WelshBloke
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Bateluer
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Heh, I went and checked out the Note 2 while I was returning my temporary phone. Very nice phone, though the model in store that I was using would not recognize the stylus writing on the screen, only when you would hold it near the screen but not touching. If I were staying with Verizon I would get the Note 2 without a doubt. It did not even feel all that much larger than the S3 when held in hand.
The tramp stamp definitely is a turn off though.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...K4/drolif05-20
He's exaggerating. I powelift with my iPhone 5 in my pocket at the gym and mine hasn't bent yet even though I've hit it many times.
Noise-cancellation on microphones, yes. Noise-cancellation on on the earpiece, however, is thusfar unique to the iPhone, AFAIK. Unfortunately, that ad isn't terribly articulate; but then, active noise cancellation can be a troublesome concept to explain to laypeople.
He completely exaggerating.
I don't believe it CAN'T happen, but I've been carrying mine in the front pocket for two months now and it still lies perfectly flat on a table.
It's a concern, but it's not a problem.
WelshBloke
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Would probably be good for Oyeve to post photos or stop complaining about it then, yes?
They're easy enough to find. And I'm sure he's bent his. He's complained about it to great length. If it were me, I'd just take it to an apple store and have them swap it with a new one... But that's just be I suppose.
When I say he's exaggerating, it's because he makes it out to be a huge deal and that every iPhone is going to bend. They're not. Just like every 4/4S/N4 isn't going to shatter the second it's dropped.
Oyeve
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I havent complained about this at great length at all. In fact I dont really give a shit if its bent, scratched et.al...because its just a tool I use for work. I dont tweet or twat on it, I make a call and check email.
khha4113
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Do you have any proof that Iphone 5 uses noise-cancelling headphones instead of microphones like its predecessor Iphone 4S? I found this site showed that Iphone 5 still implements noise-cancelling mics (3 of them).
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-iphone-5-16gb-32gb-64gb/P2
Anyway, noise-cancellation headphones are popular nowadays, especially with buetooth headphones, so I don't think it's unique to Iphone!
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/21
Towards the bottom of the page.
Yes, the technology exists/has existed, but this is the first time I've heard of it built in to a phone's earpiece, especially a mass produced device, which is what I'm sure XenIneX was referring to, not the technology in general.
It's in the transcripts of the release event. It's mentioned in most reviews I've seen. It's also apparently bitched about in the Apple support forums, because the peculiarities of active noise cancellation make some people queasy and there's no way to turn it off.
Yes, that's how active noise cancellation systems work. All phones use it on the incoming side to clean up outgoing sound, but the iPhone 5 is the only one that feeds the signal into the earpiece to negate ambient noise for the phone's user.
It's a unique implementation in the phone space. I don't expect it'll remain exclusive past Mobile World Congress OR CTIA -- heck, some enterprising soul could probably hack something into a ROM for some existing devices -- but, credit where credit is due.
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Dammit; ninja'd. Need to respond faster. Ah well.
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I disagree. A lot of people I meet have no idea what the second microphone holes are for.
A lot of people I work with also have no idea that when you use the speakerphone on an iPhone, you're supposed to use the up top microphone. But that probably falls more in to "tips and tricks" as opposed to features.
A lot of people I work with also have no idea that when you use the speakerphone on an iPhone, you're supposed to use the up top microphone. But that probably falls more in to "tips and tricks" as opposed to features.
The noise canceling headset is really weird. But you can really hear the other person when it's on.
I think marketshare numbers are pretty misleading because they don't mean anything. Google doesn't sell it's OS, it gives it away for free, and if you look at numbers of Internet connectivity, I find it hard to believe most of those phones are connected to the Internet (so Google gets practically zero revenue from them). In fact, Microsoft probably makes more money off of them from patent licensing fees from HTC, Samsung, etc...
When you take a look at the players that are actually making money, the only one that comes to mind is Samsung (a truckload) and HTC (barely). Everyone else is losing money in this game. Selling millions of units at a loss is not a sustainable business model.
Regardless of marketshare numbers, the only thing that really matters this year is the number of times I've heard this phrase "Is that the new Galaxy?"
When you take a look at the players that are actually making money, the only one that comes to mind is Samsung (a truckload) and HTC (barely). Everyone else is losing money in this game. Selling millions of units at a loss is not a sustainable business model.
Regardless of marketshare numbers, the only thing that really matters this year is the number of times I've heard this phrase "Is that the new Galaxy?"
QueBert
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I seriously doubt the iphone 5 noise canceling is any more robust than the noise canceling in the Nexus One.
You're talking about two different things at this point.
And considering the Nexus One used the same Audience chip that was in the iPhone 4, no, it's not significantly better. But I don't think we have any ideas a out what Apple is doing in the iPhone 5.
The noise canceling earpiece, OTOH, will use the microphone next to the earpiece sticker to cancel out ambient noise around the person holding the iPhone so that they can hear better, just like a noise canceling pair of headphones you'd get for a plane ride or something.
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You're entire analysis is pretty far off base. Where to begin.
Apple doesn't sell iOS either. What Apple charges for OSX upgrades is marginal. With Windows 8 and the upcoming free Windows Blue, Microsoft also realizes that the days of people paying $100+ to upgrade their operating system is over.
The mobile mindset is affecting all areas of personal computing. People more or less expect basic system software to be free or near free. They're willing to open their wallets to purchase content (apps, games, music, video, books, etc.). Or they're willing to view ads in exchange for free content.
Most of the money in hardware sales will fall victim to commoditization, leaving only a few innovative, vertically integrated companies remaining (Apple, Samsung). Google doesn't seem interested in competing with those companies on the hardware side, but they are actively seeking to compete on the software side with Apple.
Google Play, App Store, Windows Store, etc. They're all revenue generating machines, allowing the gatekeepers to take a percentage cut of any content sales. Operating systems are also cash cows on the data mining side, providing details on everything: e-mails, search data, location data, app data, purchase data, etc. It's valuable information for companies whose software thrives on such data, like Google AdWords.
It's a land grab plain and simple. How many decades did Microsoft rule the PC market after Windows established itself as the defacto standard? Google's success at this early stage is solely measured on how many eyeballs they can capture. They're already a very profitable company (and increase their profits quarter after quarter), so I don't see them having trouble monetizing on their commanding share of the mobile OS market.
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Probably uses the same chips. But the thing is there is noise canceling mics and noise canceling earpieces in the iPhone 5.
1) Microsoft has never generated significant revenue from consumer upgrades, but instead from businesses with Software Assurance. When OEMs pay between $15-40 for a copy of Windows, upgrade pricing is pure gravy. The real key however is getting people to upgrade so an OS doesn't have to be supported for a decade like XP was (a real mistake).
2) Considering Apple has only generated $2 billion in revenue from their App Store in the last 4 years is peanuts compared to the $13 billion in profit they get in most quarters now. And that $2 billion doesn't even take into effect the considerable expenses of running the store in the first place. Heck, they dropped $1 billion on their North Carolina data center and have plans to build another one in Oregon. Even if I cede it as a revenue generator, it's unlikely to be making any significant profit compared to the rest of the company.
3) Your last point still doesn't disprove my statement that the only way Google makes money is if devices are connected to the Internet, and while there are a lot of Android phones sold, there is no evidence they are connected to the Internet. A device that is not connected to the Internet makes Google zero dollars. There's no way around that logic.
Eug
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I have owned the 3G and the 4, but have used friends 3GS, 4S, and 5.
I'd say the bigger upgrade is from the 3GS to 4S. That is a ginormous upgrade, a bigger upgrade by far.
The 4 to 5 is a big upgrade, but isn't as impressive. The 5 is basically a faster 4 with LTE and a bigger screen. The problem with the bigger screen though is it isn't any wider. The 4's screen looks as good as the 5's otherwise. And yeah, while the 4 is slow by today's standards, it's not unbearably slow.
In contrast, the 3GS just felt really, really slow by the time of the 4S era, and the screen absolutely sucked in comparison.
Oh and I don't know anyone who actually uses Siri in the real world outside the car.
Aikouka
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Why not? You do realize that the 16GB iPhone costs $650, and you only pay $200 to get it, right? I think $250 is a little high for that, but that's close to the rest of what you owe on the phone. Believe it or not, but your two-year contract is nothing more than a short-term loan.
I actually found it cheaper to just switch carriers and pay the ETF.
That's actually the first that I've ever heard of the phones bending.
Heh, it's actually rather nice in the car as it comes up on my stereo like a call. In other words, it's a voice command system that actually works. The one in my Nissan is absolute junk that never works.
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There is no evidence they are connected to the internet?
A quick survey, how many people here can tell me they know somebody who owns an Android smartphone or tablet that doesn't have access to WiFi or cellular data?
Even the poorest people I know have WiFi at their home because it's cheap and ubiquitous.
zsdersw
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And you're trying too hard to rebut.
Why do you make it such an issue? Does people criticizing Apple hurt you so bad you need to rebut and refute their remarks every second you get?
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