iPhone 6 Plus 128GB lemon OIS camera failure and TLC NAND failure.

[Rakehellion]

You have yet to explain how you can contradict the very concept of Amazon user reviews and such without addressing it.

Many Amazon reviews are paid shills, gag posts, or uninformed bickering (this thread falls into one of those categories), but at least they're enumerated and quantified and not just a lone whine thread. One thing you see right next to the rating is the number of reviews.

How do you figure? AT&T didn't replace my unlocked phone with a locked phone.

AT&T locks and unlocks phones. Apple does not. An AT&T phone is not the same part and does not ship in the same box as an unlocked or T-Mobile phone.

Bull. They throttle you and allow something like two unlock requests per line per six months. I buy phones out-right and unlock often. Last I checked I only had one request available.

Oh, that's completely different from the imaginary problem you mentioned of OTHER people not getting their unlocks. Still an AT&T problem that needs to be resolved with their customer support.

Bull. Based on the "rumors" of the iPad mini, Ichinisan got maximum value for his iPod touch 4G and avoided the mistake of buying an iPod touch 5G. He canceled the preorder and got an iPad for $30 more.

Am I supposed to know who that is or what the scenario was?

 

[CZroe]

Many Amazon reviews are paid shills, gag posts, or uninformed bickering (this thread falls into one of those categories), but at least they're enumerated and quantified and not just a lone whine thread. One thing you see right next to the rating is the number of reviews.

Which doesn't help for lroblems with non-Amazon products and services, causing them to resort to more traditional means. Amazing how that works.

AT&T locks and unlocks phones. Apple does not. An AT&T phone is not the same part and does not ship in the same box as an unlocked or T-Mobile phone.

It's a foreseeable scenario for which Apple did not anticipate nor provide a mechanism for correcting. When the iPhone was still AT&T exclusive and you bought it unlocked in the U.S., Apple unlocked them through iTunes. When you put in a request with AT&T, it still *gasp* unlocks through iTunes[/]. Shocking! Apple controls the mechanism even AT&T uses. Is it really unreasonable to expect them to have a way to preserve your unlock?

Oh, that's completely different from the imaginary problem you mentioned of OTHER people not getting their unlocks. Still an AT&T problem that needs to be resolved with their customer support.

Nope. Many people buy unlocked phones with warranty to replace damaged phones while still on contract with a non-AT&T provider., just like the unlocked T-Mobile Galaxy Note 3 N900T I purchased new at launch (even preordered it). If it broke and Samsung replaced it with a locked T-Mobile phone then they would have required one month and a day of service to submit an unlock request that takes up to seven additional days to be approved. Not sure why you didn't just drop it, but you are welcome to go on proving me right if you want.

Am I supposed to know who that is or what the scenario was?

Yes. You troll him as often as you troll me and I just explained the scenario. Lincoln avatar? Twin brother? That's him.

As I explained, he made a smart purchase decision based on rumors which flies in the face of your silly assertions. Other people were still screaming at ModMyI and other iDevice news outlets for reporting on "rumors" of the iPad mini, as if you had to wait for Apple to announce it. If you did that it'd be too late. Apple carefully controls such announcement to avoid cannibalizing other products.

They knew good and well that they wouldn't be selling many of the newly released iPod touch 5G at launch ($300 for 16GB, $200 model didn't exist yet) to existing iPod owners as upgrades with an iPad mini releasing a couple weeks later with better specs and only $30 more. Ichinisan sold his iPod touch 4G for top dollar in anticipation of the 5G announcement and preordered the 5G when it was announced, so he scored big by acting on TWO rumors in a row. Canceling the preorder for the iPad mini based on rumor was just as smart.

 

[Phanuel]

Apple Store? Carrier store?

Apple store.

 

[isekii]

Apple phones when carrier unlocked and you get warranty replacement~ that phone is also unlocked. Everything including the remaining warranty, lock status etc... carries over. (This is when it's done at the apple store).

Carrier insurance replacement doesn't go through this.

 

[CZroe]

Apple phones when carrier unlocked and you get warranty replacement~ that phone is also unlocked. Everything including the remaining warranty, lock status etc... carries over. (This is when it's done at the apple store).

Carrier insurance replacement doesn't go through this.

Went through Apple Store using Apple warranty while carrier unlocked and got a carrier locked replacement, so that probably only works for SIM-free unlocked as opposed to "carrier unlocked". SIM-free unlocked out of the box was not available at launch.

 

[Rakehellion]

Which doesn't help for lroblems with non-Amazon products and services, causing them to resort to more traditional means. Amazing how that works.

So why did you bring up Amazon at all? Were you planning to make some kind of point?

It's a foreseeable scenario for which Apple did not anticipate nor provide a mechanism for correcting. When the iPhone was still AT&T exclusive and you bought it unlocked in the U.S., Apple unlocked them through iTunes. When you put in a request with AT&T, it still *gasp* unlocks through iTunes[/]. Shocking! Apple controls the mechanism even AT&T uses. Is it really unreasonable to expect them to have a way to preserve your unlock?

AT&T unlocks phones. Apple does not. iTunes just reverts some settings. Apple has nothing to do with the quality of your wireless service or support. At all.

As I explained, he made a smart purchase decision based on rumors which flies in the face of your silly assertions. Other people were still screaming at ModMyI and other iDevice news outlets for reporting on "rumors" of the iPad mini, as if you had to wait for Apple to announce it. If you did that it'd be too late. Apple carefully controls such announcement to avoid cannibalizing other products.

Tell me how a product release cycle has anything at all to do with failure rates. You couldn't shift those goalposts with an aircraft carrier.

 

[CZroe]

LOL! He's still here folks. Sooo cute.

So why did you bring up Amazon at all? Were you planning to make some kind of point?

Yes. That user reports wherever they may be are useful for making purchasing decisions.

AT&T unlocks phones. Apple does not. iTunes just reverts some settings. Apple has nothing to do with the quality of your wireless service or support. At all.

You're hilarious. I never complained about the quality of AT&T's service or support because I didn't deal with AT&T. Apple makes locked phone and Apple makes unlocked phones. Even though Apple has the ability to unlock without involving AT&T (that's how it was done before AT&T allowed the user to request an unlock), that's not the point: Apple should not have replaced an unlocked phone with a locked phone. I never said "they should have unlocked this locked phone for me." I said they should not have replaced an unlocked phone with a locked phone. Got it? They are not different models. They should have grabbed from one stack instead of another. As for Apple's involvement with the carrier, they are obviously able to update the IMEI/ESN on the carrier's billing system so that the replacement phone stays under contract for those who still have contracts and can still be blocked/banned for non-payment and such. Apple has just as much access for unlocking phones.

Tell me how a product release cycle has anything at all to do with failure rates. You couldn't shift those goalposts with an aircraft carrier.

LOL! Talk about "shifting goalposts." You started this particular conversation thread with one of those anecdotes you hate so much by reporting that none of your phones have ever had a problem while simultaneously trying to get me to shut up about ALL of my phones having problems. You very quickly jump the shark and say that problems need to reach Microsoft XBOX 360 red-ring levels of failure for people to make informed buying decisions from a confluence of user reports. LOLWUT?!

There is a SOLID like of logic in my responses from start to finish. You were incorrect in saying that rumors should never influence buying decisions and I used a personal experience that says otherwise. No goal-post shifting here, you just seem unable to follow. I remember laughing at all the self-righteous users commenting on every iPad mini story with crap like "Stop reporting on rumors and speculation! Apple hasn't announced anything yet!" Was that you? I was glad they were reporting the rumors and we acted accordingly with BUYING DECISIONS BASED ON "RUMOR."

Apple has pretty solid reliability ratings. I'll take that over anecdotal evidence.

I've never had problems with any of my phones.

How about you take that WITH anecdotal evidence?
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Remember when Microsoft refused to admit that reliability statistics on the XBOX 360 were worse than industry norms? Yeah. It took massive public ANECDOTES to force their hand.

Are you suggesting that will happen to Apple?

No. Does it need to for people to make buying decisions?

Yes, because people need to make informed decisions. Acting on a rumor is not an informed decision.

Bull. Based on the "rumors" of the iPad mini, Ichinisan got maximum value for his iPod touch 4G and avoided the mistake of buying an iPod touch 5G. He canceled the preorder and got an iPad for $30 more.

Am I supposed to know who that is or what the scenario was?

As I explained, he made a smart purchase decision based on rumors which flies in the face of your silly assertions. Other people were still screaming at ModMyI and other iDevice news outlets for reporting on "rumors" of the iPad mini, as if you had to wait for Apple to announce it. If you did that it'd be too late. Apple carefully controls such announcement to avoid cannibalizing other products.