newspapers, silence dissenting voices and ban or censor books and websites. The peaceful demonstrations and protests of the Khatami era are no longer tolerated: in January [2007] security forces attacked striking bus drivers in Tehran and arrested hundreds of them. In March police beat hundreds of men and women who had assembled to commemorate International Women's Day

Sort of reminds you of the White House not allowed certain papers (NYT) in for white house press meetings, or the removal of peaceful protectors from government events, or the detaining of protesters on the way to summits and the release (without charges) of those protesters after said events were completed. Not to mention the removal of American Citizens to countries where they could be better "interrogated" as well as the unchecked surveillance on American citizens.

As I said in my previous post, the countries are very much alike in many facets. (Hell, UK can be said to be worse than Ira if you want to compare oppression.)

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Iran is a very different nation now than it was in the mid-1980's, when it was reduced to begging for the means to defend itself from the armies of Saddam Hussein. Iran, has shown it can pull itself up by its own bootstraps even if they are still far behind other nations. And it shows Iran, rather than going wacko Taliban type retro, has its eyes on its future.

IMHO, the new Iran would make a better natural ally than a enemy of the USA and Western interests. And for all of Cheney's snit against Iran, Iran is advancing while the US is failing.

Methinks thou praiseth Iranian ingenuity too much. These guys don't have the technological grasp nor the resources to refine their own vast reserves of oil. How on earth are they going to sustain a space program?

 

[brandonb]

All the sabre rattling over the last 5 years has caused Iran to jump start weapons programs. I guess I would have too in their position. So lets blow them up and cause even more instability in the region. Maybe that will fix it. Yep. I think it will. *boggle*

 

[Aimster]

who cares?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Aimster
who cares?

People with kids?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: brandonb
All the sabre rattling over the last 5 years has caused Iran to jump start weapons programs. I guess I would have too in their position. So lets blow them up and cause even more instability in the region. Maybe that will fix it. Yep. I think it will. *boggle*

All of the "sabre rattling" happened because they started a weapons program. And we haven't blown up anything yet in Iran.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster
who cares?

People with kids?

Iran is not going to attack anyone.
If they wanted to attack someone they would have done it already

People who worry are paranoid freaks. If a Muslim sits next to them on the subway they'll be thinking "omg what is under their shirt omgg God be with me".

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: brandonb
All the sabre rattling over the last 5 years has caused Iran to jump start weapons programs. I guess I would have too in their position. So lets blow them up and cause even more instability in the region. Maybe that will fix it. Yep. I think it will. *boggle*

All of the "sabre rattling" happened because they started a weapons program. And we haven't blown up anything yet in Iran.

They've had a weapons program ever since the Shah was overthrown.

100% of their military was U.S made. When Iraq invaded they had nothing. Without spare parts their equipments had to be used as little as possible causing mass casualties and delaying the war for years.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster
who cares?

People with kids?

Iran is not going to attack anyone.
If they wanted to attack someone they would have done it already

People who worry are paranoid freaks. If a Muslim sits next to them on the subway they'll be thinking "omg what is under their shirt omgg God be with me".

Yeah, we've watched too much TV. Several beheadings come to mind. Did they ever catch and punish those guys?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster
who cares?

People with kids?

Iran is not going to attack anyone.
If they wanted to attack someone they would have done it already

People who worry are paranoid freaks. If a Muslim sits next to them on the subway they'll be thinking "omg what is under their shirt omgg God be with me".

Yeah, we've watched too much TV. Several beheadings come to mind. Did they ever catch and punish those guys?

Beheadings?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster
who cares?

People with kids?

Iran is not going to attack anyone.
If they wanted to attack someone they would have done it already

People who worry are paranoid freaks. If a Muslim sits next to them on the subway they'll be thinking "omg what is under their shirt omgg God be with me".

Yeah, we've watched too much TV. Several beheadings come to mind. Did they ever catch and punish those guys?

Beheadings?

Your short memory reveals the reason for your lack of concern.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Aimster
who cares?

People with kids?

Iran is not going to attack anyone.
If they wanted to attack someone they would have done it already

People who worry are paranoid freaks. If a Muslim sits next to them on the subway they'll be thinking "omg what is under their shirt omgg God be with me".

Yeah, we've watched too much TV. Several beheadings come to mind. Did they ever catch and punish those guys?

Beheadings?

Your short memory reveals the reason for your lack of concern.

What the hell does beheadings have to do with 1) Iran or 2) Muslims on a subway.