Iran Arming the Taliban

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes...rticleshow/4209975.cms

Iran is supplying the Taliban in Afghanistan with surface-to-air missiles capable of destroying a helicopter, according to American intelligence sources.

They believe the Taliban want to use the SA-14 Gremlins missiles to launch a ?spectacular? attack against coalition forces in Helmand, where insurgents claim to be gaining the upper hand.

Although British and American helicopters operating in southern Afghanistan are equipped with defensive systems to deflect an attempted strike, the SA-14 can evade such counter-measures.

It was a shoulder-held SA-14 supplied by Iran that was used by Iraqi insurgents to shoot down a helicopter over Basra in May 2006. Although the Iranians are not natural supporters of the Taliban, they have been willing to assist them in the past in order to prevent Britain and the US gaining influence in the region.

Special forces have previously intercepted arms shipments from Iran that would have helped the Taliban intensify a roadside bombing campaign that has killed 40 British troops over the past 18 months, including three last week.

However, coalition forces only became aware of the presence of SA-14s two weeks ago when parts from two of them were discovered during an American operation in western Afghanistan.

?The weapons are out there and we thought it was only a matter of time before they got one or two into the south,? said a defence source. ?A Taliban spectacular against British or American troops would reinforce an increasing view among ordinary Afghans that the Taliban are gaining the upper hand.?

In the past eight months, small arms and rocket-propelled grenade attacks on British helicopters in Helmand have increased.



I guess we should sit down and have tea with a rogue nation that fraternizes with out enemies. This is where our troops should be diverted.
 

IronWing

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Why would Shiite Iran support the Sunni Taliban, particularly when the Taliban are an arm of the Pakistani intelligence services and funded by Saudi Arabia, two of Iran's chief competitors?
 

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If you hurry you just might be able to enlist in time for your next war.
 
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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Russia also arms the Taliban, why do we still "sit down and have tea" with them?
Russia arms the Taliban? Proof?

btw, historically speaking, we only recently sat down with Russia for tea.
 

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Russia also arms the Taliban, why do we still "sit down and have tea" with them?

Because Russia and the Mujahideen are such good friends with no bad blood.
 

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Why would Shiite Iran support the Sunni Taliban, particularly when the Taliban are an arm of the Pakistani intelligence services and funded by Saudi Arabia, two of Iran's chief competitors?

because Iran and the Taliban want to engage in "Holy Wars"


still doesnt surprise me.


where are the "Iran having nukes isnt bad" people?
 

Aimster

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Before we ever stepped foot into Afghanistan or cared about Afghanistan.. Iran was fighting the Taliban.
Makes zero sense at all.

Because an Iranian sells a group missiles, doesn't mean the regime of Iran sold them.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Russia also arms the Taliban, why do we still "sit down and have tea" with them?
Russia arms the Taliban? Proof?

btw, historically speaking, we only recently sat down with Russia for tea.
I thought that it was common knowledge that Russian arms are being used by the Taliban and AQ.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7623496.stm

Obviously these sales aren't being done by Moscow (they don't like the Taliban any more than we do), but it could be the same situation with Iran. Is there any evidence to suggest that Tehran itself is arming the Taliban?
 

ranmaniac

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I would imagine any war zone is going to be rife with arms dealers/smugglers trying to make some money, especially Afghanistan with it's opium trade.
 

sandorski

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The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend. Not convinced that Iran is supplying the Taliban, but I could see them doing it for expedience. Just think how much better things would be if Bush hadn't included Iran in the "Axis of Evil". Diplomacy could have made Iran into friends.
 

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If we wanted Iran as a friend, we wouldn't have overthrown the liberal democratic government which was there back in the 1950's and propped up a ruthless dictator for decades, or pitted Saddam on them when they overthrew that dictator. This is a long standing policy issue.
 
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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Russia also arms the Taliban, why do we still "sit down and have tea" with them?
Russia arms the Taliban? Proof?

btw, historically speaking, we only recently sat down with Russia for tea.
I thought that it was common knowledge that Russian arms are being used by the Taliban and AQ.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7623496.stm

Obviously these sales aren't being done by Moscow (they don't like the Taliban any more than we do), but it could be the same situation with Iran. Is there any evidence to suggest that Tehran itself is arming the Taliban?
So you admit Russia doesn't actually "arm" the Taliban.

Iran is known to support terrorist groups, particularly when they are counter to US interests. While I'm not indicting them on this issue they have a far smaller benefit of the doubt than Russia does in this case.
 

kylebisme

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Sure, just like Iraq was given little benefit of the doubt in the case of WMDs. Such is how the game is played.
 
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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Sure, just like Iraq was given little benefit of the doubt in the case of WMDs. Such is how the game is played.
Iraq could have easily dispelled that doubt, just like Iran could now. Both chose/choose not to do such a thing. They would rather play games.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Sure, just like Iraq was given little benefit of the doubt in the case of WMDs. Such is how the game is played.
Iraq could have easily dispelled that doubt, just like Iran could now. Both chose/choose not to do such a thing. They would rather play games.

Uhh, no, they couldn't. The Fix was in and no matter how much Iraq cooperated and no matter how many US Leads turned up with absolutely no Evidence, the Invasion was going to occur.
 
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Sure, just like Iraq was given little benefit of the doubt in the case of WMDs. Such is how the game is played.
Iraq could have easily dispelled that doubt, just like Iran could now. Both chose/choose not to do such a thing. They would rather play games.

Uhh, no, they couldn't. The Fix was in and no matter how much Iraq cooperated and no matter how many US Leads turned up with absolutely no Evidence, the Invasion was going to occur.
Uhh, yes they could. Iraq could have cooperated long before Bush got into office. Saddam chose not to. His unfortunate mistake.
 

palehorse

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This isn't really news. Iran has been actively undermining our efforts in both Afghanistan and Iraq since day one, and they've done so regardless of religious or ideological differences they have with the recipients of their support. Just as we did with the Soviet Union, for decades, Iran will fight a proxy war with us anywhere that they can. Hell, they'd covertly support the Pope if we were at war with him -- that's just how proxy wars are fought.

Until we can somehow repair relations with Iran, these activities are to be expected.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Sure, just like Iraq was given little benefit of the doubt in the case of WMDs. Such is how the game is played.
Iraq could have easily dispelled that doubt, just like Iran could now. Both chose/choose not to do such a thing. They would rather play games.

Uhh, no, they couldn't. The Fix was in and no matter how much Iraq cooperated and no matter how many US Leads turned up with absolutely no Evidence, the Invasion was going to occur.
Uhh, yes they could. Iraq could have cooperated long before Bush got into office. Saddam chose not to. His unfortunate mistake.

What BS. They cooperated fully for Bush and that's all that mattered at that point.
 

BoomerD

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Hell, the US funded, trained, and armed the Mujahideen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

I'm sure that to the Muslim nations, this is just about the same.

FWIW, in 2001, I believed that we should have attacked Afghanistan/ Taliban because of their support for Osama Bin Forgotten.

Unfortunately, Bush got flustered and went Iraq-happy...and we more or less dropped the ball in Afghanistan.

We SHOULD have devoted far more resources to that problem before getting mired down in Iraq.
 

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The CIA trained the Taliban.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Sure, just like Iraq was given little benefit of the doubt in the case of WMDs. Such is how the game is played.
Iraq could have easily dispelled that doubt, just like Iran could now. Both chose/choose not to do such a thing. They would rather play games.

Uhh, no, they couldn't. The Fix was in and no matter how much Iraq cooperated and no matter how many US Leads turned up with absolutely no Evidence, the Invasion was going to occur.
Uhh, yes they could. Iraq could have cooperated long before Bush got into office. Saddam chose not to. His unfortunate mistake.

Seems like it was both of our's 'unfortunate mistake'.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The CIA trained the Taliban.

Yep, they used to supply weapons....I think Obama should force pak to dismantle the nukes they have because the region is so sensitive...anything serious that happens there could trigger a world war, members of their army itself is allied with Taliban ideologies.