[iPhone4] "Glassgate"

[Fingolfin269]

Maybe one day a cell phone company will develop a phone that is basically a phone + case design but also pleasing to the eye. If you're going to spend development dollars making a cool looking device that is fragile enough that people will want to cover it up with a case then why bother spending those dollars at all?

BTW, this lawsuit is ridiculous.

 

[akugami]

@LegendKiller

The sample size is large enough but there is a distinct lack of information necessary as per the lawsuit. As per the "anecdotal evidence" rule you copied from wikipedia, if it doesn't contain the necessary information it is anecdotal in nature. I'm not saying the study is wrong or false. I'm not saying it does not have statistical value (for another case). However, as it applies to this case and as others have tried to apply it, it has no relevancy because it does not contain the needed data needed to come to the conclusion that the iPhone 4 has a hardware defect.

You even admit the study does not contain the necessary data for the conclusion people came to. It satisfies rule #2 for being anecdotal. Therefor, my conclusion was it was anecdotal.Again, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be relevant and of statistical value in another case or for another conclusion.

You're getting way too worked up over an internet post. It's an internet post. I'm a faceless anonymous (to a degree) person on the internet. As are you. Go out and have a beer. Just sit and relax. Some guy on the internet is not worth getting worked up over. Not going to post further because that's just going to lead into an argument. Good day to you.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Meh, double the glass, double the breakage...

May as well butter both sides of a slice of toast, expect it to land on the crust, and when it doesn't, sue the bakerye

 

[Phokus]

Yup, don't know why anyone would buy one.
Its only the best selling iPhone ever :whiste:

Brittany Spears used to sell lots of albums too.

 

[kaerflog]

Brittany Spears used to sell lots of albums too.

Whats your point ??
The iPhone 4 is a bad phone ??

 

[Phokus]

Whats your point ??
The iPhone 4 is a bad phone ??

The point is, just because it's popular doesn't mean it's 'good'.

 

[kaerflog]

The point is, just because it's popular doesn't mean it's 'good'.

Still didn't answer my question ??
The iPhone 4 is not a good phone ??

 

[gsaldivar]

Still didn't answer my question ??
The iPhone 4 is not a good phone ??

I don't think anyone in this thread is saying that at all.

 

[MrX8503]

Dropped my iPhone 4 on concrete. :0(

I had no protection so the little plastic edge part got scraped. The glass didn't break, luckily.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

having a glass backing has got to be one of the most retarded design decisions ever. i cant believe they didnt realize this on their own. its one of the reasons i havent bothered to upgrade my 3gs

 

[cheezy321]

Still didn't answer my question ??
The iPhone 4 is not a good phone ??

FYI: I wouldnt expect a useful response from him.

 

[tk149]

1. People who buy glass phones shouldn't drop them.
2. Phone designers that make glass phones shouldn't advertise the glass as being "20 times harder and 30 times stiffer than plastic". Does this not tend to give the impression that the phone is very durable?
3. Phone designers shouldn't make phones out of more glass than is necessary unless they warn the consumer that their phone is more likely to break.

4. A lawsuit is not inappropriate in this case. Given the responses in this thread, dropping a phone from waist height might be considered normal usage. Part of the process after filing a lawsuit is getting a court to order that documents (such as details regarding the number of iPhone 3's and iPhone 4's that have been returned for broken glass) be provided to the plaintiff. SquareTrade's data ought to be good enough to convince a judge to give that court order.

 

[kaerflog]

I don't think anyone in this thread is saying that at all.

Sure there is, Legendkiller.
All my sarcasms were directed at him.
He called everyone who keep buying IP4s "silly Apple users"
My comment was that we all must be stupid then because the IP4 is the best selling iphone.
So then Phokus made an analogy about Britney Spears except he missed the part about the IP4 being great phone.

 

[cheezy321]

Sure there is, Legendkiller.
All my sarcasms were directed at him.
He called everyone who keep buying IP4s "silly Apple users"
My comment was that we all must be stupid then because the IP4 is the best selling iphone.
So then Phokus made an analogy about Britney Spears except he missed the part about the IP4 being great phone.

Phokus likes to blame big corporations for everything. If a company is successful, they must be screwing out the 'average joe' in some way.

Legendkiller just likes to think apple users are all mindless sheep.

Ignore them. The majority of Apple haters hate the iPhone because its wildly successful. Which is the exact definition of a 'hater'.

 

[LegendKiller]

Sure there is, Legendkiller.
All my sarcasms were directed at him.
He called everyone who keep buying IP4s "silly Apple users"
My comment was that we all must be stupid then because the IP4 is the best selling iphone.
So then Phokus made an analogy about Britney Spears except he missed the part about the IP4 being great phone.

My wife has one. I laugh at how stylish her big rubber bumper is. How she's constantly worried about it dropping once. How she babies it, lest the screen crack.

The iPhone isn't even that great of a phone. She's constantly complaining about dropped calls (despite the big rubber bumper) versus her Blackberry.

Meanwhile, I don't have a rubber case on my bold, I don't have to treat it like an egg, and I don't have a single dropped call.

Now, tell me, which is a better phone?

If the question were, which one is a better internet browser, or a multi-function smart-phone, it might be the iPhone. But which one is more practical? The blackberry.

As I reiterated many times, I don't think the iPhone is a bad phone. I just think that Apple users fall all over themselves for the coolest device, giving little creedance to the actual practicality of the device. The fact that the iphone is obviously stylish but weakly built matters little to the users, they fail to consider practicality. Thus, I have no remorse for anybody getting into the iPhone and why I think the lawsuit is silly.

I think the Apple users are even more silly for buying such an impractical phone (I've told my wife that). Apple users would likely buy an all-glass car if Jobs tried to sell them one.


For the record, I am seriously considering buying a MBP (15") because I'm tired of cheaply made notebooks with crappy plastic cases, poorly constructed internals, and even worse cooling. I also own AAPL, having bought it at about 100.

 

[zerocool84]

Phokus likes to blame big corporations for everything. If a company is successful, they must be screwing out the 'average joe' in some way.

Legendkiller just likes to think apple users are all mindless sheep.

Ignore them. The majority of Apple haters hate the iPhone because its wildly successful. Which is the exact definition of a 'hater'.

Android is more successful than iPhone is so the same goes for Android haters.

 

[foghorn67]

I actually like the backing on the OG iPhone.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with the materials on the current iPhone. It looks and feels nice. I would baby it, but i wouldn't start a riot if i scratched it.

 

[Patranus]

Android is more successful than iPhone is so the same goes for Android haters.

Incorrect.

The iPhone is the most successful phone the world has ever seen.

Apple makes more profit than all of those other manufacturers combine and since in America we measure success by profits for a company/shareholders the iPhone is by fare the most successful phone on the market.

 

[zerocool84]

Incorrect.

The iPhone is the most successful phone the world has ever seen.

Apple makes more profit than all of those other manufacturers combine and since in America we measure success by profits for a company/shareholders the iPhone is by fare the most successful phone on the market.

Android is more popular than iPhone. No other way around it. I just don't know what else to say. I don't even need to post charts like you do. Android is the world's best selling smartphone platform.

 

[kaerflog]

I would agree with you that Android is more popular but "more successful" ??
Hardly.
All you have to do is read this article.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/09/21/apple.reaps.high.margins.off.each.device/
To cut to the point, in the first half of 2010, Apple only sold 17 millions to the top 3 400 miilions but yet Apple claim 39% of the industry profit compared to the top 3 32% COMBINED.
Of course the iPhone 4 came out the 2nd half of the year so we know those numbers can only go up.

Its a simple concept why Android is so popular.
They are given free.
Google made it free when mobile OS were still maturing and now that Android is established, its an easy choice for manufacturers to slap Androids on their phones.
All 4 carriers, at any given time, you can get multiple Android phone for FREE with a contract.
Its not hard to figure out why people are snapping up Android phones left and right.

If Apple decide to license their iOS, manufacturers would line up to put iOS on their phones.
But Apple isn't that stupid. They are making crazy money off their phone division.
Just iPhone sales account for ~40% of Apple last qtr revenue.
Or how about iPhones account for roughly 50% of profit share in the cellphone market.
http://www.tipb.com/2011/01/31/iphone-market-share-profit-share-2/
More successful ?? I don't think so.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Android is more popular than iPhone. No other way around it. I just don't know what else to say. I don't even need to post charts like you do. Android is the world's best selling smartphone platform.

thats because android is sold at all carriers and iphone is sold at one, which many people dont like. wait until iphone is available on verizon, tmob and sprint, iphone will jump to 90% smartphone market share within two years

 

[kaerflog]

thats because android is sold at all carriers and iphone is sold at one, which many people dont like. wait until iphone is available on verizon, tmob and sprint, iphone will jump to 90% smartphone market share within two years

While I would agree iPhones would sell more if they were available on all carriers but iPhones will never sell anywhere near as much as Androids.
Its too easy for manufacturers to have Androids on their phone.
All they do is a little modification to the OS and call it a day.
Especially at this point in time where Android is well known and very easy to put it on their phones.
Not only Androids are available to all carriers, you have low end, mid and high end Android phones.
Something for everyone where iPhones is looked at as a premium phone.
There's just no need for Apple to change their mindset, they are making crazy profits off their phone division.

 

[zerocool84]

thats because android is sold at all carriers and iphone is sold at one, which many people dont like. wait until iphone is available on verizon, tmob and sprint, iphone will jump to 90% smartphone market share within two years

I'm talking about worldwide. Android is the #1 world wide. iPhone has been available on multiple carriers world-wide since practically forever. Only in America has it been only on one carrier. He said people hate on the iPhone cus it's wildly successful so I said that people can be hating on Android for exactly the same reason since it's the #1 smartphone platform in the world.

 

[MrX8503]

Android is more popular than iPhone. No other way around it. I just don't know what else to say. I don't even need to post charts like you do. Android is the world's best selling smartphone platform.

Its because his chart shows the iPhone (a single device) being the most popular. It doesn't show Android as a single platform in that chart, its all broken up between different manufacturers.