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Iran 'behind attacks on British'

it's part of the plan, now if bushco can find a justification that people would remotley fall for when he has screwed everything else up.

How about a radio station taken over on the border of iraq?

We could use prisioners or refugees from NO to stage a false.... wait nm already been done.
 
Frankly I don't think it matters whether or not we can justify invasion...I doubt we can pull off an invasion at this point, much less an occupation that doesn't leave thousands of American soldiers dead.
 
Iran is behind all the insurgency in Iraq and I'm sure their hands are in many terrorist attacks in other places in the world.
 
Like it's a surprise to anyone...we've had it comming since Mossadeq. This is precisely what we earn with our foreign policy and covert operations and egocentrism. If that's a problem then people need to get out of those practices and NOT expect everyone else to change instead.
 
With all that oil money from SUV owners and no military left on our side, Iran can do what they want and no one will do anything about it. Welcome to the boy who cried wolf's world. You lied about WMD and over commited out troops, if something real comes up who will believe us or help?
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Whatever happened to the story about the British soldiers setting roadside bombs?
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They weren't setting bombs, the Iraqi police arrested them by mistake...
 
What's the problem? Ahmed Chalabi was supposed to be spying for Iran. Remember that? That was part of the Wolfowitz plot to flush Chalabi down the Pentagon toilet. Now, the inestimable Mr. Chalabi is the Iraq Oil Minister.

Think twice before wishing to attack Iran. It's only much larger than Iraq. It's population dwarfs Iraq's. We sank one of our nuclear carriers because it would cost too much modernize it in the Iraq war era. I think the USS JFK still sits in its homeport of Jacksonville Fl, its an oil burner.

Heck, I don't think we have replaced all the cruisemissiles and gps bombs burned up in Iraq yet.

If we do attack Iran, it begs the question. You and whose army?
 
Blair has become Bush's tool extraordinaire.

The UK public is tolerating the deployment in Iraq, but I seriously doubt they would buy the "Iranian connection" as a justification for expanded British troop presence.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the technology had come from Hezbollah in Lebanon via Iran and produced an "explosively shaped projectile".
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Damn they must have Arthur Andersen do their work!

So I guess it just proves that when the US government (or US-based contractors) provide weapons/expertise to Group A, then Group A gives it to Group B, and then Group B uses it to attack civilians or others . . . the US is "behind the attacks?"
 
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
What's the problem? Ahmed Chalabi was supposed to be spying for Iran. Remember that? That was part of the Wolfowitz plot to flush Chalabi down the Pentagon toilet. Now, the inestimable Mr. Chalabi is the Iraq Oil Minister.

Think twice before wishing to attack Iran. It's only much larger than Iraq. It's population dwarfs Iraq's. We sank one of our nuclear carriers because it would cost too much modernize it in the Iraq war era. I think the USS JFK still sits in its homeport of Jacksonville Fl, its an oil burner.

Heck, I don't think we have replaced all the cruisemissiles and gps bombs burned up in Iraq yet.

If we do attack Iran, it begs the question. You and whose army?
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I don't recall us scuttling any of our CVNs.
 
US weapons are in the hands of many brutal regimes, there is a movie out about it "Lord of War" - does that make the US guilty be association? Maybe we should invade ourselves.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
With all that oil money from SUV owners and no military left on our side, Iran can do what they want and no one will do anything about it. Welcome to the boy who cried wolf's world. You lied about WMD and over commited out troops, if something real comes up who will believe us or help?
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You are so uninformed. We actually UNDER commited troops to Iraq. Remember that Tommy Franks wanted 250k troops, Rumsfeld gave him 130k.

There are 1.2 Million active duty troops, add in reserves and guard and you have over 2 million. 130k in Iraq and ~20k in Afghanistan (combined make less than 10% of all available troops) Sure a lot of Air Force and Navy personell arent readily deployable to the ground in Iraq, but still, saying we have over commited is quite a stretch.

 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Iran is behind all the insurgency in Iraq and I'm sure their hands are in many terrorist attacks in other places in the world.
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No, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf Arab countries are behind the insurgency in Iraq. I don't know where you get your BS information about the insurgency in Iraq?
 
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Think twice before wishing to attack Iran. It's only much larger than Iraq. It's population dwarfs Iraq's. We sank one of our nuclear carriers because it would cost too much modernize it in the Iraq war era. I think the USS JFK still sits in its homeport of Jacksonville Fl, its an oil burner.
Heck, I don't think we have replaced all the cruisemissiles and gps bombs burned up in Iraq yet.
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Wow, do you really believe that the US Armed forces are so small that if we wanted to we could not handle several wars at the same time? Are you seriously suggesting that we don?t have a large enough navy to handle this war or that we are in danger of running out of air craft carriers?
Ok, just for the record the US Navy has 10 fully functional carrier groups currently in deployment and 2 more in partial readiness at any given time.
There is no danger of the US military being too weak to fight a war with a country as weak as Iran. Our military was designed to fight countries like the USSR and China.
Oh, and all the cruise missiles and GPS bombs we used in Iraq did not even come close to depleting our arsenal, and we have been replacing what we used.

If we do attack Iran, it begs the question. You and whose army?
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The answer is our own army is plenty, but if we were serious about it, us and any army we damn well wanted. Do you really think our allies would turn their back on the most powerful military and economic force in the world? When it comes right down to it, most of the world is scared sh!tless that we will get really angry with them.

I know it is not PC to say right now, and you want to believe that because you don?t like the current administration we are weak, but the truth is we are the most powerful nation in the world, by several times over, and a country like Iran has NO hope of being able to hold out against us if we invade, no matter who the President is.
Now, that does not mean that we should invade, but there is no doubt we have the power to do so successfully.
 
Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Think twice before wishing to attack Iran. It's only much larger than Iraq. It's population dwarfs Iraq's. We sank one of our nuclear carriers because it would cost too much modernize it in the Iraq war era. I think the USS JFK still sits in its homeport of Jacksonville Fl, its an oil burner.
Heck, I don't think we have replaced all the cruisemissiles and gps bombs burned up in Iraq yet.
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Wow, do you really believe that the US Armed forces are so small that if we wanted to we could not handle several wars at the same time? Are you seriously suggesting that we don?t have a large enough navy to handle this war or that we are in danger of running out of air craft carriers?
Ok, just for the record the US Navy has 10 fully functional carrier groups currently in deployment and 2 more in partial readiness at any given time.
There is no danger of the US military being too weak to fight a war with a country as weak as Iran. Our military was designed to fight countries like the USSR and China.
Oh, and all the cruise missiles and GPS bombs we used in Iraq did not even come close to depleting our arsenal, and we have been replacing what we used.

If we do attack Iran, it begs the question. You and whose army?
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The answer is our own army is plenty, but if we were serious about it, us and any army we damn well wanted. Do you really think our allies would turn their back on the most powerful military and economic force in the world? When it comes right down to it, most of the world is scared sh!tless that we will get really angry with them.

I know it is not PC to say right now, and you want to believe that because you don?t like the current administration we are weak, but the truth is we are the most powerful nation in the world, by several times over, and a country like Iran has NO hope of being able to hold out against us if we invade, no matter who the President is.
Now, that does not mean that we should invade, but there is no doubt we have the power to do so successfully.
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We are the most powerful nation, no question. We COULD handle many things, of that there is no doubt. You are also correct that this in no way implies the right to do so, or the need to do so...merely the means.

However, I would like to caution those that frequently espouse this view; do not be too impressed with yourselves. No nation is so powerful that it cannot be brought down...from without or within. The third reich was powerful - and fell. Russia was powerful - and fell. The Aztecs were powerful - and fell. Rome was powerful - and fell. Byzantine was powerful - and fell. The United Kingdom was powerful - and fell. Japan was powerful - and fell. The mongols were powerful - and fell.

My point is not to belittle America, but nationalism itself. Countries aren't ultimately powerful...nature is, people are, ideas are. America is NOT invincible, no matter how powerful it may be in comparison to the rest of the world. America will NOT last forever...no nation ever has nor will it. Eventually, all things change or pass entirely. This is as near to absolute fact as the world gets.
 
Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Think twice before wishing to attack Iran. It's only much larger than Iraq. It's population dwarfs Iraq's. We sank one of our nuclear carriers because it would cost too much modernize it in the Iraq war era. I think the USS JFK still sits in its homeport of Jacksonville Fl, its an oil burner.
Heck, I don't think we have replaced all the cruisemissiles and gps bombs burned up in Iraq yet.
Click to expand...

Wow, do you really believe that the US Armed forces are so small that if we wanted to we could not handle several wars at the same time? Are you seriously suggesting that we don?t have a large enough navy to handle this war or that we are in danger of running out of air craft carriers?
Ok, just for the record the US Navy has 10 fully functional carrier groups currently in deployment and 2 more in partial readiness at any given time.
There is no danger of the US military being too weak to fight a war with a country as weak as Iran. Our military was designed to fight countries like the USSR and China.
Oh, and all the cruise missiles and GPS bombs we used in Iraq did not even come close to depleting our arsenal, and we have been replacing what we used.

If we do attack Iran, it begs the question. You and whose army?
Click to expand...

The answer is our own army is plenty, but if we were serious about it, us and any army we damn well wanted. Do you really think our allies would turn their back on the most powerful military and economic force in the world? When it comes right down to it, most of the world is scared sh!tless that we will get really angry with them.

I know it is not PC to say right now, and you want to believe that because you don?t like the current administration we are weak, but the truth is we are the most powerful nation in the world, by several times over, and a country like Iran has NO hope of being able to hold out against us if we invade, no matter who the President is.
Now, that does not mean that we should invade, but there is no doubt we have the power to do so successfully.
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Thank you for interjecting on behalf of the origiinal poster. Based on our experience in Iraq, I have to ask, "you and whose army?". The US found itself decidedly short of signicant allies going into Iraq. Countries that have trade with Iran aren't going to ally themselves with the country that will wreck those arrangements. Iran is no different when it comes to motivating countries you seem to think are blind loyal allies.

The US had to ask for a brigade of Britiish troops to reinforce Baghdad before it could take on Fallujah. I know that doesn't sound familiar but, its true.

The DOD has been buying M16 ammunition at a premium from Israel. It seems that US capacity to keep the troops in ammo is not quite up to snuff. That's a national shame and embarrassment.

Are you going to wave your magic wand and create an extra million soldiers complete with training, equipment and supplies? That is what it will take at a minimum.

Iran doesn't need to fear invasion. It's currently impossible.
 
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Think twice before wishing to attack Iran. It's only much larger than Iraq. It's population dwarfs Iraq's. We sank one of our nuclear carriers because it would cost too much modernize it in the Iraq war era. I think the USS JFK still sits in its homeport of Jacksonville Fl, its an oil burner.
Heck, I don't think we have replaced all the cruisemissiles and gps bombs burned up in Iraq yet.
Click to expand...

Wow, do you really believe that the US Armed forces are so small that if we wanted to we could not handle several wars at the same time? Are you seriously suggesting that we don?t have a large enough navy to handle this war or that we are in danger of running out of air craft carriers?
Ok, just for the record the US Navy has 10 fully functional carrier groups currently in deployment and 2 more in partial readiness at any given time.
There is no danger of the US military being too weak to fight a war with a country as weak as Iran. Our military was designed to fight countries like the USSR and China.
Oh, and all the cruise missiles and GPS bombs we used in Iraq did not even come close to depleting our arsenal, and we have been replacing what we used.

If we do attack Iran, it begs the question. You and whose army?
Click to expand...

The answer is our own army is plenty, but if we were serious about it, us and any army we damn well wanted. Do you really think our allies would turn their back on the most powerful military and economic force in the world? When it comes right down to it, most of the world is scared sh!tless that we will get really angry with them.

I know it is not PC to say right now, and you want to believe that because you don?t like the current administration we are weak, but the truth is we are the most powerful nation in the world, by several times over, and a country like Iran has NO hope of being able to hold out against us if we invade, no matter who the President is.
Now, that does not mean that we should invade, but there is no doubt we have the power to do so successfully.
Click to expand...

Thank you for interjecting on behalf of the origiinal poster. Based on our experience in Iraq, I have to ask, "you and whose army?". The US found itself decidedly short of signicant allies going into Iraq. Countries that have trade with Iran aren't going to ally themselves with the country that will wreck those arrangements. Iran is no different when it comes to motivating countries you seem to think are blind loyal allies.

The US had to ask for a brigade of Britiish troops to reinforce Baghdad before it could take on Fallujah. I know that doesn't sound familiar but, its true.

The DOD has been buying M16 ammunition at a premium from Israel. It seems that US capacity to keep the troops in ammo is not quite up to snuff. That's a national shame and embarrassment.

Are you going to wave your magic wand and create an extra million soldiers complete with training, equipment and supplies? That is what it will take at a minimum.

Iran doesn't need to fear invasion. It's currently impossible.
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The ammo contract was most likely let to IMI as a favor to the Israelis. A domestic company (Winchester, I think) also landed a contract as the remaining government owned plants could not meet current demmand.
 
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