Iran hosts Holocaust denial conference

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Aimster

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

What are you smoking already?

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "We don't accept this claim," the Iranian president said, adding that if Europeans want to believe in the Holocaust, then they should make room for the state of Israel to move to Europe.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets,"

He says flat out that the genocide of the Jews is a myth... how unclear can that be?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I listen to his speeches and I know exactly what he is saying

You read a headline of his speech on some news article.

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

Don't assume what I have and haven't read. You've been proven wrong aplenty on this forum, and you're on the verge of that happening again.

I did not state that "he" (who?) said Jews were not killed during World War II.

I said that this is another plank floated by the wholly disgusting Iranian regime to keep anti-Jewish sentiment fed both internally and abroad. And apparently one clever enough to fool the easily fooled (or those willing for personal reasons to believe).

Iran: "What, how dare you censor us! We are a sovereign nation! We are merely hosting a discussion! Hypocrites, when it is not a cause you agree with, you wish us silent!"

Of course. The poor dears are merely interested in open, academic discussion.

For the record, I disagree strenuously with anti-hate speech laws like Germany's and Canada's that disallow discussion on these topics. I believe in allowing everything to be brought to light, because that's the best way to expose fools for their very nature. But the idea that this is anything but a self-serving political ploy by the Iranians to continue to prop up their regime is plain hysterical.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Aimster

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

What are you smoking already?

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "We don't accept this claim," the Iranian president said, adding that if Europeans want to believe in the Holocaust, then they should make room for the state of Israel to move to Europe.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets,"

He says flat out that the genocide of the Jews is a myth... how unclear can that be?

Ive listened to his speeches and I heard exactly what he has said.
Nobody inside Iran has said that no Jews were murdered during WW2.

Do you even understand the point of this conference?
It has nothing to do with "Israel I am giving you the middle finger". It is giving Europe the middle finger.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Aimster
I listen to his speeches and I know exactly what he is saying

You read a headline of his speech on some news article.

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

Don't assume what I have and haven't read. You've been proven wrong aplenty on this forum, and you're on the verge of that happening again.

I did not state that "he" (who?) said Jews were not killed during World War II.

I said that this is another plank floated by the wholly disgusting Iranian regime to keep anti-Jewish sentiment fed both internally and abroad. And apparently one clever enough to fool the easily fooled (or those willing for personal reasons to believe).

Iran: "What, how dare you censor us! We are a sovereign nation! We are merely hosting a discussion! Hypocrites, when it is not a cause you agree with, you wish us silent!"

Of course. The poor dears are merely interested in open, academic discussion.

For the record, I disagree strenuously with anti-hate speech laws like Germany's and Canada's that disallow discussion on these topics. I believe in allowing everything to be brought to light, because that's the best way to expose fools for their very nature. But the idea that this is anything but a self-serving political ploy by the Iranians to continue to prop up their regime is plain hysterical.

Im sorry show me numerous times where I have been proven wrong. I would love to see that Mr. I know it all. I know what I am talking about and I dont care what you have read,

I speak and understand farsi. I heard it directly from his mouth.

You are posting nothing but non-sense. Anti-Jewish? Prove it. Prove Iran is anti-Jewish. YOU CANNOT. Iran protects the Jewish minorities inside Iran. Therefore your entire post is garbage.

You are just rambling on about nothing. If you want to prove your post to be accurate then prove that Iran is against Jews.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Aimster

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

What are you smoking already?

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "We don't accept this claim," the Iranian president said, adding that if Europeans want to believe in the Holocaust, then they should make room for the state of Israel to move to Europe.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets,"

He says flat out that the genocide of the Jews is a myth... how unclear can that be?

Ive listened to his speeches and I heard exactly what he has said.
Nobody inside Iran has said that no Jews were murdered during WW2.

Do you even understand the point of this conference?
It has nothing to do with "Israel I am giving you the middle finger". It is giving Europe the middle finger.

He is flat out denying that Hitler killed millions of Jews. That's a direct quote of his, yet you sit there and say "he never said that". I don't understand.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Aimster

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

What are you smoking already?

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "We don't accept this claim," the Iranian president said, adding that if Europeans want to believe in the Holocaust, then they should make room for the state of Israel to move to Europe.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets,"

He says flat out that the genocide of the Jews is a myth... how unclear can that be?

Ive listened to his speeches and I heard exactly what he has said.
Nobody inside Iran has said that no Jews were murdered during WW2.

Do you even understand the point of this conference?
It has nothing to do with "Israel I am giving you the middle finger". It is giving Europe the middle finger.

He is flat out denying that Hitler killed millions of Jews. That's a direct quote of his, yet you sit there and say "he never said that". I don't understand.

He never said Hitler didn't kill millions of Jews.
Show me his direct quote.

His problem is with the word Holocaust. His problem is that the word is only for Jews when millions of other people died.

He never said the Holocaust didn't happen. He said the Holocaust should not exist (the word) because in his opinion: "Why are Jews getting all the attention when so many more people died during WW2?" In his eyes the Holocaust should include everyone.

His reasoning is because he thinks it is all Europe's fault that the Jews got all the special attention. He says because Europe didn't want the Jews. Jews got special attention because of the creation of Israel... according to him.

Like I said all this is because he likes to cry for the Palestinians.

This whole thing is a way to shove it up Europe's ass because they ban talks of such things.

I have yet to see any Iranian official come out and directly say "No Jews were killed during WW2". In fact I have seen them say that they have been killed followed up with a quote about "blah blah what about the other millions of people".

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jrenz

Uh oh... here comes Craig to turn yet another thread into a "It's all America's fault" discussion.

No, jrenz, I use accuracy; some things are, not all by any means. The problem is you and your fellow right-wing cultists who falsely deny the things that are.

Accuracy is not your strong point. You take otherwise legitimate claims and completely overstate them in an attempt to make America seem like the greatest evil to ever exist.

Come on, the communist party of america says Chavez is the next coming of jesus so it must be!

 

[imported_dna]

Oh, god.... here we go again..... Aimster wants a quote -- preferably from the BBC.

The man is one step away from stating that he Holocaust did not take place, and then he turns the entire discussion towards the Palestinian cause.

A lot of us aren't fooled by this, and perhaps its high time you got onboard.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
Oh, god.... here we go again..... Aimster wants a quote -- preferably from the BBC.

The man is one step away from stating that he Holocaust did not take place, and then he turns the entire discussion towards the Palestinian cause.

A lot of us aren't fooled by this, and perhaps its high time you got onboard.

He is one step away is different from actually saying it.

I dont care about assumptions. I want facts.

Assumptions are meaningless. If you cannot prove something then keep it to yourself.

Like I said you are not GOD to speak for people. Are you?

Fooled by what? The fact that he actually said Jews died during WW2 but you want me to go against what came out of his own mouth? OK.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Aimster
I listen to his speeches and I know exactly what he is saying

You read a headline of his speech on some news article.

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

Don't assume what I have and haven't read. You've been proven wrong aplenty on this forum, and you're on the verge of that happening again.

I did not state that "he" (who?) said Jews were not killed during World War II.

I said that this is another plank floated by the wholly disgusting Iranian regime to keep anti-Jewish sentiment fed both internally and abroad. And apparently one clever enough to fool the easily fooled (or those willing for personal reasons to believe).

Iran: "What, how dare you censor us! We are a sovereign nation! We are merely hosting a discussion! Hypocrites, when it is not a cause you agree with, you wish us silent!"

Of course. The poor dears are merely interested in open, academic discussion.

For the record, I disagree strenuously with anti-hate speech laws like Germany's and Canada's that disallow discussion on these topics. I believe in allowing everything to be brought to light, because that's the best way to expose fools for their very nature. But the idea that this is anything but a self-serving political ploy by the Iranians to continue to prop up their regime is plain hysterical.

Im sorry show me numerous times where I have been proven wrong. I would love to see that Mr. I know it all. I know what I am talking about and I dont care what you have read,

I speak and understand farsi. I heard it directly from his mouth.

You are posting nothing but non-sense. Anti-Jewish? Prove it. Prove Iran is anti-Jewish. YOU CANNOT. Iran protects the Jewish minorities inside Iran. Therefore your entire post is garbage.

You are just rambling on about nothing. If you want to prove your post to be accurate then prove that Iran is against Jews.

Can I just link to all of the Off Topic forum? Seriously, don't make me laugh. Your credibility is a literal (well, electronic) joke.

You can speak and understand Farsi. How amazing. You must be the only person on this forum who can accomplish such a feat. That's the AnandTech Forums for you - couple hundred thousand white and Asian boys - and one guy who can understand Farsi. Yep, that's what the demography must be. All hail Aimster, our one and only precious translating resource. How misled we all were until his fantastic arrival.

When the "elected" president of Iran's regime explicitly states in multiple instances his wish to have the one Jewish nation in the world "wiped off the map." Of course, I'm sure you'll immediately leap to the defence that Israel != the Jewish people. Just about the world's largest concentration of them. I guess wiping out a nation of Jews doesn't involve killing any Jews these days. Nice little mental sleight of hand.

When Hezbollah is trained, supplied and encouraged by Iranian government agents - all with a dash of plausible deniability, of course - I'm sure it's just the action of a few malicious perpetrators with a little bit of power. Who provide know-how on explosives. And delivery high-quality arms to Hezbollah fighters. And allow for visits by operatives to the nation for further military training.

But considering the Iranian regime protects all of a few ten thousand Jews that remain inside the nation, I'm sure we're just misunderstanding the message. They would never keep a token population of Jews around for the sake of the PR game, ready to be wheeled out in front of the world press when it's time to exclaim, "Look, we treat our Jews very well!"

I spend an inordinate amount of time correcting people's fallacious thoughts on Islam and the Middle East in general, but, god, STFU. Whitewashing and further adding credence to the Iranian regime's use of the Jewish people as a scapegoat is plain disgusting.

Originally posted by: dna
The man is one step away from stating that he Holocaust did not take place, and then he turns the entire discussion towards the Palestinian cause.

A lot of us aren't fooled by this, and perhaps its high time you got onboard.

*nods* Well summarized.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Fooled by what? The fact that he actually said Jews died during WW2 but you want me to go against what came out of his own mouth? OK.

Are you saying something got lost in translation? That the translators have an agenda?

What Ahmadinejad is doing is very sneaky, as he is presenting the matter as a false dilemma:
He states that either (1) the holocaust did not exist, or (2) it did exist and had something to do with the creation of the state of Israel.

Ultimately, what he thinks about the holocaust doesn't really matter -- it is merely a tool, since his objective is to associate the holocaust with the creation of the state of Israel. It is no different than the usual rhetoric that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the root of all the problems in the Middle East.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Aimster
I listen to his speeches and I know exactly what he is saying

You read a headline of his speech on some news article.

He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.

If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"

Don't assume what I have and haven't read. You've been proven wrong aplenty on this forum, and you're on the verge of that happening again.

I did not state that "he" (who?) said Jews were not killed during World War II.

I said that this is another plank floated by the wholly disgusting Iranian regime to keep anti-Jewish sentiment fed both internally and abroad. And apparently one clever enough to fool the easily fooled (or those willing for personal reasons to believe).

Iran: "What, how dare you censor us! We are a sovereign nation! We are merely hosting a discussion! Hypocrites, when it is not a cause you agree with, you wish us silent!"

Of course. The poor dears are merely interested in open, academic discussion.

For the record, I disagree strenuously with anti-hate speech laws like Germany's and Canada's that disallow discussion on these topics. I believe in allowing everything to be brought to light, because that's the best way to expose fools for their very nature. But the idea that this is anything but a self-serving political ploy by the Iranians to continue to prop up their regime is plain hysterical.

Im sorry show me numerous times where I have been proven wrong. I would love to see that Mr. I know it all. I know what I am talking about and I dont care what you have read,

I speak and understand farsi. I heard it directly from his mouth.

You are posting nothing but non-sense. Anti-Jewish? Prove it. Prove Iran is anti-Jewish. YOU CANNOT. Iran protects the Jewish minorities inside Iran. Therefore your entire post is garbage.

You are just rambling on about nothing. If you want to prove your post to be accurate then prove that Iran is against Jews.

Can I just link to all of the Off Topic forum? Seriously, don't make me laugh. Your credibility is a literal (well, electronic) joke.

You can speak and understand Farsi. How amazing. You must be the only person on this forum who can accomplish such a feat. That's the AnandTech Forums for you - couple hundred thousand white and Asian boys - and one guy who can understand Farsi. Yep, that's what the demography must be. All hail Aimster, our one and only precious translating resource. How misled we all were until his fantastic arrival.

When the "elected" president of Iran's regime explicitly states in multiple instances his wish to have the one Jewish nation in the world "wiped off the map." Of course, I'm sure you'll immediately leap to the defence that Israel != the Jewish people. Just about the world's largest concentration of them. I guess wiping out a nation of Jews doesn't involve killing any Jews these days. Nice little mental sleight of hand.

When Hezbollah is trained, supplied and encouraged by Iranian government agents - all with a dash of plausible deniability, of course - I'm sure it's just the action of a few malicious perpetrators with a little bit of power. Who provide know-how on explosives. And delivery high-quality arms to Hezbollah fighters. And allow for visits by operatives to the nation for further military training.

But considering the Iranian regime protects all of a few ten thousand Jews that remain inside the nation, I'm sure we're just misunderstanding the message. They would never keep a token population of Jews around for the sake of the PR game, ready to be wheeled out in front of the world press when it's time to exclaim, "Look, we treat our Jews very well!".

I spend an inordinate amount of time correcting people's fallacious thoughts on Islam and the Middle East in general, but, god, STFU. Whitewashing and further adding credence to the Iranian regime's use of the Jewish people as a scapegoat is plain disgusting.

You must think you are pretty smart dont you?
Obviously you are just showing how clueless you are when it comes to Iranian politics and news.

Iran's President is a) Not the leader of Iran b) He never said to nuke Israel or to kill their citizens. He said wipe Israel off the face of the map with the helps of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Maybe you should use your common sense to figure out that doesnt mean killing anyone.

Hezbollah is against Israel not Jews.

You have proven squat.

Israeli = Israeli
Jewish = Jewish

Get your facts straight or continue to post non-sense thinking you are mr.know it all.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
Fooled by what? The fact that he actually said Jews died during WW2 but you want me to go against what came out of his own mouth? OK.

Are you saying something got lost in translation? That the translators have an agenda?

What Ahmadinejad is doing is very sneaky, as he is presenting the matter as a false dilemma:
He states that either (1) the holocaust did not exist, or (2) it did exist and had something to do with the creation of the state of Israel.

Ultimately, what he thinks about the holocaust doesn't really matter -- it is merely a tool, since his objective is to associate the holocaust with the creation of the state of Israel. It is no different than the usual rhetoric that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the root of all the problems in the Middle East.

I am saying he never said Jews were not killed during WW2.

why are you even debating this with me? I am right. He never said that.

& I already said his entire purpose is to cry for Palestine.

So what exactly are you trying to tell me?

 

[yllus]

I don't think I'm pretty smart, I'm just not stupid. Okay, here it is, the grand revelation in big wide bold letters for a better chance of getting through your thick skull!

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON OF IRANIAN DESCENT POSTING IN THIS THREAD! I WILL GIVE YOU EIGHT GUESSES AS TO WHO IT IS. LOGICALLY FOLLOWING FROM THIS FACT, YOU MAY ASSUME THAT BEING OF IRANIAN DESCENT, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT HE MIGHT ALSO TAKE A SPECIAL INTEREST IN IRANIAN POLITICS AND NEWS.

Jesus, you're dumber than a box of hair. Do you get it yet? You don't have some expertise on Iran that others don't have. In fact, you take that little prize of yours and turn it around completely in reverse and attempt to split as many hairs as needed to profess the Iranian regime's innocence on Jewish scapegoating. It's sad, paper-thin, and now that I think about it, actually pretty funny. Carry on demanding your facts!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't think I'm pretty smart, I'm just not stupid. Okay, here it is, the grand revelation in big wide bold letters for a better chance of getting through your thick skull!

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON OF IRANIAN DESCENT POSTING IN THIS THREAD! I WILL GIVE YOU EIGHT GUESSES AS TO WHO IT IS. LOGICALLY FOLLOWING FROM THIS FACT, YOU MAY ASSUME THAT BEING OF IRANIAN DESCENT, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT HE MIGHT ALSO TAKE A SPECIAL INTEREST IN IRANIAN POLITICS AND NEWS.

Jesus, you're dumber than a box of hair. Do you get it yet? You don't have some expertise on Iran that others don't have. In fact, you take that little prize of yours and turn it around completely in reverse and attempt to split as many hairs as needed to profess the Iranian regime's innocence on Jewish scapegoating. It's sad, paper-thin, and now that I think about it, actually pretty funny. Carry on demanding your facts!

Are you going to post any facts to go against what I had to say

or..

are you going to get a heart attack because of a bunch of words on your computer monitor.

calm down take a deep breath. Stay out of P&N if you cannot handle it.

It is easy to prove people wrong on P&N. You can bring up all the off-topic threads about anyone you want. Off-topic is about personal life and daily BS. This is P&N. You can easily prove anyone wrong on here. This is not about credibility or "take my word for it".

I am not here to "let me prove the world wrong". I am simply sharing what I know about Iran.

If you dont like what I have to say then ignore me. Simple as that.

If you act like this online then I wonder how you act in person. scaryyyy.

 

[imported_dna]

You articulate your ideas in such a way that puts a whole lot more emphasis on what Ahmadinejad said or didn't say -- it seems to be the central theme of your messages.

I have to say that I've seen your remarks regarding Iran in the past several months, and it still puzzles me why you are so intent on being so strict interperting what the president of Iran says.

You keep saying that Iran has no beef with the Jews, yet facts prove otherwise: they supply Hezbolla with weapons and training -- Israel has released a video of a captured Hezbollah fighter acknowledging that he went to Iran for training.

All these distinctions between zionists and jews are meaningless.

(btw, don't start going on about the Jewish population in Iran, since I doubt they are nothing but a token; recently, a Christian couple was arrested for operating a church, so you'll have a hard time convincing me that Iran is a multicultural paradise)

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
You articulate your ideas in such a way that puts a whole lot more emphasis on what Ahmadinejad said or didn't say -- it seems to be the central theme of your messages.

I have to say that I've seen your remarks regarding Iran in the past several months, and it still puzzles me why you are so intent on being so strict interperting what the president of Iran says.

You keep saying that Iran has no beef with the Jews, yet facts prove otherwise: they supply Hezbolla with weapons and training -- Israel has released a video of a captured Hezbollah fighter acknowledging that he went to Iran for training.

All these distinctions between zionists and jews are meaningless.

(btw, don't start going on about the Jewish population in Iran, since I doubt they are nothing but a token; recently, a Christian couple was arrested for operating a church, so you'll have a hard time convincing me that Iran is a multicultural paradise)

Don't you get it?

Iran doesn't hate Israel because they are Jewish.

The leaders of Iran see Palestinians getting beat up by Israelis and they feel they have to step in and do something. Nobody else is doing a thing and Iran thinks they are king kong.

As for Hezbollah Iran stepped in when Israel was beating the Lebanese around inside Lebanon. That is why Hezbollah was created.

It has nothing to do with Israel being Jewish.

Like I said, Iran cares more about Arabs than their own people. They do this because the rulers are a bunch of idiots.

I also think it has to do with the fact that the U.S supports Israel 100% of the time so Iran wants to go against the U.S by supporting Israel's enemies.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: dna
Oh, god.... here we go again..... Aimster wants a quote -- preferably from the BBC.

The man is one step away from stating that he Holocaust did not take place, and then he turns the entire discussion towards the Palestinian cause.

A lot of us aren't fooled by this, and perhaps its high time you got onboard.

He is one step away is different from actually saying it.

I dont care about assumptions. I want facts.

Assumptions are meaningless. If you cannot prove something then keep it to yourself.

Like I said you are not GOD to speak for people. Are you?

Fooled by what? The fact that he actually said Jews died during WW2 but you want me to go against what came out of his own mouth? OK.

From the article

The conference included an exhibition today of various photos, posters and other material meant to contradict the accepted version of events, that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews and other ?undesirables? in death camps during the war. News captions in Persian on some familiar photos of corpses at the camps argued that they were victims of typhus, not the German state.

So they can tell that from photos? LMAO at "facts".

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The leaders of Iran see Palestinians getting beat up by Israelis and they feel they have to step in and do something. Nobody else is doing a thing and Iran thinks they are king kong.

Instead of making them look like the champions of human rights, the simpler explanation of scapegoating Israel is much more likely.

 

[yllus]

Aimster, I've been on AT a lot longer than you have - and argued politics here before P&N was ever created. Believe me, I deal with giving and receiving heat a lot better than you know how to.

You don't want facts, and the ones you are presented with you pretend aren't on topic. And you don't know sh!t about Iran that the rest of us don't. Fact. If you lived there, maybe I'd lend you a little bit more credence. Alas, you're just another semi-educated American kid who thinks his ethnic roots give him this special edge in political debate. Go you.

If you possessed reading comprehension, you would have seen that the use of capitals and bold text was because your cranium was too thick to receive the message the first few tries. But if it helps you to take the obviousness of that and spin it into "omg dun get upset lolz", hey, I understand you're treading in shallow waters and need to grab on to whatever you can get.

 

[Aimster]

The reason I claim I know a lot about Iran is not because I am Iranian (btw I never really said I claim to know more about Iran. I just post information that's it)
Because I read the newspapers from Iran and I go on Iranian political forums.

I never said I know more than anyone in here either. I simply said I heard the President of Iran's speech and I understood it because I understand Farsi. Yet you sit here and talk about reading comprehension skills "rolls eyes".

I dont care how long you have been on ATOT or for how long you have argued P&N.
I am not here to argue. I am here to learn things and share my knowledge. You just like to argue

If you got facts to dispute my facts then post them. Otherwise WTF is the point of your conversation with me? To tell me about me?
I do not need you to tell me about me. I dont care

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
He never said Hitler didn't kill millions of Jews.
Show me his direct quote.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "We don't accept this claim,"

Doesn't get more direct than that. I don't understand what confuses you so much.

 

[tomywishbone]

They're having a conference to discuss something that never happened? OK then... carry on.

 

[Aimster]

There is a difference between what you quoted and what I asked for you to quote.

Maybe there was confusion. Let me try to clear it up.

Iran's President has never denied that Jews were killed under Hitler. When I asked for quote I was looking for something more like "No Jews were killed during WW2".

The President of Iran basically said this:

"First 1 million Jews died during WW2 then 2 million then 4 million then 6 million. The numbers kept going up and up and during this time the Europeans were making it into a major deal. This is all to create the state of Israel. That is why today Europe has banned the debate of the Holocaust because they purposely created numbers to help create a Jewish state so the Jews could leave Europe. Jews did die during WW2, but there are a lot of missing facts and lots of questions that we will get to the bottom of"

That's not a direct quote, just from my memory.

So basically the Iranian President thinks far less than 6 million Jews died during WW2. He thinks the 6 million figure was created to make the world feel sorry for the Jews so they could have their own state. He supports his blabbering with Europe's ban on the topic.

How many Jews did he think died during WW2? I have no clue. He just acknowledges that Jews did in fact die along with everyone else. So it could be anywhere from 1- less than 6 million

 

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338873,00.html

who are these Jews?

Are these like the mullahs of the Jewish world?