iPhone now has multitasking...

[extra]

lol seriously. While he raises some valid points, I hardly think Win 7 phones are doa.

I think the Win 7 phones will do great. I don't know much about them yet but if the interface and such really is like the zune hd, it'll be fantastic.

 

[basslover1]

Yea, good thing no one has to root their android phones...sigh.

Dont you have to root a Nexus 1 to even get apps to install to an SD card to get past the small storage issue? Oh yeah, you also need to root to get themes. Too bad people only moan about having to JB iphones to do that.

Find me a post, article, anything that shows where this has actually been a serious issue.

For now (Google is working on it) the application it self is stored in the on board memory. However, any data that it needs to store can be written to the SD card.

 

[Qbah]

Well it's about fcking time ! 😀

My 3GS is screaming from anticipation - can't wait till OS 4.0 goes live 🙂

 

[dguy6789]

Weren't iPhone users limited to like 180 apps? Without even touching the SD card, Android users could install way more apps than that even with 512MB or less of flash memory.

 

[dwell]

If it was a jack of all trades then it wouldn't have to be jailbroken and they have to make tons of accessories for it cus it lacks many things that other phones come with or at least give you the option to do. Apple is not a company of options, their way or the highway.

I've noticed three types of people who jailbreak:

1) Hardcore geeks looking to be elite and who want to run obscure apps
2) Pirates
3) People looking to jump carriers

Jailbreaking makes the OS slow and unstable and kills battery life. I don't see why anyone would really want to do it.

 

[TheWart]

Weren't iPhone users limited to like 180 apps? Without even touching the SD card, Android users could install way more apps than that even with 512MB or less of flash memory.

Well, let me see here. Grand Theft Auto Chinatown wars takes up a few hundred MB's iirc, many navigation programs take circa 1gb, a wiki or encyclopedia tool can run over 1gb, etc etc

500mb limit is laughable imo.

 

[dguy6789]

Well, let me see here. Grand Theft Auto Chinatown wars takes up a few hundred MB's iirc, many navigation programs take circa 1gb, a wiki or encyclopedia tool can run over 1gb, etc etc

500mb limit is laughable imo.

It's not like it's a permanent limit. SD storage is coming in a future update. I have over two dozen apps/games installed and less than half of them use over 1MB.

 

[TheWart]

It's not like it's a permanent limit. SD storage is coming in a future update. I have over two dozen apps/games installed and less than half of them use over a 1MB.

But in 2010 a 'premiere' smartphone comes with an artificial and manufacturer capped 500mb of app storage?! That's ridiculous.


hehehe
Just wanted to try out the old "but teh iphone lacks xxx in 2010? epic fail!!" refrain but in reverse.

 

[dwell]

Sort of like all those phones stuck on Android 1.6 or 2.0 but OMG NO MULTITASKING FOR THE IPHONE 3G!!!!

 

[Pliablemoose]

Sort of like all those phones stuck on Android 1.6 or 2.0 but OMG NO MULTITASKING FOR THE IPHONE 3G!!!!

It gets worse, with the custom interfaces installed by manufacturers, many of those phones will never have an OS upgrade path.

I wish to hell Apple would produce a phone for TMobile.

 

[secretanchitman]

I've noticed three types of people who jailbreak:

1) Hardcore geeks looking to be elite and who want to run obscure apps
2) Pirates
3) People looking to jump carriers

Jailbreaking makes the OS slow and unstable and kills battery life. I don't see why anyone would really want to do it.

i fall under 4) needing to jailbreak because of specific tweaks that make my phone more useful and less limited, like sbsettings, sms helper, rotation inhibitor, etc.

 

[dwell]

i fall under 4) needing to jailbreak because of specific tweaks that make my phone more useful and less limited, like sbsettings, sms helper, rotation inhibitor, etc.

I'd consider that 1).

 

[Phobic9]

I've noticed three types of people who jailbreak:

1) Hardcore geeks looking to be elite and who want to run obscure apps
2) Pirates
3) People looking to jump carriers

Jailbreaking makes the OS slow and unstable and kills battery life. I don't see why anyone would really want to do it.

When I upgraded from the iPhone 3G to the 3GS, the few weeks I used the phone, the experience was completely lackluster. Jailbreaking was a must for me when I had the iPhone and it wasn't about being "elite". I guess running apps like Winterboard so I could have the background to be anything other than a black screen is pretty obscure indeed.

To me, it looks like most of the "new" features in OS 4.0 have been used by the jailbreaking community for months/years.

 

[QueBert]

Jailbreaking makes the OS slow and unstable and kills battery life. I don't see why anyone would really want to do it.

My iPhone isn't slow, hasn't crashed once and the battery life isn't bad. JB doesn't lead to these things unless the person who did it installs a bunch of apps without doing research.

 

[TheWart]

When I upgraded from the iPhone 3G to the 3GS, the few weeks I used the phone, the experience was completely lackluster. Jailbreaking was a must for me when I had the iPhone and it wasn't about being "elite". I guess running apps like Winterboard so I could have the background to be anything other than a black screen is pretty obscure indeed.

To me, it looks like most of the "new" features in OS 4.0 have been used by the jailbreaking community for months/years.

It really cracks me up how people who brand themselves as "power users" or "geeks" laughingly claim that Apple could "slap some shiny apple logo on shit and sell it" and that apple is all look no substance are the same people who bring up as their number one or two complaint the lack. of. a. customizable. background.

Even better, I bet a high percentage of these people are the same ones that bellyached about how WinXP's default theme/style was flashy crap, and they bragged about how the first thing they did was change it too look like the barebones win98. Yet today we have them moaning about not being able to change their phone's background, lol.

Who cares if you can change the background? You have applications covering it up anyway

btw phobic, this isn't directed at you, the thrust of your post is used by many common posters on this forum.

 

[DivideBYZero]

RIM ... gives phones away and still only have 9% more.

No, they don't.

 

[QueBert]

No, they don't.

I made 2 statements, not sure which you're saying I'm not right on. According to numbers RIM has about 24% of the smartphone market in the US. Apple has 15% that's roughly 9% someone here even posted a pie chart showing the numbers. As for them giving phones away, yes they do. T Mobile wanted to give me a Pearl when I signed up with them last year. And I always see specials where you buy one BB for $49 and can get 1-2 more for free if you sign up for a family plan.

 

[Deeko]

lol @ an article that just assumes WinPhone7 won't have strong enterprise support. And repeated that fact throughout the article.


Umm - Microsoft owns Exchange, you know. Windows based phones will always have the most complete Exchange support (including the security features the author assumes won't be included). That article is just trollbail from a notorious troll.

 

[Deeko]

I made 2 statements, not sure which you're saying I'm not right on. According to numbers RIM has about 24% of the smartphone market in the US. Apple has 15% that's roughly 9% someone here even posted a pie chart showing the numbers. As for them giving phones away, yes they do. T Mobile wanted to give me a Pearl when I signed up with them last year. And I always see specials where you buy one BB for $49 and can get 1-2 more for free if you sign up for a family plan.

"free" is a misnomer, I don't think anyone is giving you a Pearl without a contract. And while that Pearl was free, at the same time how much was the latest Curve or Bold? Probably not "free".

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[hanoverphist]

bullshit, do you know how many 1g/2g Touches & 1/2/3g iPhones are out there? Calculate that times $10. Apple would make MORE money offering multitasking to all iPhone/Touch owners. Because many won't buy a new phone. But the majority would have no problem dropping $10 bucks. If Apple did this to make more $$$ they're stupid as shit, because I'm not buying a new device, and nobody I know is. But I would pay $10 to upgrade my Touch as would most people I know who have one.

no, i dont know how many 1g/2g phones are out there... do you? is there a source to find this out? regardless, the hardware has to be getting long in the tooth by now. hell, my brothers 3gs is beat the hell up as it is, and its only a year or so old. while i do see your argument about the 10 dollar upgrade, my bullshit call was to you saying that upgrading to a new phone wasnt one of their goals. all speculation since neither of us work there, but im sure they are hoping people will spend 500 dollars instead of 10 dollars. i know i would be.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

no, i dont know how many 1g/2g phones are out there... do you? is there a source to find this out? regardless, the hardware has to be getting long in the tooth by now. hell, my brothers 3gs is beat the hell up as it is, and its only a year or so old. while i do see your argument about the 10 dollar upgrade, my bullshit call was to you saying that upgrading to a new phone wasnt one of their goals. all speculation since neither of us work there, but im sure they are hoping people will spend 500 dollars instead of 10 dollars. i know i would be.

People are just bitter that their 3 year old phone won't get an upgrade. I say, move on. 2G? Are you kidding me? Now, talk to the 43% of the smartphone market Symbian users where people stuck on FP1 from 2007-2008 are still on FP1. People on FP2 are still on FP2. People stuck on S60v5 are going to be there forever with the worst touchscreen OS ever.

Let's backtrack to iPhone 1.0. It sucked. Quite frankly, I'd take Symbian over it anyday. WinMo 6.0 even. iPhone OS 2.0 was leaps and bounds better. The App Store DEFINES the iPhone now. Take away the App store today and the iPhone would b enothing. Whether you love Apple or hate it, you have to admit the App Store was a huge success. Now OS 3.0. Cut Copy Paste, and a lot of new features too. You guys on your 2Gs got crazy upgrades. Even Android users can't compete. Not every device is getting 2.1 or going forward more. They depend on the modding community to help push upgrades forward. Same with Win Mo 6.1 => 6.5 and possibly WM7. Not everyone's getting the upgrade, and if you want it, you gotta mod it.

So the iPhone 2G honestly got huge boosts going to 2.0 and then 3.0. It's been great, but I think at 3 years old, no one really cares anymore. It's time to move to a new phone.

Well, let me see here. Grand Theft Auto Chinatown wars takes up a few hundred MB's iirc, many navigation programs take circa 1gb, a wiki or encyclopedia tool can run over 1gb, etc etc

500mb limit is laughable imo.

Its a ridiculous limit. I believe for nav apps, the core navigation program is installed on the built in memory, but your maps go on your SD card. The limit is quite stupid on Android, but you can install more apps than you might think.

Of course it does drive me crazy because I had 9 pages of apps on my iPod Touch. Over 1.1 GBs... Bleh Android.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I made 2 statements, not sure which you're saying I'm not right on. According to numbers RIM has about 24% of the smartphone market in the US. Apple has 15% that's roughly 9% someone here even posted a pie chart showing the numbers. As for them giving phones away, yes they do. T Mobile wanted to give me a Pearl when I signed up with them last year. And I always see specials where you buy one BB for $49 and can get 1-2 more for free if you sign up for a family plan.

I was talking about giving away free phones. You don't get free phones. They're like a free lunch. Even the devices I get arn't really free, as I'm essentially a BB ambassador.

 

[QueBert]

I was talking about giving away free phones. You don't get free phones. They're like a free lunch. Even the devices I get arn't really free, as I'm essentially a BB ambassador.

My monthly plan is the same regardless of it I brought my own phone in, bought one from them or signed a contract. With Verizon I paid $300 out of my pocket for a phone off contract, I got a BB the following year out the door for zero bucks and my monthly plan rate was identical. So yes, the phone was free. I had to sign a a contract but I was staying with Verizon any ways. On the flip side I could not have gotten an iPhone for free, no possible way. The same goes for many other smartphones. It's not like I got a free BB and ended up having to pay more $$$ a month. My bill remained unchanged.

To further my point, when I got my Pearl for free I was looking at the Nokia Xpressmusic 5310 too. It was a much cheaper phone full price $150 less I believe, yet even with a 2 year contract still would have cost me $50.

 

[DivideBYZero]

My monthly plan is the same regardless of it I brought my own phone in, bought one from them or signed a contract. With Verizon I paid $300 out of my pocket for a phone off contract, I got a BB the following year out the door for zero bucks and my monthly plan rate was identical. So yes, the phone was free. I had to sign a a contract but I was staying with Verizon any ways. On the flip side I could not have gotten an iPhone for free, no possible way. The same goes for many other smartphones. It's not like I got a free BB and ended up having to pay more $$$ a month. My bill remained unchanged.

To further my point, when I got my Pearl for free I was looking at the Nokia Xpressmusic 5310 too. It was a much cheaper phone full price $150 less I believe, yet even with a 2 year contract still would have cost me $50.

See bolded. Nothing is 'Free' in carrier land.

and

http://www.o2.co.uk/

Check the front page ad, "FREE iPHONE!" so by your logic Apple are giving away phones for free, ZOMG! :awe:

My point is you don't understand how the mobile business works. Verizon don't get devices from RIM for free. ATT & O2 don't get iPhones for free. What you see is 'free', but what you don't see is an inflated monthly ongoing cost which subsidises the handset and is tied to a minimum contract length. If you buy a device off plan and use said plan that would otherwise get you a 'free' device they are laughing their asses off.

 

[TheWart]

See bolded. Nothing is 'Free' in carrier land.

and

http://www.o2.co.uk/

Check the front page ad, "FREE iPHONE!" so by your logic Apple are giving away phones for free, ZOMG! :awe:

My point is you don't understand how the mobile business works. Verizon don't get devices from RIM for free. ATT & O2 don't get iPhones for free. What you see is 'free', but what you don't see is an inflated monthly ongoing cost which subsidises the handset and is tied to a minimum contract length. If you buy a device off plan and use said plan that would otherwise get you a 'free' device they are laughing their asses off.

I think the point is that no matter what you have to pay for the monthly contract....so let's see, $199 for a phone plus $60+ a month or $0 for a phone plus $60+ a month...yep that sounds like a free phone to me.