iPhone 5S/5C thread

[WackyDan]

You know, someone brought this up in another forum. If your phone is stolen, it'll have your fingerprints all over it.

The 5C for that price is ridiculous.

Good luck with that. Modern FPR scanners are also capacitive. Simply lifting a print and applying will not grant you a successful log in.

 

[Red Storm]

I look forward to AT's review of the 5C. They spent (wasted) a big portion of the HTC One review repeatedly stating their opinion that metal > plastic. I expect something along the lines of "Yeah it's plastic, but they made it look nice." 😀

 

[luv2liv]

why is 64bit such a surprise?
it wasnt anywhere in the beta release of iOS7?

 

[jiffylube1024]

I look forward to AT's review of the 5C. They spent (wasted) a big portion of the HTC One review repeatedly stating their opinion that metal > plastic. I expect something along the lines of "Yeah it's plastic, but they made it look nice." 😀

Hahha that is an excellent point! AT reviews have talked down the use of plastic for awhile. The 5C review should put that to the test!

 

[poofyhairguy]

What about the doubling of general purpose registers? No one cares about that?

Great. Apple-made iOS apps will run like this is a Krait 800, but App Store apps won't until the 6S when they are all optimized.

 

[evident]

Really? Why do you say that?

If anything today's announcements makes the iPhone 5 look like the best value ever in iPhone history.

I think the iphone4s will still maintain a high resale value as well...

 

[poofyhairguy]

I expect something along the lines of "Yeah it's plastic, but they made it look nice." 😀

Or:

"That is ok on a non-flagship product"

 

[bearxor]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7310/hands-on-with-the-new-iphone-5c

I'm impressed with how the 5C ends up feeling in the hand. The hard coated surface manages to not feel slippery but still have a certain heft and solidness to it. What's interesting about the 5C is really the way its rounded corners all seem to have the same radius, which gives it a very unified feeling in the hand. The front, edge, and sides all share that same rounded profile. It still retains the same overall profile as the iPhone 5 as well. Buttons on the 5C are clicky and responsive, and also have that same hard coated feeling without feeling cheap. That's really the important thing about the 5C, it had to be solid while still being made out of polymer, something OEMs in the Android space still haven't quite nailed down.

The internal metal structure also helped the 5C feel rigid, the back side doesn't deform or press in like I've felt on a number of other all polymer phones. It's clear that Apple had its mechanicals nailed down for the 5C design to make sure it was rigid even if it was still polymer.

 

[mavere]

The brief 5C hands-on from Klug should give an indication of editorial direction on future comments about the 5C's build.

Other hands-on are echoing his sentiments, so if anything, this merely reiterates the fact that Apple has material design and engineering down pat.

(Edit: beaten)

 

[ChronoReverse]

Good luck with that. Modern FPR scanners are also capacitive. Simply lifting a print and applying will not grant you a successful log in.

Sausages are capacitive. What happens if the finger print is applied with that?

I'm just being facetious but it's not like it's insurmountable. It seems easier than figuring out a good password but it's not like everyone has a great password either.

 

[Mopetar]

Sausages are capacitive. What happens if the finger print is applied with that?

I'm just being facetious but it's not like it's insurmountable. It seems easier than figuring out a good password but it's not like everyone has a great password either.

If they were smart, they'd develop a multi-factor authentication. They should be able to at least ask for a password, fingerprint, voice sample, and perform facial recognition. Obviously, not everything is going to need that level of security, but users should have the option for some things. For example, if you're making a $5,000 purchase, it should require a bit more than just a fingerprint.

 

[akugami]

I'm curious if 64 bit ready mobile phones will become the new 'thing' that every phone has to have in the coming year? That seems like something they'd push more than the finger print scanner.

I'm curious to see what they do with it in the mobile space but I think the relevance of 64bit, aside from being a buzzword feature, is going to be minor in the next year.

Other thoughts.

That M7 co-processor that's logging all of that data...is there any way to turn that sucker off? Sounds kind of "big brother" to me. I'm kind of speed browsing through the announcement but I don't see anything on how this data is being used and if it can be turned off.

Is the fingerprint reader going to be used for stuff like "phone locks" that stay even after a normal wipe? So that we can eliminate or reduce stolen phones cause it's effectively useless to someone stealing it. Basically I can lock the phone using a fingerprint, and it retains this fingerprint data even after a wipe so that you need it to unlock the phone even after a wipe. You would need the original fingerprint to do a true wipe that also wipes the stored fingerprint. Barring taking this to Apple itself for a wipe of course, but then the IMEI or SN of the iPhone would be traced.

 

[sweenish]

Just about every fingerprint scanner enabled tech device has a fallback security method. Papercuts, burns, etc., happen to people.

 

[Red Storm]

From Brian's HTC One review: (plastic = bad)

In my books, fit and finish goes, in descending order of quality, metal, glass, and finally plastic. Or instead of plastic, polymer, or polycarbonate, or whatever overly-specific word we use to avoid saying plastic.

From Brian's G2 mini review: (plastic = bad)

The material is however the same kind of glossy plastic I'm used to seeing out of the Korean handset makers of note, and picks up fingerprints and hand oil very quickly unfortunately. I like the shape of the device and LG's innovations, it's just puzzling to me that materials hasn't picked up yet, I'd even take glass from the Optimus G over plastic.

From Brian's S4 review: (plastic = bad)

There's no getting around the fact that other OEMs are bringing increasingly sophisticated materials choices to bear with their designs, and this is an obvious weak point for SGS4.

From Brian's Moto X review: (plastic = bad)

The easiest thing to talk about is the in-hand feel of the Moto X. The short version is that the rounded backside of the Moto X is more ergonomic than most, but the plastic it gives way to halfway along the lip makes it feel like relatively standard fare. After you get over that plastic on the front, however, the shape is great and there aren’t any sharp edges to get hung up on or cause discomfort when held to the face during a call.

But now the 5C (plastic = nice) and he focuses on the rounded edges and avoids saying the word plastic during his hands on description, but he loves to use the word plastic during Android reviews. Pretty much what I expected.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Pretty much what we all expected.

FIFY

Has he commented on Nokia's plastic phones yet? Those might be the best comparison base.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Well I don't think anyone is surprised.

 

[lopri]

The rounded cutout portions of the cases look great and still show off the color underneath. Inside is a suede material that won't scratch the phone if dirt gets trapped in-between. The cases are also a polymer material.

:biggrin:

 

[lopri]

I think what's important, from tech point of view, is the iOS7 and the A7 chip. As for the designs.. The gold/silver ones look to go well with other blings one might wear. And the plastic ones.. Let's just say I didn't think they'd really name it 5C.

 

[Subyman]

I look forward to AT's review of the 5C. They spent (wasted) a big portion of the HTC One review repeatedly stating their opinion that metal > plastic. I expect something along the lines of "Yeah it's plastic, but they made it look nice." 😀

I bet they give it a pass due to it not being the flagship model.

 

[Subyman]

I think what's important, from tech point of view, is the iOS7 and the A7 chip. As for the designs.. The gold/silver ones look to go well with other blings one might wear. And the plastic ones.. Let's just say I didn't think they'd really name it 5C.

I don't understand the C either, to me it scream CHEAP. Did they ever say what its supposed to signify? S had always been slapped on upgraded models with cars. It signifies sport, special, or super. I can't think of any analog for C.

 

[Yongsta]

:biggrin:

Umm I don't know about if the plastic feels great or not on the 5C (I would have to feel it in hand) but I don't know how that looks great...

 

[Red Storm]

I don't understand the C either, to me it scream CHEAP. Did they ever say what its supposed to signify? S had always been slapped on upgraded models with cars. It signifies sport, special, or super. I can't think of any analog for C.

They should have called it the 5P.

P for Polymer of course.

 

[Mopetar]

I'm curious to see what they do with it in the mobile space but I think the relevance of 64bit, aside from being a buzzword feature, is going to be minor in the next year.

I imagine that others will eventually make the switch when everyone else starts moving over to the ARM v8 instruction set, but I don't think there will be a rush. Apple may have just decided to pull the trigger now in order to get it out of the way, or also as way of better future-proofing their devices as I imagine that at some point there will be a cut-off where some features require the 64-bit SoCs.

That M7 co-processor that's logging all of that data...is there any way to turn that sucker off? Sounds kind of "big brother" to me.

I would imagine that it's only running if there's some app that needs the data. They probably made the change so that they can save power by not needing to use the main SoC if they only want to get sensor data.

Is the fingerprint reader going to be used for stuff like "phone locks" that stay even after a normal wipe? So that we can eliminate or reduce stolen phones cause it's effectively useless to someone stealing it. Basically I can lock the phone using a fingerprint, and it retains this fingerprint data even after a wipe so that you need it to unlock the phone even after a wipe. You would need the original fingerprint to do a true wipe that also wipes the stored fingerprint. Barring taking this to Apple itself for a wipe of course, but then the IMEI or SN of the iPhone would be traced.

That sounds like a really good idea. They'd need to figure out how to make sure that people don't accidentally lock down a phone that they're intentionally selling though.

 

[dbk]

the 5c is going to sell so well with kids/teens! Brilliant!

 

[bearxor]

Is the fingerprint reader going to be used for stuff like "phone locks" that stay even after a normal wipe? So that we can eliminate or reduce stolen phones cause it's effectively useless to someone stealing it. Basically I can lock the phone using a fingerprint, and it retains this fingerprint data even after a wipe so that you need it to unlock the phone even after a wipe. You would need the original fingerprint to do a true wipe that also wipes the stored fingerprint. Barring taking this to Apple itself for a wipe of course, but then the IMEI or SN of the iPhone would be traced.

The iPhone Activation Lock already takes the place of what you're looking for. Once the Activation Lock is turned on, the device id is registered with Apple and the Apple ID username/password it's tied to is required in order for it to be usable.