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Iran has missing US Stealth Drone

TechBoyJK

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/05/us-military-sources-iran-has-missing-us-drone/

Iran is in possession of a RQ-170 Sentinel drone that went missing over the Islamic Republic, U.S. military sources told Fox News on Monday.

The Sentinel is the same kind of stealth high tech drone that was used to monitor the compound during the raid that killed Usama bin Laden in Pakistan, the sources said.

The sources confirmed the Iranians have the drone, however, they did not say that the Iranians shot down the spy plane, as was reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency.

"An advanced RQ-170 unmanned American spy plane was shot down by Iran's armed forces. It suffered minor damage and is now in possession of Iran's armed forces," IRNA quoted an unidentified Iranian military official saying Sunday. The official also warned of strong and crushing response to any violations of the country's airspace by American drone aircraft.
Earlier, the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan issued a statement saying the aircraft may have been a drone that operators lost contact with last week while it was flying a mission over neighboring western Afghanistan.

A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the incident, said the U.S. had "absolutely no indication" that the drone was shot down.
Iran is locked in a dispute with the U.S. and its allies over Tehran's disputed nuclear program, which the West believes is aimed at developing nuclear weapons. Iran denies the accusations, saying its nuclear program is entirely peaceful and that it seeks to generate electricity and produce isotopes to treat medical patients.

The RQ-170 Sentinel is made by Lockheed Martin and is equipped with stealth technology.

Iran said in January that two pilotless spy planes it had shot down over its airspace were operated by the United States and offered to put them on public display. In July, Iranian military officials showed Russian experts several U.S. drones they said were shot down in recent years.

Also in July, Iranian lawmaker Ali Aghazadeh Dafsari said Iran's Revolutionary Guard shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that was trying to gather information on an underground uranium enrichment site.

Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., told Fox News on Monday that "it's less likely than not" that the Iranians did not shoot down the plane, but it had a mechanical or computer malfunction that caused it to go down "and then used it for propaganda purposes."

"In the past, they have claimed these shoot-downs and been unable to produce any pieces of the drone, and currently, they have not exhibited any piece of the RQ-170 yet," he said.

Interesting. I didn't even know the US was flying drones over IRAN. Or did IRAN shoot one down over Iraq and steal it? I wonder what IRAN's crushing response will be?
 

gevorg

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If Iran would fly a drone over US, we would launch a full scaled war against them.
 

JTsyo

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/05/us-military-sources-iran-has-missing-us-drone/



Interesting. I didn't even know the US was flying drones over IRAN. Or did IRAN shoot one down over Iraq and steal it? I wonder what IRAN's crushing response will be?

Neither:
Earlier, the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan issued a statement saying the aircraft may have been a drone that operators lost contact with last week while it was flying a mission over neighboring western Afghanistan.
 

Oyeve

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I guess it went out of RC range? Batteries died on the remote and the plane kept flying?

Their should be a remote detonator on these this that blow it up should it ever lose contact with main control.
 

bfdd

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Are they seriously flying this shit over Iran? Why don't we just leave them the fuck alone? This crap is bound to happen, and always does, so why continue to aggravate them?
 

Macamus Prime

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I heard the Iranians already built a Metal Gear Rex out of the downed drone. That fucking thing is capable of launching a nuclear strike from anywhere on the God damn planet! It's a mobile nuclear launch site!!!shift+1!!!
 

Karl Agathon

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i heard the iranians already built a metal gear rex out of the downed drone. That fucking thing is capable of launching a nuclear strike from anywhere on the god damn planet! It's a mobile nuclear launch site!!!shift+1!!!

lmfao!!!!!
 

halik

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How do you force a drone on the ground with "minor damage". It's probably in the same shape as the F117 that didn't land so well in Serbia.
nighthawk-f117-wreckage.jpg
 

crashtestdummy

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...and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we use drones instead of piloted aircraft for this kind of mission. Can you imagine the stink if a manned spy plane got shot down? I can.
 

Lemon law

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Now that its probable that Iran has the RQ-170 drone in relatively undamaged condition, some questions remain.

1. Did the US merely lose radio control of the drone as they claim, or was it in fact shot down by Iran.

2. Could the US tell, if Iran used radio jamming techniques to confuse the drone or not?
But if Iran can jam the drones to prevent US personnel at remote sites from controlling drones, then the rest of the US drone fleet is vulnerable.

3. How did Iran detect the drone in flight? Its supposed to be stealthed from radar. Or was it just a lucky visual sighting by a ground based observer or a random plane. Or did Iran only detect the drone after it crash landed in Iran?

4. Was the drone originally supposed to operate over Iran or was it supposed to only operate in Afghan airspace? And then went into Iranian airspace only after drone control was lost.

I would imagine the answers to these questions should come out in a probable public manner in a week or two. As US intel asks the same set of questions at this point in time. I don't see this turning into a huge international incident, but I could be wrong.
 

crashtestdummy

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I don't see this turning into a huge international incident, but I could be wrong.

You're probably right. It would shock absolutely no one to hear that the US is spying on Iran, there is no prisoner, and while the aircraft was "recovered," concerns over tech secrets are overblown. When the Soviets recovered that U2 "largely intact", they didn't exactly go on to produce their own fleet of U2s based on what they learned. You'll see a similar result here. It's one thing to have a broken drone in front of you, it's entirely another to be able to make one.
 

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You're probably right. It would shock absolutely no one to hear that the US is spying on Iran, there is no prisoner, and while the aircraft was "recovered," concerns over tech secrets are overblown. When the Soviets recovered that U2 "largely intact", they didn't exactly go on to produce their own fleet of U2s based on what they learned. You'll see a similar result here. It's one thing to have a broken drone in front of you, it's entirely another to be able to make one.

Wait till they trade it to S.P.E.C.T.R.E for some of that missing USSR plutonium.

More likely China for trade agreements.
 

EagleKeeper

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I would expect that the drones have programming to climb to a set altitude and dive vertical in the event of communication loss for a set period of time.

Iran has located the pieces and wants to draw attention
 
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woodie1

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Strange. If Iran has the drone why have they not posted pics? Or, has anyone seen any pics posted on the the web?
 

irishScott

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You're probably right. It would shock absolutely no one to hear that the US is spying on Iran, there is no prisoner, and while the aircraft was "recovered," concerns over tech secrets are overblown. When the Soviets recovered that U2 "largely intact", they didn't exactly go on to produce their own fleet of U2s based on what they learned. You'll see a similar result here. It's one thing to have a broken drone in front of you, it's entirely another to be able to make one.

This. Especially given many stealth materials are made using classified materials, formulas, and equipment. It'd be like reverse engineering a modern computer without even a single fab to start with. It would, however, potentially give them samples to test new anti-stealth prototypes against.
 

Nebor

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They're too dumb to know what to do with it anyway. People here throw around the phrase "reverse engineer" as if some Iranian in a lab coat is going to walk up to the plane, hold down 'E" and a little progress bar will come up and advance, saying "Reverse Engineering..."
 

K1052

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Iran can't make F-14 parts. The likelihood of them churning out stealth drone copies is....remote...to put it nicely.
 

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They're too dumb to know what to do with it anyway. People here throw around the phrase "reverse engineer" as if some Iranian in a lab coat is going to walk up to the plane, hold down 'E" and a little progress bar will come up and advance, saying "Reverse Engineering..."

Although Iran has a domestic aerospace industry, copying an RQ-170 would be a big challenge for them.

The real "reverse engineering" will be when pieces end up in China and maybe even Russia. See what happened with the stealth Blackhawk which crashed in the bin Laden raid. Although China may be developing similar aircraft on its own, gaining a peak at how someone else solves problems is never a bad thing.

http://cnair.top81.cn/UAV/UCAV_SAC.jpg
 

davmat787

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Iran can't make F-14 parts. The likelihood of them churning out stealth drone copies is....remote...to put it nicely.

And their national airline, Iran Air, is falling apart because of the embargo against Boeing selling any parts or support.