Iran has no interest in Obama's olive branch.

[frostedflakes]

I'd at least wait until after Iranian elections are over, it seems pretty clear that the new admin is currently trying to reach out the Iranian people, not the leadership. As long as Ahmadinejad is in there diplomacy probably won't go anywhere, but with a more moderate reformist president dialogue with Iran could be possible.

 

[halik]

wow I love how the headine is a hyperbole of the content... faux news at its best.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jonks
go read my thread from a couple after Obama got elected and iran recognized it actually would have to deal with the US and couldn't rely on Bush's obstinate "we don't talk to terror states" position as a means of deflecting criticism.

If Iran refuses the olive branch it makes them the assholes in the eyes of the world, not us. Maybe you think that's a small thing, but obama's position makes us the good guys and Iran the obstinate assholes. See how that works?

and while you play games, Islamic extremists acquire nuclear weapons.

And ignoring the problem by ignoring the Iranians entirely in the world of diplomacy, helps how? There is no downside to keeping the lines of communication open...

There is a downside to doing nothing, and to assume mere words are going to accomplish the mission. Fact is, I very much doubt you have any intention of doing anything OTHER than watching them obtain weapons.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
They have to pose their dominant stance to their people, just like the clowns on Congress here.

Or like the Republican clowns in these forums....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
They are in a dominant stance.. they are dealing with a rookie who can't even figure out how to treat our allies let alone our enemies.

You are way to quick to critisize......especially after 8 years of having a traitor in Chief.
It is just fine if we keep on seeking dialogue over and over with Iran......at least if we are doing that there will be no needless wars.

Obama has not even been in office 100 days and people like you expect Obama to have solved all the problems...when it took GWB 8 years to screw things up!!

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
They are in a dominant stance.. they are dealing with a rookie who can't even figure out how to treat our allies let alone our enemies.

You are way to quick to critisize......especially after 8 years of having a traitor in Chief.
It is just fine if we keep on seeking dialogue over and over with Iran......at least if we are doing that there will be no needless wars.

Obama has not even been in office 100 days and people like you expect Obama to have solved all the problems...when it took GWB 8 years to screw things up!!

That is interesting. I could have sworn radical Islam and radical states such as Iran were problems long before GWB took office.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Iran

Oops. Well, at least he 'tried' right? I guess we're back to Bush's policy on Iran now. Maybe Obama could up the offer of peace with a box of DVD's? Obama is so out of his league here its not funny.. I bet he really thought his offer would be accepted and peace and rainbows would rain from heaven.

So please enlighten us as to the disadvantages of trying to acheive peace through peaceful means....we really want you to share your wisdom with us....please......

Most likely he knew the offer would not be accepted, yet you still have to try...or am I missing something here.....

 

[BladeVenom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSlVaxfZlA

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Unpossible!! We were told Obamas open arms policy was a sure thing!! Maybe we just need to send the teleprompter over to open the peace talks?

So oh wise one...please direct us to a link that said dialogue and discussions before taking military action was a sure thing??

I am sure that your dribble was meaningless.

In actuallity....the problems we faced as a nation with the international community was we were seen as not willing to even talk to those we might disagree with.......

So I take it you would surely like to go to war and then after the war we sit down and talk....after we have had casualties and mothers have lost their sons...hmmm.....

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I'd at least wait until after Iranian elections are over, it seems pretty clear that the new admin is currently trying to reach out the Iranian people, not the leadership. As long as Ahmadinejad is in there diplomacy probably won't go anywhere, but with a more moderate reformist president dialogue with Iran could be possible.

I wonder how many Iranian people know this offer was made in the first place considering:

It wasn't clear how many Iranians were able to see the video, which was not aired on state television in Iran on Friday. It was likely shown on Farsi-language TV stations beamed in from outside of the country, but many Iranians don't watch television in the first days of long Nowruz holiday that is normally filled with family gatherings or vacations away from home.

I wonder if the Mullahs will even permit the video to air at all?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSlVaxfZlA

Link without context...what's your point?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Iran

Oops. Well, at least he 'tried' right? I guess we're back to Bush's policy on Iran now. Maybe Obama could up the offer of peace with a box of DVD's? Obama is so out of his league here its not funny.. I bet he really thought his offer would be accepted and peace and rainbows would rain from heaven.

So please enlighten us as to the disadvantages of trying to acheive peace through peaceful means....we really want you to share your wisdom with us....please......

Most likely he knew the offer would not be accepted, yet you still have to try...or am I missing something here.....

The disadvantage is that you're trying to achieve peace through ZERO means. If letting Iran do whatever it wants = peace, then yeah you'll get all the peace you want.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
They will show an interest once we deliver a couple of these new bad-boys to Israel. Russia better get that S-300 there pronto. I would be willing to bet that these guys have S-300 evading capabilites.


http://www.upi.com/Security_In...gle/UPI-45871237399400

"The F-15 Silent Eagle is designed to meet our international customers' anticipated need for cost-effective stealth technologies, as well as for large and diverse weapons payloads," Mark Bass, Boeing F-15 program vice president, said in a statement.

Yeah we deliver them, with our tax money.

I thought you were against wasteful spending.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSlVaxfZlA

Link without context...what's your point?

Iran doesn't like us, and they certainly don't like Obama.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I see the Islamaphobes are all pissing in their pants. There is nothing more terrifying to psychopaths than reason.

Cowards die many times before their deaths, the valiant never taste of death but once.

are you speaking from personal experience?
If so you are either dead or have wet pants.

Actually daniel, Moonbeam is talking about people like you.
Moonbeam is 100% correct on that account!!

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I see the Islamaphobes are all pissing in their pants. There is nothing more terrifying to psychopaths than reason.

Cowards die many times before their deaths, the valiant never taste of death but once.

are you speaking from personal experience?
If so you are either dead or have wet pants.

Actually daniel, Moonbeam is talking about people like you.
Moonbeam is 100% correct on that account!!

+1 :thumbsup:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
They are in a dominant stance.. they are dealing with a rookie who can't even figure out how to treat our allies let alone our enemies.

You are way to quick to critisize......especially after 8 years of having a traitor in Chief.
It is just fine if we keep on seeking dialogue over and over with Iran......at least if we are doing that there will be no needless wars.

Obama has not even been in office 100 days and people like you expect Obama to have solved all the problems...when it took GWB 8 years to screw things up!!

That is interesting. I could have sworn radical Islam and radical states such as Iran were problems long before GWB took office.

YES, most likely true....
Yet uin the scheme of things Bush could have reached out and said lets talk....knowing full well nothing would be accomplished.

Yet he didn`t! In fact Bush could have set the precedent and tried to talk with Iran...that never happenned. All Bush did was use his 8 years to screw things up even more.

So why critisize Obama for knowing 100% what he is doing?

So your a Bush apologist??

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSlVaxfZlA

Link without context...what's your point?

Iran doesn't like us, and they certainly don't like Obama.

Iran is the 18th most population nation in the world with 70+ million people. Are you really trying to claim that a few hundred or thousand hard-liners in a YouTube video are representative of the entire Iranian population?

Polling would seem to suggest that many Iranians are actually relatively moderate. According to what I've read, early polling suggests that the reformists have a decent chance of winning the presidency in the upcoming election.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVSlVaxfZlA

Link without context...what's your point?

Iran doesn't like us, and they certainly don't like Obama.

Iran is the 18th most population nation in the world with 70+ million people. Are you really trying to claim that a few hundred or thousand hard-liners in a YouTube video are representative of the entire Iranian population?

Polling would seem to suggest that many Iranians are actually relatively moderate. According to what I've read, early polling suggests that the reformists have a decent chance of winning the presidency in the upcoming election.

Exactly... The Iranian people are opressed, and most of them are not in agreement with thier government. Its just not hte kind of place you speak out.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Contards: Not Known For Deep Thinking

The Iranian people like us - The Iranian President doesn't.

The Iranian President has tenuous support in his nation and is facing a serious re-election battle from a moderate reformist candidate.

So Imadinnerjacket must choose between his conservative base or the more moderate elements in Iranian society.


Looks like Mahmoud is being set up like a bowling pin.

Correct. The upcoming elections in Iran will shape how the current leadership will respond. To appeal to their base they have to put on a show of tough stance and anti US rhetoric. One has to understand that the main base of hardliners is rural and thats who they have to appeal to if they want to win reelection. The moderates are more popular in urban areas and the people in urban areas are not anti US.

Those who are simply criticizing the US offer simply for criticism's sake, it might help to understand the dynamics of Iranian politics before spouting off.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
They will show an interest once we deliver a couple of these new bad-boys to Israel. Russia better get that S-300 there pronto. I would be willing to bet that these guys have S-300 evading capabilites.


http://www.upi.com/Security_In...gle/UPI-45871237399400

"The F-15 Silent Eagle is designed to meet our international customers' anticipated need for cost-effective stealth technologies, as well as for large and diverse weapons payloads," Mark Bass, Boeing F-15 program vice president, said in a statement.

Yeah we deliver them, with our tax money.

I thought you were against wasteful spending.

Well unless Obama cuts military aid to Israel, it doesnt matter if it is wasteful or not. It will be up to him to decide if it is wasteful.

Personally I think Israel should buy them, not be given them. Good for American jobs, and good for having an ally in that f*cked up region.

They more than paid us back for any aid by taking out Iraq's and Syria's reactors.

 

[gallivanter]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Contards: Not Known For Deep Thinking

The Iranian people like us - The Iranian President doesn't.

The Iranian President has tenuous support in his nation and is facing a serious re-election battle from a moderate reformist candidate.

So Imadinnerjacket must choose between his conservative base or the more moderate elements in Iranian society.


Looks like Mahmoud is being set up like a bowling pin.

Sure about that, that the Iranian people like us?


Polls don't indicate any type of broad support.




And I didn't realize that Mahmoud ran the nation. When did this change happen?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jonks
go read my thread from a couple after Obama got elected and iran recognized it actually would have to deal with the US and couldn't rely on Bush's obstinate "we don't talk to terror states" position as a means of deflecting criticism.

If Iran refuses the olive branch it makes them the assholes in the eyes of the world, not us. Maybe you think that's a small thing, but obama's position makes us the good guys and Iran the obstinate assholes. See how that works?

and while you play games, Islamic extremists acquire nuclear weapons.

And ignoring the problem by ignoring the Iranians entirely in the world of diplomacy, helps how? There is no downside to keeping the lines of communication open...

There is a downside to doing nothing, and to assume mere words are going to accomplish the mission. Fact is, I very much doubt you have any intention of doing anything OTHER than watching them obtain weapons.

Wrong. I would not like to see Iran obtain atomic weapons. However, not talking limits us to only two options to affect this: Bomb them, or hope for the best. Ignoring direct diplomacy is just plain stupid, especially when it is without any cost on our part (aside from the normal budget of the state department). All options need to be on the table. Don't assume that just because someone favors a diplomatic approach that they would just 'no nothing'.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Unpossible!! We were told Obamas open arms policy was a sure thing!!

Really? when? I could have sworn he merely said it was a better position and that nothing could be achieved if we steadfastly refused any negotiations. If Iran balks at talks, already the US becomes the "pursuer of peace." Every poll taken indicates the rest of the world has increased their respect for the US since Obama was elected. This gives us political capital, which is useful in avoiding full scale wars. I know that ticks off the hawks and chickenhawks, but too bad.

Exactly... Why is this so hard for people like Specop and Fear no evil to understand? Either they are thick headed, and just dont understand international politics, or they are just trying to be trolls and crap all over anything and everything Obama says and does.

Well, I think they see things the way they appear.

A country who has officially called for the destruction of a US ally, and then goes about creating nuclear weapons. And this is someone we want to provide with as much benefit of the doubt as possible?

 

[wwswimming]

Iran was a democracy until the United States deposed the democratically
elected Mossadegh in favor of the dictator Shah, in the 1950's.

the Shah was in power until about 1979.

Iran has very good reasons not to trust the US, based on experience.