Iran at it again

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente
You are so wrong on so many levels. Iran funds terror and that is a fact given by the world's most advanced secret organizations, including your own CIA.

If it were not for the US you would not even know how good it is to live in a western society, as in Iran you are pretty much limited on many aspects and most likly live in poor conditions.

All I ask for is to live in peace. I could not care less for Iran and the people of it, as long as they let me and my country live in peace. but they do not - on the contrary - they actually make efforts in bringing terror to Israeli soil instead of focusing on building their own society and people, letting them enjoy the so much needed values of freedom and peace every other human being in a western country has...

If it was not for the U.S I wouldn't know how good it is to live in a western society? What are yout alking about?
Iran limited to live in poor conditions? What do you mean by poor? Financial? The people of Iran are not suffering and they do have money. In fact there are lots of millionares in Iran with plenty of business opportunites. The only thing Iran does not have are U.S goods, but they get the rest from Europe. You saw pictures of a poor suffering Iraq and you most likely compare that to the country Iran. I guess you also didn't know the police cars in Tehran are all 2004 C-class Mercedes Sedans.. so much for a country suffering.... The people of Iran are not hungry, this is not Iraq.

You want your country to live in peace then settle the Palestinian issue and don't blame it on Iran. As long as your country continues to kill innocent people there will be countries against it. The only country that defends your actions is the United States and the United States is all the way on the other side of the world. If you want the world to play nice with your country maybe you should listen to the world in the UN instead of ignore/have the U.S veto everything it has to say. Israel isn't exactly pro-Iran. This thread was about their nuclear sites. You clearly said to attack them. Israel obviously likes to pick on countries so they will have enemies. Iran has chemical weapons and lots of it.. have they used it on your people? No. So you saying they will use a nuke the first chance they get just does not make any sense and there is no evidence to back that up.

As for this freedom you so speak of I still do not understand the level of freedom that Iran does not have that you so have. Name a few examples that they are lacking that make them suffer.

Like I said no other country labels Iran as a terrorist besides the two I just listed. Europe has relations with Iran and they even send their PM to Tehran.

 

[Trente]

I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Trente
I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

same can be said about the US

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Trente
I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

same can be said about the US

And about Iceland too... :roll:

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Trente
I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

same can be said about the US

And about Iceland too... :roll:

not yet, at least no one has been arrested yet

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente
I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

Obviously like I said you do not know what you are talking about.
Restrictions, Yes. What kind of sites? Porn sites and sites against their government . They still have access to everything you and me have access too. Yahoo/MSN are dominated by Iranians from Iran (not that anyone would want to download those). How does that limit their freedom? Not that many porn sites to look at.. it is the end of the world. Israel does the same exact thing and don't even tell me they don't block out certain videos and prints. No matter what the reason to them it was a legit reason and to the Iranian govt. blocking out certain sites was legit too then.

The United States and Israel label any movement to defend the Palestinians as being a terrorist organization. Iran has the right to sell anyone that defends the Palestinians weapons as long as the United States is giving Israel billions of dollars a year in top of the line weapon systems. Russia sold North Korea, Iran, Iraq (prior to the war) weapons so I guess Russia now supports terrorism because the U.S labels North Korea and Iran as terrorist countries.

Recently a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian messages over the Internet? You must be anti-government because why would an Iranian spread anti-Iranian messages?

Like I said two countries who are so close and linked naming organizations and countries as terrorist countries does not make it so with the world. With Iraq, most of the world condemend their actions and labeled them as an evil country. The UN even put sanctions on them. Iran has no such sanctions in place, only by the United States. Iran has no name in the world as being a terrorist country except from the United States and Israel.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente
I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

Obviously like I said you do not know what you are talking about.
Restrictions, Yes. What kind of sites? Porn sites and sites against their government . They still have access to everything you and me have access too. Yahoo/MSN are dominated by Iranians from Iran (not that anyone would want to download those). How does that limit their freedom? Not that many porn sites to look at.. it is the end of the world. Israel does the same exact thing and don't even tell me they don't block out certain videos and prints. No matter what the reason to them it was a legit reason and to the Iranian govt. blocking out certain sites was legit too then.

The United States and Israel label any movement to defend the Palestinians as being a terrorist organization. Iran has the right to sell anyone that defends the Palestinians weapons as long as the United States is giving Israel billions of dollars a year in top of the line weapon systems. Russia sold North Korea, Iran, Iraq (prior to the war) weapons so I guess Russia now supports terrorism because the U.S labels North Korea and Iran as terrorist countries.

Recently a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian messages over the Internet? You must be anti-government because why would an Iranian spread anti-Iranian messages?

Like I said two countries who are so close and linked naming organizations and countries as terrorist countries does not make it so with the world. With Iraq, most of the world condemend their actions and labeled them as an evil country. The UN even put sanctions on them. Iran has no such sanctions in place, only by the United States. Iran has no name in the world as being a terrorist country except from the United States and Israel.

Would you please stop this already? ISRAEL DOES NOT RESTRICT ANYTHING. Give me a link you think is restricted and we will see if I can load it or not! I'd put my money that I am able to load anything...

I can express my views as I want and if I want I can spread anti-Israeli stuff on the web and I will NOT get arrested by my country. I am not going to argue with you any further! you can not, in any way compare Iran and Israel when freedom of speach and press is concerned. everyone who does so is blind from the truth.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente
I will answer in notes:

Iran funds Hizbulla = they feed terror. they only use terror against Israel via a 3rd party organization (Hizbulla) else they would be at a state of war against Israel and they do not want that. you obviously know why...

Only recently I heard Iran forcing harsh restrictions over the usage of the Internet. also, a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian info over the net. should I say more?

P.S. you did not even address the fact that Iran admitted going after the bomb, even after giving you a credible source to relay on!

Obviously like I said you do not know what you are talking about.
Restrictions, Yes. What kind of sites? Porn sites and sites against their government . They still have access to everything you and me have access too. Yahoo/MSN are dominated by Iranians from Iran (not that anyone would want to download those). How does that limit their freedom? Not that many porn sites to look at.. it is the end of the world. Israel does the same exact thing and don't even tell me they don't block out certain videos and prints. No matter what the reason to them it was a legit reason and to the Iranian govt. blocking out certain sites was legit too then.

The United States and Israel label any movement to defend the Palestinians as being a terrorist organization. Iran has the right to sell anyone that defends the Palestinians weapons as long as the United States is giving Israel billions of dollars a year in top of the line weapon systems. Russia sold North Korea, Iran, Iraq (prior to the war) weapons so I guess Russia now supports terrorism because the U.S labels North Korea and Iran as terrorist countries.

Recently a student got arrested for spreading anti-Iranian messages over the Internet? You must be anti-government because why would an Iranian spread anti-Iranian messages?

Like I said two countries who are so close and linked naming organizations and countries as terrorist countries does not make it so with the world. With Iraq, most of the world condemend their actions and labeled them as an evil country. The UN even put sanctions on them. Iran has no such sanctions in place, only by the United States. Iran has no name in the world as being a terrorist country except from the United States and Israel.

Would you please stop this already? ISRAEL DOES NOT RESTRICT ANYTHING. Give me a link you think is restricted and we will see if I can load it or not! I'd put my money that I am able to load anything...

I can express my views as I want and if I want I can spread anti-Israeli stuff on the web and I will NOT get arrested by my country. I am not going to argue with you any further! you can not, in any way compare Iran and Israel when freedom of speach and press is concerned. everyone who does so is blind from the truth.

When you have no solid facts to defend your arguement I do not blame you.
You take your freedom too easily. Go on a bus right now and gather a group of people to go against your government. You will be detained so fast.

For one from the top of my head the film Jenin-Jenin comes to mind. Since you claim you can say anything against the government why was this film banned?

Nobody has unlimited freedom as you so wish.

 

[Trente]

Go on a bus right now and gather a group of people to go against your government. You will be detained so fast.

OMFG!

Are you real? now I have no respect for you at all. You are a true ignorant if you think that I will be detained.

For one from the top of my head the film Jenin-Jenin comes to mind. Since you claim you can say anything against the government why was this film banned?

Because it is pure propoganda.

Nobody has unlimited freedom as you so wish.

True, else everyone will do whatever is on their mind; no society can put up with that.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Go on a bus right now and gather a group of people to go against your government. You will be detained so fast.

OMFG!

Are you real? now I have no respect for you at all. You are a true ignorant if you think that I will be detained.

go test out your freedom them if you so believe you can do whatever you want like that without being questioned, detained for a period of time, etc.

 

[Trente]

*kicks you in the head*

Wake up already! I live in Israel, not some sort of 3rd world country, say like......














IRAN!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente
*kicks you in the head*

Wake up already! I live in Israel, not some sort of 3rd world country, say like......














IRAN!

That makes you superior to the world. You're right Iran is a pile of crap. They have nothing. It's all sand anyways.. right?

By the way Israel is not that great of a place to be bragging about it like that. I don't see anything they have that their neighbor Saudi Arabia doesn't have. Good luck with your right wing Israel political life.

 

[Trente]

I don't see anything they (Israelis) have that their neighbor Saudi Arabia doesn't have.

*bangs my head in the wall*

I'm speachless!

 

[Trente]

GDP per capita:


Israel $ 19,700 2003 est.

Saudi Arabia $ 11,800 2003 est.

Iran $ 7,000 2003 est.


http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

I don't see anything they (Israelis) have that their neighbor Saudi Arabia doesn't have.

*bangs my head in the wall*

I'm speachless!

Wow you are so stuck in your box it is so sad. You should leave your house or maybe Israel and look at the rest of the world. No seriously what does Israel have that Saudi Arabia doesn't have?
I'm not talking politics I am talking materialistic things since you so love to classify your surroundings as third world.

 

[Trente]

Look at the post above you...

Saudi arabia + Iran < Israel

Can you get the picture? Huge nations with gigantic anounts of oil teamed and still fall short to Israel...

pwned.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente
GDP per capita:


Israel $ 19,700 2003 est.

Saudi Arabia $ 11,800 2003 est.

Iran $ 7,000 2003 est.


http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php

So you measure a country by their GDP? That's interesting... take a business class. I just took one and you will learn that isn't really a tool to measure a country's economic strength.

You still haven't answered my question as to what Saudi Arabia has that you don't have. They have luxury apartments/hotels and lots of luxury cars. They even have AMD Intel CPUs just like you and me. And guess what.. they even have American Jets just like your country. So explain to me what the third world countries around you have that Israel doesn't?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente
Look at the post above you...

pwned.

Hardly,
you are unedcuated and have no education when it comes to the field of business or economy and it is really ammusing to see you go at it.

 

[Trente]

GDP per capita does give a clue about something; it is a fact and you see it getting published everywhere. the fact that you have an advanced business knowledge does not imply that I am uneducated. *It is obvious that the average Israeli lives a better life that the average Saudian*

You are, again, biased as your skills in business (if you do have any at all) do not take their shape here, or else you would not even ask that.

 

[Czar]

Trente,
so its all about bias?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente
GDP per capita does give a clue about something; it is a fact and you see it getting published everywhere. the fact that you have an advanced business knowledge does not imply that I am uneducated. *It is obvious that the average Israeli lives a better life that the average Saudian*

You are, again, biased as your skills in business (if you do have any at all) do not take their shape here, or else you would not even ask that.

I do not have no advanced business knowledge it is just common sense. You are the one that likes to label the stand of living using the GDP and nothing else.

Obvious that the average Israeli lives a better life than the average Saudi? EXAMPLES.

You have yet to give me one good example with anything I said to this to the video tape being banned to everything else.

 

[Kibbo]

GDP per capita is a relatively good measure of the material wealth of a nation. Especially when matched eith data about the wealth distribution within the country, which would be very favourable in Israel's favour. It is a decent measure of food, shelter, education and health care, though between countries with comparable levels of per capita GDP there can be alot of measurable differences. Doubling the numbers, however, shows a significant difference that is relevant. Especially when the GDP of Israel is the product of a well-educated workforce, and not of oil exports. Which is essentially free money to the elites, in nations that lack public infrastructure or
representative institutions.

Israel has had strong democratic institutions since its creation. Although I think a few years ago they shut down a newspaper or two, on the whole they have a free press. The allow the unrestricted broadcast of Al-Jazeera, for one example. And when it comes to small examples of questionable democracy, all nations would be vulnerable to that accusation. Think Florida in '00, for an example. Or Canada's revoking the licence of a radio station in Quebec for racist slander.

The bulk of Iran's political power is centered in the hands of a religious council, which is appointed and has absolute power to ignore the decisions of the democratically elected parliament. Also, about 1000 members of the reformist opposition, including about 100 (IIRC) sitting members were arrested last year or the year before. This led to the opposition boycotting the elections as a sham, effectively making Iran's already powerless parliament a one-party body.

There are many measures on which you could criticize Israel, including the building and protection of settlements on Palestinian land as well as the lack of concern shown towards civilian deaths that result from their military action in the occupied territories. Keep your criticisms to where there is a reasonable basis for your opiniions, and your arguments might actually be listened to.

 

[alchemize]

Kibbo your logical posts are a total flamekill. Stop ruining the board

But that was a really nice way of telling Aimster he is a completely biased idjit.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Kibbo your logical posts are a total flamekill. Stop ruining the board

But that was a really nice way of telling Aimster he is a completely biased idjit.

:|

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente
Aimster, you are a complete IGNORANT for even thinking of saying that, STFU!

In Israel I can say whatever I want about ANYTHING. there is FREE PRESS. YOU DO GET REPOTS all over the place. NO ONE CONTROLLS ISRAELI MEDIA THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT AND ASK POLITICIANS TO ANSWER HARD QUESTIONS, NOT LETTING THEM GET AWAY. Is it possible in Iran? HELL NO!

Are you joking? besides religious laws? that's like saying: besides ordering the murder of ANY innocent jew, besides leading your army into nations that had no intention to attack you, besides bringing total destruction to your own people, how is Hitler not a great leader?

Where do you get your information from? Israel does not BAN certain films or newspapers? Yeah, Ok.
You are way too right wing Israeli and have no idea what is going on.

In Iran you can say whatever you want. You can be Jewish and nobody is going to cut your head off. I suggest maybe you step inside the country first before you open your mouth. Do you even know anything about Iran other than what the media is feeding you? People protest in Iran daily over the acts of their government and they do not get shot or hung or killed. They elect their leaders and you can deny that all you want, but that is true. Iran has a Jewish members in its council and recognizes the Jewish faith.. I suggest you stop kissing your Sharoon's ass and get to the facts.

You also mentioned above Iran said it is going for the bomb. I have yet to see any U.S/Europian media have this information. Show me where you got this information that Iran is going for the bomb.

I wouldn' call him dumb is i were you.

Fine. Changed.

He isn't dumb, just frustrated and somewhat uninfromed.