iPhone 6 -> galaxy s6 edge: some thoughts

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I doubt this guy even has an S6. Still no pictures about battery usage or sample pictures that he's taken.
I can't be the only one here who can see through his BS. Notice how he avoids my post asking him to post his battery usage. How much did Apple pay you?

Ok, I didn't put you on ignore yet, so here's your proof:



http://oi59.tinypic.com/8vt8r5.jpg

And I don't know how to take screenshots on android so I've just been typing up battery info requests (I'm pretty new to android, but I don't rant about android because I have no problems with it and my qualms are specific to the s6 edge).
 

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Ok, I didn't put you on ignore yet, so here's your proof:



http://oi59.tinypic.com/8vt8r5.jpg

And I don't know how to take screenshots on android so I've just been typing up battery info requests (I'm pretty new to android, but I don't rant about android because I have no problems with it and my qualms are specific to the s6 edge).

On the Edge, you can swipe across the screen with your palm (think of it like a windshield wiper) to take a screenshot.
 
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OK, positive movement today - looks like I'm getting 10 hours of battery life with very little usage (none, really) after disabling some services based on a guide I found on reddit (easy to find, but I can post a link if anyone cares). Disabled a few features too, wish I find annoying because I kinda want to use features, and hate going into menus to disable and enable stuff. Like I disabled VoLTE, and I don't even know what that is but it sounds awesome. I'm kinda annoyed and feel like a beta tester, but we're getting somewhere. Oh yeah, POWER SAVER MODE was enabled, which dims the screen further and who knows what else. Upping the brightness just when I'm watching media is a fair compromise.

Camera took some very attractive pics outside.
The scratches are like someone literally sandpapered the front one swipe, but only really noticeable when there's a lot of glare.

I'm no apple zealot, I left my iPhone because it kinda got boring after owning 3 generations that were evolutionary instead of revolutionary.
 

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OK, positive movement today - looks like I'm getting 10 hours of battery life with very little usage (none, really) after disabling some services based on a guide I found on reddit (easy to find, but I can post a link if anyone cares). Disabled a few features too, wish I find annoying because I kinda want to use features, and hate going into menus to disable and enable stuff. Like I disabled VoLTE, and I don't even know what that is but it sounds awesome. I'm kinda annoyed and feel like a beta tester, but we're getting somewhere. Oh yeah, POWER SAVER MODE was enabled, which dims the screen further and who knows what else. Upping the brightness just when I'm watching media is a fair compromise.

Camera took some very attractive pics outside.
The scratches are like someone literally sandpapered the front one swipe, but only really noticeable when there's a lot of glare.

I'm no apple zealot, I left my iPhone because it kinda got boring after owning 3 generations that were evolutionary instead of revolutionary.

10 hours is way too little. The average is around 32 hours with 6-7 hours SoT without power-saving mode.

Either get a replacement or go get the Note 4 if battery life concerns you.
 

Ichinisan

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No.
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_6_plus_vs_galaxy_note_4-review-1161p3.php

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The iPhone 6 Plus shows how unoptimized iOS is compared to Android. With a higher resolution screen, the iPhone sips battery life like an infant sucking milk out of his mommy's breasts. Apple has been masking their bad programming with lower screen resolution.

It's not just in energy efficiency of the OS. Android also tops iOS in fluidity (Lots of lag and stutter on iPhone 6 and 6 Plus compared to my M8) and in app stability (Android crashes way less than iOS).

The myth of "Apple optimization" has been debunked, and the truth is even far worse than what Applesexuals imagined - That it's Android that's more refined and optimized than iOS.

There's no need to be insecure about your platform of choice. Apple's strength is in drawing good-looking objects, not in engineering (Though Samsung surpassed Apple in designs with the S6 Edge). Right now, Apple is like a jack of all trades company. Google beats Apple in OS optimization and Samsung beats Apple in making good-looking products. Apple isn't really the best in anything. Despite this, I still enjoy spending quality time with my iPhone 6 every night in bed. It's quite sticky and I'm thinking about replacing it with the iPhone 6 Plus, because I heard size matters in bed. I hope my iPhone 6 Plus can pleasure me like my iPhone 6 did.
You are detrimental to any civil discussion on such things.
 

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I doubt this guy even has an S6. Still no pictures about battery usage or sample pictures that he's taken.
I can't be the only one here who can see through his BS. Notice how he avoids my post asking him to post his battery usage. How much did Apple pay you?

You sound like someone who really wants to feel more secure in your purchase by trashing everything else.

In real-world use, the iPhone 6 Plus gets better battery life than the S6 Edge...and that should be no surprise because the iPhone 6 Plus a bigger phone with a bigger battery.

Go ahead and bring out some unrealistic benchmark and some childish remarks about sexuality and your virtual assistant preferences.

As it stands right now, this forum does not benefit from your presence.
 

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You sound like someone who really wants to feel more secure in your purchase by trashing everything else.

In real-world use, the iPhone 6 Plus gets better battery life than the S6 Edge...and that should be no surprise because the iPhone 6 Plus a bigger phone with a bigger battery.

Go ahead and bring out some unrealistic benchmark and some childish remarks about sexuality and your virtual assistant preferences.

As it stands right now, this forum does not benefit from your presence.

Bu...bu... bu... THEY'RE JUST BENCHMARKS!!! :'(

Ahh, yes, the typical Applesexual excuse. You see, the problem with your reasoning is that battery benchmarks standardize usage. iPhone users may get lower drain than Android users because Android users are probably using their phones for some high processing niche crap while iPhone users are using their phones to text and browse the web seldomly, but when doing the same exact things, Android phones blow iPhone 6 and 6+ out of the water.
 
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Bu...bu... bu... THEY'RE JUST BENCHMARKS!!! :'(

Ahh, yes, the typical Applesexual excuse. You see, the problem with your reasoning is that battery benchmarks standardize usage. iPhone users may get lower drain than Android users because Android users are probably using their phones for some high processing niche crap while iPhone users are using their phones to text and browse the web seldomly, but when doing the same exact things, Android phones blow iPhone 6 and 6+ out of the water.

Never mind that we just gave you benchmarks showing the contrary!

Look: the GS6 is a great phone. But it's not great in every way, especially in battery life. And it doesn't have to be for you to like it. Frankly, it's less stressful to say "yes, the battery sucks, but the rest is so good that I don't mind."
 
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Never mind that we just gave you benchmarks showing the contrary!

Look: the GS6 is a great phone. But it's not great in every way, especially in battery life. And it doesn't have to be for you to like it. Frankly, it's less stressful to say "yes, the battery sucks, but the rest is so good that I don't mind."

Exactly, it's pretty much a nifty piece of kit with one flaw.

And complaining about it (instead of being in fanboy denial) means that I'm nearing a solution:
left the phone off of charger last night to kill the battery, woke up to 30% left! 17h off of the charger and 4 hours left estimated. Now I barely used the thing and didn't have my subway commutes, but an improvement is an improvement.

Steps to increase battery life so far:
* Disable whatever apps seem useless (s-voice, a few google services)
* Disable wifi scanning
* Disable smart stay (may reenable, I liked the feature)
* Disable samsung push
* Brightness at 50% then enable auto
 
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And complaining about it (instead of being in fanboy denial) means that I'm nearing a solution:

Welcome to being a Android person.

Most of us don't complain about flaws expecting the Apple or Samsung or HTC in the sky to fix them. We know Android updates are almost always a mixed bag for improvements. So we hunt for ways of doing it ourselves. To someone not used to Android it looks like we are blaming the user when really its an expectation that they roll their sleeves up and get tweaking.

The second you REALLY get into a solution and you root it to install an app like greenify, or to ramp down your CPU, or something like that- that's when you get your Android nerd card.

It's a right of passage. I will never forget underclocking my S2 CPU to try to get a little more battery. I learned a lot about how it all worked doing that. The only denial is a denial someone else other than you can fix the problem sometimes. There is no Genius Bar safety net.

Good luck!
 
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Welcome to being a Android person.

Most of us don't complain about flaws expecting the Apple or Samsung or HTC in the sky to fix them. We know Android updates are almost always a mixed bag for improvements. So we hunt for ways of doing it ourselves. To someone not used to Android it looks like we are blaming the user when really its an expectation that they roll their sleeves up and get tweaking.

The second you REALLY get into a solution and you root it to install an app like greenify, or to ramp down your CPU, or something like that- that's when you get your Android nerd card.

It's a right of passage. I will never forget underclocking my S2 CPU to try to get a little more battery. I learned a lot about how it all worked doing that. The only denial is a denial someone else other than you can fix the problem sometimes. There is no Genius Bar safety net.

Good luck!

I think you need to qualify this: "welcome to being a seriously invested Android person posting on a technology forum."

That context is important. I know you don't necessarily believe it, but there is a fantasy among some hardcore fans that most Android users choose the platform for flexibility or freedom from the "oppressive" iOS. Surely most people root, change their default apps and are willing to fix phone problems themselves, right?

No, most people choose an Android phone because it was what they could afford, because it offered the screen size they wanted within their budget, or because they live in a country where Android brand X carries more clout than non-Android brand Y (see: Samsung in Korea). They don't typically root or install custom launchers. They most often go to their carriers for help, because they don't have the time or technical know-how to tackle things themselves. And frankly, I don't think it's reasonable to insist that the user fix problems that are the manufacturer's fault, no matter which brand is involved.
 
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Welcome to being a Android person.

Most of us don't complain about flaws expecting the Apple or Samsung or HTC in the sky to fix them. We know Android updates are almost always a mixed bag for improvements. So we hunt for ways of doing it ourselves. To someone not used to Android it looks like we are blaming the user when really its an expectation that they roll their sleeves up and get tweaking.

The second you REALLY get into a solution and you root it to install an app like greenify, or to ramp down your CPU, or something like that- that's when you get your Android nerd card.

It's a right of passage. I will never forget underclocking my S2 CPU to try to get a little more battery. I learned a lot about how it all worked doing that. The only denial is a denial someone else other than you can fix the problem sometimes. There is no Genius Bar safety net.

Good luck!

Ha, I owned a moto droid and galaxy s1 and tinkered constantly, I honestly hoped android was past that. I'm glad my phone has acceptable battery life now, but I am still annoyed that I didn't get this phone at a discount (it's more expensive than my iphone 6) and I still have to supply my own tech support. I don't blame android for this though, I've recommended android phones to my family and they love them (moto g), and I know some other phones have stellar battery life (moto maxx, etc.) - so I blame samsung and insufficient testing. I get it, I'm earning my nerd card - but it shouldn't be up to the consumer.

But I'm not being argumentative, if I paid $150 for a phone some tweaking and patience is in order. I have an acer tablet that has dreadful standby time, but I paid $120 for it and $499 for my ipad, I expect compromises. If you're releasing a flagship at $700+ though, test the damn thing in various situations across various networks and variables. Like blurry people in indoor pics: did samsung just test their camera with still objects? Test better!
 

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Surely most people root, change their default apps and are willing to fix phone problems themselves, right?

No, no they don't.

But most people don't dig in the registry on their PC to fix problems in that OS. So just like I wouldn't call someone who can barely use a PC to word process a "Windows Person," I won't call anyone who just has an Android phone an "Android Person." They are just smartphone owners, or my favorite term that I use on this forum: "normals."

Many people don't understand the concept of an OS, let alone launchers or stuff like root. I don't expect everyone to be a power user, just everyone that washes up on these forums.

No, most people choose an Android phone because it was what they could afford, because it offered the screen size they wanted within their budget, or because they live in a country where Android brand X carries more clout than non-Android brand Y (see: Samsung in Korea). They don't typically root or install custom launchers. They most often go to their carriers for help, because they don't have the time or technical know-how to tackle things themselves.

And they only use a fraction of the potential of the device quite often. Low needs users are often satisfied by lower denominator products. I know MANY normals who are happy with their Android phones because quite simply they don't know it can be better. It is a small computer to check Facebook and takes pictures of the kids to put on Facebook. They aren't running into the same issues many people run into here because quite simply they are pushing the device that far nor are they expecting that much. ANY modern smartphone is like a box of magic to them. And therefore it provides them value.

And frankly, I don't think it's reasonable to insist that the user fix problems that are the manufacturer's fault, no matter which brand is involved.

I agree with that to a point, the point being that if you have more demanding needs then you should be willing to roll up your sleeves a little. Or maybe be willing to buy a different and less popular Android phone, personally I had a falling out with Samsung last year because I got sick of fighting the same issues.

At some point what you feel you "deserve" and "whose fault it is" loses out to practical considerations. Android has been around long enough that anyone smart enough to post here is smart enough to figure out where the problems are and how to avoid them (maybe by avoiding the platform) if they don't want to deal with those problems. We don't have the "perfect" Android phone, it might never come. The trick is deciding what execution MUST be done right for you to be happy, and what you can live with being mediocre, and then deciding based on that criteria.

The advantage of Android is that you can pick your poison so to speak. I wish I had that choice on iOS- I wish I could pick an iPhone with 3GB of ram but with a crappy camera. That would be my phone right now.

It is what it is.
 

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Ha, I owned a moto droid and galaxy s1 and tinkered constantly, I honestly hoped android was past that.

I will spoil the ending of the movie for you:

Android will never be completely past that.

To get past that would require a more heavy-handed approach from Google, and less variability between devices (because variation means inefficiency). Maybe eventually some Nexus will give that to the nerdy crowd, but Android will never have an iOS ease of use for normals. And I hope it never does, because that means nerds like me will have the same problems on Android that we have on iOS (namely lack of device choice and an OS that assumes you are an idiot).

I'm glad my phone has acceptable battery life now, but I am still annoyed that I didn't get this phone at a discount (it's more expensive than my iphone 6) and I still have to supply my own tech support.

Look, I won't defend Samsung or their prices. After having a S2 and a S4 I got sick of them last year and switched to HTC for my primary device. The ONLY reason I got my wife a Note 4 is because I got a MASSIVE trade-in discount day one. I will NEVER pay full price for a non-Nexus Android phone ever again, heck I might never burn an upgrade for one every again. In this market iPhones simply have more value.

With that said, I don't think you are being completely fair. You are assuming that the difference between a perfect S6 and your S6 is better testing and software. Maybe your radios are going nuts finding a signal on your commute NOT because of some software issues that is some QC and a firmware update away from making you happy, but maybe the actual phone design doesn't allow for the same antenna strength compared to previous devices you are used to. So its not that the S6 wasn't tested enough, its that your iPhone was a high water mark for signal strength and Samsung's offerings are merely average (outside of the Notes) based on their hardware designs. Then it comes down to deciding if that is a dealbreaker for you.

Obviously many don't care about signal strength- the lower standard of Samsung is good enough. So to your family maybe it would have been good enough because its their first smartphone and they don't know better. You on the other hand had a recent iOS flagship to compare with. It is not making an excuse for Samsung to say the S6 can not be as good as the iPhone on that metric and still be good enough for most people. I also don't think I am making an excuse for the platform to point out that the Android phones known for their signal strength is Motorola.

The rub though is that if you get the Motorola for the signal strength you get in return a MUCH worse camera. So Android becomes an exercise in balancing your wants vs your needs. Pretty much like every Windows laptop out there. Heck most of us here expected so-so battery life out of the S6 because of a smaller battery than the S5. Read the thread, many threw the phone out of their consideration set for that reason.

As I said earlier, I wish we had that option in iOS. I wish I could get an iPhone 6 with a 1080p screen but worse battery life. Or that has 3GB of RAM in trade for a worse camera. iPhones have their flaws too, but because they are so consistent they don't become a problem because most heavy iOS users know to avoid running into those walls (maybe subconsciously). They don't load up 30 tabs in Safari like I do on my Android phone every day because somewhere deep down they know that the lack of RAM will make that experience a tab reload party. They instead begin to shift their habits to optimize on what Apple delivers (in my example being strict tab managers) which then over time makes it seem like everything "just works" because you never run into the stuff that doesn't work.

Can you ever get there with the S6? Should you keep it? I won't say yes to either. In fact I will say if you dislike it to get rid of it. Life is too short to fight a device that isn't worth fighting for. But I think it is folly to hold up iOS and iPhones as these high standards across the board, when really all it is is that Apple picked the poison for you instead of you doing it.
 
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No, no they don't.

But most people don't dig in the registry on their PC to fix problems in that OS. So just like I wouldn't call someone who can barely use a PC to word process a "Windows Person," I won't call anyone who just has an Android phone an "Android Person." They are just smartphone owners, or my favorite term that I use on this forum: "normals."

Many people don't understand the concept of an OS, let alone launchers or stuff like root. I don't expect everyone to be a power user, just everyone that washes up on these forums.

And they only use a fraction of the potential of the device quite often. Low needs users are often satisfied by lower denominator products. I know MANY normals who are happy with their Android phones because quite simply they don't know it can be better. It is a small computer to check Facebook and takes pictures of the kids to put on Facebook. They aren't running into the same issues many people run into here because quite simply they are pushing the device that far nor are they expecting that much. ANY modern smartphone is like a box of magic to them. And therefore it provides them value.

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I agree with that to a point, the point being that if you have more demanding needs then you should be willing to roll up your sleeves a little. Or maybe be willing to buy a different and less popular Android phone, personally I had a falling out with Samsung last year because I got sick of fighting the same issues.

At some point what you feel you "deserve" and "whose fault it is" loses out to practical considerations. Android has been around long enough that anyone smart enough to post here is smart enough to figure out where the problems are and how to avoid them (maybe by avoiding the platform) if they don't want to deal with those problems. We don't have the "perfect" Android phone, it might never come. The trick is deciding what execution MUST be done right for you to be happy, and what you can live with being mediocre, and then deciding based on that criteria.

The advantage of Android is that you can pick your poison so to speak. I wish I had that choice on iOS- I wish I could pick an iPhone with 3GB of ram but with a crappy camera. That would be my phone right now.

It is what it is.

I think we largely share common ground. It's just vital to define what an "Android person" is, that's all!

To me, it's amusing that some will post about how much they hate TouchWiz and feel compelled to install a custom launcher... and then go out and buy another Samsung phone, arguing that their unofficial "fix" makes it all okay. You're still rewarding Samsung for bad behavior! Holding OEMs to account by demanding fixes or refusing to buy devices is the best way to force change. That's arguably why the Galaxy S6 is so much of an improvement -- enough people skipped the S5 in favor of iPhones and Chinese phones that Samsung knew it needed a major rethink.
 

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To me, it's amusing that some will post about how much they hate TouchWiz and feel compelled to install a custom launcher... and then go out and buy another Samsung phone, arguing that their unofficial "fix" makes it all okay. You're still rewarding Samsung for bad behavior!

Good point. Plus the fact that a launcher isn't a Touchwiz fix. Touchwiz infects the launcher, the settings, the quicktoggles, the dialer, the messenger, etc.
 

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Good point. Plus the fact that a launcher isn't a Touchwiz fix. Touchwiz infects the launcher, the settings, the quicktoggles, the dialer, the messenger, etc.

Is your issue with current TW functional or cosmetic (i.e. you don't like the color scheme)? As the performance/lag issues are nearly all gone, I personally actually prefer it over AOSP.

I dislike how AOSP handles quick toggles and never was keen on the Google launcher (use Nova prime on every phone I have, including my old Nexus 5 - mostly b/c of the sub grid option and ability to resize everything). Even the TW launcher seems fine since you can disable My Magazine. Otherwise everything else seems mostly cosmetic (e.g. dialer, messenger, settings).

With themes now available to get rid of the pastels in TW if you don't like it, I can get that folks might prefer another skin, but not that anyone hates it any longer.
 

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Is your issue with current TW functional or cosmetic (i.e. you don't like the color scheme)? As the performance/lag issues are nearly all gone, I personally actually prefer it over AOSP.

I dislike how AOSP handles quick toggles and never was keen on the Google launcher (use Nova prime on every phone I have, including my old Nexus 5 - mostly b/c of the sub grid option and ability to resize everything). Even the TW launcher seems fine since you can disable My Magazine. Otherwise everything else seems mostly cosmetic (e.g. dialer, messenger, settings).

With themes now available to get rid of the pastels in TW if you don't like it, I can get that folks might prefer another skin, but not that anyone hates it any longer.

My issues are functional, namely the time it takes to roll out updates because they have to port all that over.
 
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Hi! Updating this thread - 5.1 seemed to help a bit but I'm guessing at the expense of performance, because I noticed a lot more stutters (even in candy crush). I still wouldn't make it past 3 pm, however, unless I shut the phone off during classes. But all is well because t-mobile's an absolute beast at customer service: I wasn't quite eligible for an upgrade but they sorted things out after explaining my ordeal (the worst, non-trivial part is that I get zero bars at home and wifi calling would fail because the damn wifi would go into sleep mode, people need to contact me at 3 am in case of an emergency so this is unacceptable)..

My iPhone 6s plus is a stunning thing of refined beauty in comparison. Everything just works - from carplay (couldn't get android auto to work on my compatible hu), 24/7 siri promptiing (samsung's s-voice works 30% of the time, if that), finger print scanning (about a 50% fail rate on the s6), to just having better call quality. NEVER, EVER will I go to samsung now, unless it's a $100 off-contract special for the kids
 
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