Iphone 4S not what people wants

[Brian Stirling]

Hmmm...if Sprint could get it's shit together and roll out LTE and actually have decent coverage it's in a good position to steal a lot of customers.

Keep dreaming... Sprint will likely do with LTE what they did with WiMax -- put a token presence in each major city and call it a day.


Brian

 

[vi edit]

You just have to wonder if there's room for some company to come in an offer some reasonable data plan with decent speeds. With the penny pinching and gestapo tactics of Verizon and AT&T there should be ample room to step up and offer competitive deals and steal away customers.

 

[Brian Stirling]

While I'm the first guy to point fingers at greedy business owners I have to point out that whatever network technology you use there is a limit to the amount of data it can handle at a given moment. The rate that data bandwidth has been increasing is far slower than the rate that data demand is increasing.

Three years ago there were very few people streaming music at 100MB/day or video streaming. Face it, all the carriers are facing the same issue and have realized that they can not keep up with data demand without dramatically increasing cost.

I've been saying for a long time that the carriers will eventually move to metered billing and ending unlimited plans is the first step. You pay for electricity based on the amount you use and before long this will be how you get wireless data. So whether it's KWHrs of electricity or gallons of gasoline or MB's of data you'll pay for each as you use it.

It would be wise to NOT become too addicted to music or video streaming unless you have shit loads of money...


Brian

 

[Pliablemoose]

You just have to wonder if there's room for some company to come in an offer some reasonable data plan with decent speeds. With the penny pinching and gestapo tactics of Verizon and AT&T there should be ample room to step up and offer competitive deals and steal away customers.

I just ordered 2 refurb Straight Talk E71's, will be harvesting the sim cards and putting them in iPhone 4's I just bought off eBay for daughter & her BF. MMS is the trick to enable, but should be able to do it... do a tethered JB on 4.3.5, then do the upgrade to iOS, supposedly the settings for MMS are preserved...

$499/year unlimited talk, text, data (really about 2GB's data/month or they shut down your account)

Not exactly a turnkey thing, but it's one of the cheapest ways to get unlimited voice etc on an iPhone.

The HSPA speeds should work too on the iP4s

 

[ew915]

I just ordered 2 refurb Straight Talk E71's, will be harvesting the sim cards and putting them in iPhone 4's I just bought off eBay for daughter & her BF. MMS is the trick to enable, but should be able to do it... do a tethered JB on 4.3.5, then do the upgrade to iOS, supposedly the settings for MMS are preserved...

$499/year unlimited talk, text, data (really about 2GB's data/month or they shut down your account)

Not exactly a turnkey thing, but it's one of the cheapest ways to get unlimited voice etc on an iPhone.

The HSPA speeds should work too on the iP4s

Wow you are AWESOME, my wife's dad would never buy me an iphone 4 with paid service not ever.

 

[Aikouka]

My data plan expiration is apparently so they can move me to an iPhone 4S unlimited plan.

Wow you are AWESOME, my wife's dad would never buy me an iphone 4 with paid service not ever.

I wonder if there are any free daughters to us... err, I mean cherish and treasure forever! ()

 

[Synomenon]

So do all of the iPhone 4S models (Sprint, Verizon, AT&T) have both CDMA AND GSM radios built in?

From what I've read, it looks like the unlocked GSM model (due in November) will not have the CDMA radio.

Anyone think someone will get the GSM part of the Sprint or Verizon models unlocked to work on AT&T and T-Mobile?

 

[badb0y]

AT&T: IPhone 4S Preorders Broke Sales Records

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-iphone-4s-broke-company-s-sales-records.html
:hmm:

 

[MotionMan]

AT&T: IPhone 4S Preorders Broke Sales Records

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-iphone-4s-broke-company-s-sales-records.html
:hmm:

I did not realize there were that many 3GS owners.

MotionMan

 

[Pliablemoose]

My data plan expiration is apparently so they can move me to an iPhone 4S unlimited plan.



I wonder if there are any free daughters to us... err, I mean cherish and treasure forever! ()

LOL, no, only begat one child

I did not realize there were that many 3GS owners.

MotionMan

Wait till people see the sales figures for the 8GB iP4.

iP4s 16GB is sold out for Sprint already...

 

[MrX8503]

AT&T: IPhone 4S Preorders Broke Sales Records

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-iphone-4s-broke-company-s-sales-records.html
:hmm:

There's a handful of people around me that are upgrading to the 4S. Most of them never owned an iPhone 4 however. I'm thinking that users who don't have a 4 are more likely to upgrade to a 4S.

 

[zerocool84]

AT&T: IPhone 4S Preorders Broke Sales Records

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-iphone-4s-broke-company-s-sales-records.html
:hmm:

I automatically assume every new iPhone release is going to sell more than the last. They're always a huge event.

 

[abaez]

The iPhone 4 isn't unlockable right? Due to the newer baseband versions? I'm gonna assume that the 4s isn't as unlockable either? I dunno how all of these ebay auctions are advertising unlocked 4s' shipping October 14 when that is the case..

 

[ew915]

The iPhone 4 isn't unlockable right? Due to the newer baseband versions? I'm gonna assume that the 4s isn't as unlockable either? I dunno how all of these ebay auctions are advertising unlocked 4s' shipping October 14 when that is the case..

No it is not, i am just hoping, crossing my fingers that the verizon version has its GSM part unlock for networks outside of USA. May be a long shot but one can only hope since i have bought a 4s for verizon and planing to travel this Christmas. Yes i did preorder one

 

[runawayprisoner]

The iPhone 4 isn't unlockable right? Due to the newer baseband versions? I'm gonna assume that the 4s isn't as unlockable either? I dunno how all of these ebay auctions are advertising unlocked 4s' shipping October 14 when that is the case..

You can buy factory-unlocked devices directly from Apple now. Prices are similar to iPad 2 3G.

iPhone 4S factory-unlocked may be available by the end of the month.

It seems only the 8GB iPhone 4 can be bought factory-unlocked, though. They scrapped the 16 and 32.

 

[abaez]

You can buy factory-unlocked devices directly from Apple now. Prices are similar to iPad 2 3G.

iPhone 4S factory-unlocked may be available by the end of the month.

It seems only the 8GB iPhone 4 can be bought factory-unlocked, though. They scrapped the 16 and 32.

Yeah I know that, but that's not until November. A ton of eBay auctions are advertising unlocked 4s on release day so I was wondering how they are getting it unlocked. I guess they are wrong?

 

[Ns1]

There's a handful of people around me that are upgrading to the 4S. Most of them never owned an iPhone 4 however. I'm thinking that users who don't have a 4 are more likely to upgrade to a 4S.

which is a large amount of 3gs owners cuz we're all out of contract now waiting to upgrade

 

[runawayprisoner]

Yeah I know that, but that's not until November. A ton of eBay auctions are advertising unlocked 4s on release day so I was wondering how they are getting it unlocked. I guess they are wrong?

It's still technically unlocked if it's from Sprint or Verizon, since the GSM side of those networks should still be unlocked.

 

[ew915]

It's still technically unlocked if it's from Sprint or Verizon, since the GSM side of those networks should still be unlocked.

I would guess the gsm portion is locked so you'll be charged outrageous international roaming fees

Sent from my ADR6400L

 

[lothar]

Like I said, I don't know the political/contract structure between Apple and AT&T/Verizon. As much clout and pull as Apple (and the general public) think they have, they don't own the towers and the cell network. AT&T, and Verizon in particular were doing just fine before Apple dropped a phone in their laps. For all I know the carriers put a clause in the contract that prohibited Apple from publishing tethering apps since it was a conflict of interest with the tethering plans they would rather push on subscribers. Apple needs the carriers more than the carriers need Apple so the likely have to comply.

I don't think it's a restriction call made by Apple. I think they are simply bowing to the phone companies wishes. It's a a tricky relationship.

The carriers are trying to go after the Droid Market place too....
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-and-att-blocking-tethering-apps-android-market

Fortunately Droid users do appear to have a way around that, for now. If the carriers feel like it's abused enough they'll start packet sniffing on suspicious accounts and handing out nastygrams just like they did to iPhone users.

EDIT: actually they are already...
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/31/verizon-cracking-down-on-users-illegally-tethering-on-their-network/

I doubt Google's lawyers and negotiators are any better than Apple's.
Google also doesn't own the towers or cell network. AT&T and Verizon were also doing fine before Google dropped Android on their laps.

When you upload a software as a developer on Apple's App Store, Apple is the publisher.
This is no different from Google's Android Market. You are the developer, Google is the publisher.
Google needs the carriers more than the carriers needs Google also.

Why would the carriers make such a demand on Apple and not do the same to Google? It would be stupid of them not to do so. I seriously doubt that Google somehow negotiated a superior agreement to Apple.
More than anything it's probably Apple themselves that just doesn't want tethering on iOS, period.

I know you personally can't answer my question since neither of us knows what's in the specific contracts.
I seriously doubt that Google negotiated a more superior contract than Apple did. If they did and that explains why there are tethering apps on Android Market, then I say good for them.

Like I said before, You can turn off the cell towers in Android, enable WiFi and download the tethering apps you need if your carrier is blocking you.
Can you do the same with Apple's app store? No you can't because tethering apps are not allowed on Apple's app store(whether you're on Wifi at home or carrier towers).

 

[runawayprisoner]

I would guess the gsm portion is locked so you'll be charged outrageous international roaming fees

Sent from my ADR6400L

No point in having a SIM slot if it's locked. And if you can use local SIM abroad, there should be no such thing as an international roaming fee. There is also an option to force roaming off in the iPhone.

 

[abaez]

I think you underestimate the carriers in this situation. If it's lockable you can be damn sure they've done it. I have not read anything otherwise yet about it..

 

[finbarqs]

just happy i got my 4s

 

[jacktesterson]

I went from the 4 to a galaxy s2 and i love it

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II via Tapatalk

 

[boomhower]

On previous CMDA world phones it was common for the GSM to be unlocked for overseas use but AT&T and T-Mobile sims wouldn't work. That may be the case here as well.