Iran Good or Evil

[piasabird]

Why is it that when someone decides to talk about bombing Iran and the associated cost, that the topic is locked?

If a country attacks the USA should we let them keep attacking us or should we consider the alternatives.

Diplomacy VS War.

Iran at this point is an obvious aggressor and supporter of terrorists and terrorism. It looks like soon Iran and Syria will be the next targets. Not because the USA hates Muslims but because those two countries help and aid terrorists.

 

[Aimster]

U.S has done more harm to Iran than Iran has done to the U.S.

So by your own definition, U.S is evil.

 

[homercles337]

Your opinion is severely colored by your partisanship. "Go war go!" right?

 

[bamacre]

Are we not supporting terrorists inside Iran?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Are we not supporting terrorists inside Iran?

those are 'freedom fighters'

 

[sandorski]

Some don't Learn from History, some can't Learn from History.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S has done more harm to Iran than Iran has done to the U.S.

So by your own definition, U.S is evil.

The definition is defined by the perception of whose interests you have in mind. You think you do this country a service by calling it evil?

Piasabird,

Iran has acts of war and a nuclear program to answer for, but whether we are willing to face our enemy remains to be seen. It is apparent that many of us either views the conflict from Iran?s interests, or have taken into consideration the price we would pay and have determined that it?s not worth stopping them.

Iran would be evil if its interests were to attack another with its developing nuclear technology. That remains to be seen, obviously they are not ready to do so, although it becomes apparent that we will allow them to decide for themselves if they become that which we fear most.

It leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of us who recognize the Islamic Supremacist threat, as taught to us by September 11th. Yet, Bush?s folly has also countered that lesson by giving us a glimpse at our actions failing to produce results in our favor. The two lessons contradict each other. We need to deal with Iran, but we should not deal with them in a manner that is unfavorable to us.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran at this point is an obvious aggressor and supporter of terrorists and terrorism.

Obvious aggressor how? Because they've invaded several countries and overthrown their government to protect their interests in the region? Oh, they haven't? What, that was the US? Oh crap, I guess maybe the term aggressor's definition has been changed to those that threaten retaliation if they are attacked. Definition Nope, it would indeed appear that we, the US, are in fact the "obvious aggressor."

Aggressor - a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader.

Show me some sort of proof that Iran fits that description without using information disseminated by the US government. Our government is working overtime to spin folks just like you into a frenzy so they can garner further support for their perpetual war of aggression using whatever unverifiable information they can possibly produce. If people like you would get their heads out of their stink hole, we may actually be able to quell hostilities in the region. But, our government knows full well what it takes to rile up the sheep.

 

[Lemon law]

I fail to see why we should base diplomacy with Iran on poking them with sharp sticks and calling them nasty names. And then turning around and wondering why Iran does not love us
and respond more positively to our foreign policy.

Wiser leadership after WW2 converted our former enemies into allies. But we have been mired in a 30 year snit against Iran that is frankly not working.

Iran needs a stable Iraq far more than we do. And we have a secretary of State who studious pretends Iran does not exist as an entity to talk to as anything but a US servant awaiting the masters orders.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran at this point is an obvious aggressor and supporter of terrorists and terrorism.

Obvious aggressor how? Because they've invaded several countries and overthrown their government to protect their interests in the region? Oh, they haven't? What, that was the US? Oh crap, I guess maybe the term aggressor's definition has been changed to those that threaten retaliation if they are attacked. Definition Nope, it would indeed appear that we, the US, are in fact the "obvious aggressor."

Aggressor - a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader.

Show me some sort of proof that Iran fits that description without using information disseminated by the US government. Our government is working overtime to spin folks just like you into a frenzy so they can garner further support for their perpetual war of aggression using whatever unverifiable information they can possibly produce. If people like you would get their heads out of their stink hole, we may actually be able to quell hostilities in the region. But, our government knows full well what it takes to rile up the sheep.

So much as to speak ill will to US Aggression is in itself Aggression. Imperialism is a Mental Condition.

 

[Aimster]

EVERYTHING the U.S accuses Iran of doing to cause "harm" in the world, the U.S has done and done far worse.

U.S supports terrorist groups inside Iran.
U.S supports terrorist groups inside Iraq (PKK).
U.S harbors terrorist groups inside Iraq that are against the Iranian Regime.

U.S took Saddam's Iraq off the list of nations that support terrorist briefly so that Saddam could acquire dual-use weapons: EX. Chemical weapons.
U.S quickly gave Saddam helicopters to deliver those weapons.
Saddam was then added back to that list of nations that support terrorism.

U.S invades nations and occupies them. Iran has not invade any nation or occupied anyone.
U.S has overthrown a Democratic government inside Iran to install a U.S puppet.

& on top of all that... the U.S has decided to ignore Iran for the past 20+ years, imposed sanctions on them to hurt the population, called them terrorists (while we do exactly the same things), and displays their military within striking distance. All because the U.S does not like Iran's regime. Yet, we are friends with the Saudis who are far worse.

 

[BoberFett]

Most countries are exactly like the US. The average citizen is just trying to live his life, have a family, have a little fun now and then. It's the megalomaniacal leaders of most countries that are the problem. The people who always seem to rise to power are those least fit to wield it. That's true of both the US and Iran.

 

[Moonbeam]

Aimster: U.S has done more harm to Iran than Iran has done to the U.S.

So by your own definition, U.S is evil.

Jaskalas: The definition is defined by the perception of whose interests you have in mind. You think you do this country a service by calling it evil?

M: What kind of garbage is this? Definitions are never defined by perspective but by congruity with fact. Did the US use the CIA to overthrow an elected leader in Iran and install a brutal monster instead who oppressed the Iranian people? What evil has Iran done to us by comparison?

J: Piasabird,

Iran has acts of war and a nuclear program to answer for, but whether we are willing to face our enemy remains to be seen.

M: When will you face the evil your country has done to Iran. When are you going to face that you are the enemy, not them.

J: It is apparent that many of us either views the conflict from Iran?s interests, or have taken into consideration the price we would pay and have determined that it?s not worth stopping them.

M: It is clear that many of us are lying fraudulent assholes who kick other people in the head and expect them not to respond in the same lunatic manner you do.

J: Iran would be evil if its interests were to attack another with its developing nuclear technology.

M: You mean like we did to Japan?

J: That remains to be seen, obviously they are not ready to do so, although it becomes apparent that we will allow them to decide for themselves if they become that which we fear most.

M: What we most fear, the cowards and evil ones among us, is that they will do what we have earned to have done for what we have done.

You fear you will be nuked because it is your answer to everything. You are the monster you fear. You are the blind lunatic evil that haunts you.

J: It leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of us who recognize the Islamic Supremacist threat, as taught to us by September 11th.

M: Hahahahaha, You learned nothing from 9/11 except what it means to wet your pants. You are the Islamic Supremacist threat.

J: Yet, Bush?s folly has also countered that lesson by giving us a glimpse at our actions failing to produce results in our favor. The two lessons contradict each other. We need to deal with Iran, but we should not deal with them in a manner that is unfavorable to us.

M: The poor paranoid coward is never safe. Nobody ever does enough to protect him from the fears that well up from inside. He is bitter at the whole world because he can never feel safe. You are sick and will always be afraid at an endless string of enemies until you see that what you fear is inside, that you were traumatized and brutalized as a child and are haunted by repressed memories. You are a monster because you want other people to be dead so you can feel safe. You are the only source of real evil. Have some modesty. You are not worth the life of one innocent Iranian child. Get a doctor to help you face yourself.

 

[Andyb23]

I'm pretty sure a country can't be "evil". Unless it is Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, lol.

There are probably good Iranians and bad Iranians, its just that right now the bad ones are in power.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S has done more harm to Iran than Iran has done to the U.S.

So by your own definition, U.S is evil.

The definition is defined by the perception of whose interests you have in mind. You think you do this country a service by calling it evil?

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What kind of garbage is this? Definitions are never defined by perspective but by congruity with fact. Did the US use the CIA to overthrow an elected leader in Iran and install a brutal monster instead who oppressed the Iranian people? What evil has Iran done to us by comparison?

When will you face the evil your country has done to Iran. When are you going to face that you are the enemy, not them.

First, congruity with fact? Once again, I find your opinion is based on whose interests you have in mind. The difference between freedom fighter and terrorist, as liberals so often tell us, is defined by whose side you?re on. Yet you?re the one to bleat about congruity with fact, after twisting these things against American interests.

You bleat on about nightmares, yet your own nightmare is America. So frightened by it you call it evil. You assault its people, no less than verbally, likely worse if you had the opportunity. These personal attacks suit you Moonbeam, for that?s all you are.

The poor paranoid coward is never safe.

More congruity with fact to feed us? Bullocks.

You?ve nothing other than personal attacks, hollow as you are, only masked by the art through which you present it. I came here with a very moderate message, were you too blind in your hatred to see it?

When will you face the evil your country has done to Iran. When are you going to face that you are the enemy, not them.

So I have a right to kill you, should your grandfather or father wronged mine? I think not. Neither does Iran have a right to its aggression against our forces in the region. Of course you?ll say they do, but once again that is with their interests in mind, not of the interests of those they kill. What drives your excuses for their wrongs against us, do you support nuclear proliferation and the killing of Americans?

Maybe you do, every little boy wants to beat the boogie man, and in your case it is America.

It is clear that many of us are lying fraudulent assholes who kick other people in the head and expect them not to respond in the same lunatic manner you do.

Right, more excuses.

You mean like we did to Japan?

That was WW2, so you view us as evil then for waging a war of aggression against Japan? Such a radical view would fit well with your boogieman of evil America. It would act to legitimize such hatred of us.

What we most fear, the cowards and evil ones among us, is that they will do what we have earned to have done for what we have done.

Once more, you continue to argue that America is evil.

You fear you will be nuked because it is your answer to everything.

Find my quote on that, go ahead Moonbeam. Or, are you lying about that which you hate? Must be more of your congruity with fact.

Hahahahaha, You learned nothing from 9/11 except what it means to wet your pants. You are the Islamic Supremacist threat.

You?re right of course, I obviously want to impose my will on others. The will that they shall not repeat the attacks against us that their brethren carried out. I suppose that makes me a pretty bad guy. Of course, that all depends on whose interests you have in mind.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S has done more harm to Iran than Iran has done to the U.S.

So by your own definition, U.S is evil.

The definition is defined by the perception of whose interests you have in mind. You think you do this country a service by calling it evil?

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What kind of garbage is this? Definitions are never defined by perspective but by congruity with fact. Did the US use the CIA to overthrow an elected leader in Iran and install a brutal monster instead who oppressed the Iranian people? What evil has Iran done to us by comparison?

When will you face the evil your country has done to Iran. When are you going to face that you are the enemy, not them.

First, congruity with fact? Once again, I find your opinion is based on whose interests you have in mind. The difference between freedom fighter and terrorist, as liberals so often tell us, is defined by whose side you?re on. Yet you?re the one to bleat about congruity with fact, after twisting these things against American interests.

You bleat on about nightmares, yet your own nightmare is America. So frightened by it you call it evil. You assault its people, no less than verbally, likely worse if you had the opportunity. These personal attacks suit you Moonbeam, for that?s all you are.

The poor paranoid coward is never safe.

More congruity with fact to feed us? Bullocks.

You?ve nothing other than personal attacks, hollow as you are, only masked by the art through which you present it. I came here with a very moderate message, were you too blind in your hatred to see it?

When will you face the evil your country has done to Iran. When are you going to face that you are the enemy, not them.

So I have a right to kill you, should your grandfather or father wronged mine? I think not. Neither does Iran have a right to its aggression against our forces in the region. Of course you?ll say they do, but once again that is with their interests in mind, not of the interests of those they kill. What drives your excuses for their wrongs against us, do you support nuclear proliferation and the killing of Americans?

Maybe you do, every little boy wants to beat the boogie man, and in your case it is America.

It is clear that many of us are lying fraudulent assholes who kick other people in the head and expect them not to respond in the same lunatic manner you do.

Right, more excuses.

You mean like we did to Japan?

That was WW2, so you view us as evil then for waging a war of aggression against Japan? Such a radical view would fit well with your boogieman of evil America. It would act to legitimize such hatred of us.

What we most fear, the cowards and evil ones among us, is that they will do what we have earned to have done for what we have done.

Once more, you continue to argue that America is evil.

You fear you will be nuked because it is your answer to everything.

Find my quote on that, go ahead Moonbeam. Or, are you lying about that which you hate? Must be more of your congruity with fact.

Hahahahaha, You learned nothing from 9/11 except what it means to wet your pants. You are the Islamic Supremacist threat.

You?re right of course, I obviously want to impose my will on others. The will that they shall not repeat the attacks against us that their brethren carried out. I suppose that makes me a pretty bad guy. Of course, that all depends on whose interests you have in mind.

I take it you don't want to face your monsters. It is quite natural for the mad to love their illness. It gives what they feel to be their worthless lives a sense of meaning and importance. What is your problem with being a scared little nobody. How are you going to get well if you can't first see you're sick? Do you really think you're the only one who has your disease or that it's your fault?

 

[Jaskalas]

Didn?t realize the topic was about me Moonbeam, I?m flattered.

I?m still waiting for that quote of me.

You fear you will be nuked because it is your answer to everything.

*twiddles thumbs

 

[bamacre]

I don't comprehend why Iran should not have nukes. To think they would use them pre-emptively is insane. And to kill millions of innocents in order to prevent them from having them is, ironically, just as insane.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I don't comprehend why Iran should not have nukes. To think they would use them pre-emptively is insane. And to kill millions of innocents in order to prevent them from having them is, ironically, just as insane.

Thank you, for having a reasonable argument. Although, millions of innocents have not died in Iraq. What makes stopping Iran's government cost millions of innocent lives?

 

[Vonkhan]

Iranian wimminz iz hawt

 

[Alistar7]

The people of Iran are not evil, their leadership is another story. Best course for Iran is to hope/press for change from within, there is enough dissent to make that happen.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
I don't comprehend why Iran should not have nukes. To think they would use them pre-emptively is insane. And to kill millions of innocents in order to prevent them from having them is, ironically, just as insane.

Thank you, for having a reasonable argument. Although, millions of innocents have not died in Iraq. What makes stopping Iran's government cost millions of innocent lives?

Iran is not Iraq. Hundreds of thousands, if not a million, have died in Iraq. And an invasion of Iran surely would kill millions. And yet, for no reason apparently.

 

[Jaskalas]

Just don?t know where you get that number from.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I don't comprehend why Iran should not have nukes. To think they would use them pre-emptively is insane. And to kill millions of innocents in order to prevent them from having them is, ironically, just as insane.

An Iran with nukes means the regime stays in power for a Century and the U.S cannot bully them around anymore.

Right now Iran doesn't listen to the U.S because they can hit oil ships. Once they have a nuke the U.S can't control Iran.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
I don't comprehend why Iran should not have nukes. To think they would use them pre-emptively is insane. And to kill millions of innocents in order to prevent them from having them is, ironically, just as insane.

Thank you, for having a reasonable argument. Although, millions of innocents have not died in Iraq. What makes stopping Iran's government cost millions of innocent lives?

Iran is not Iraq. Hundreds of thousands, if not a million, have died in Iraq. And an invasion of Iran surely would kill millions. And yet, for no reason apparently.

Yes, millions died under Saddam, over 10k a month alone under the watchfull eye of UN sanctions. Thanks again to the US for ending that genocide. The freedom from oppression for 27 million Iraqi citizens is reason enough.

Aimster, it is not only the US that does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons or has issues with their regime.