Iphone 4 build quality is bluff

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In my judgement, krumme isn't trolling although he is stating his opinion rather forcefully, and in my judgement this isn't a rehash of a recent thread, although I will agree that there were quite a few threads on the subject last summer.

If you think my judgement is messed up, feel free to PM me. Let's get back to the thread topic please.

 

[Brian Stirling]

No mater what you think of Apple they do make quality products. I've owned the iPhone 3G and now have an iPhone 4 (not 4S) but I've also owned an HTC EVO 4G as well as a host of cell phones going back to 1995 -- in all probably about 10 different phones. With that said I can say that both the iPhones were quality built devices as were most of the other phones I've owned over the years.

Design is always a compromise and what we get is the best balance between weight, size, cost, function and aesthetics. Apple does place a greater emphases on aesthetics than just about anybody and that sometimes pushes the compromise too far away from function BUT it's hard to argue with there bottom line.

Samsung makes a well built phone and if they only tried a little harder to avoid making a direct copy of the iPhone they'd be better off for it. Look at there newer phones and tablets that go beyond what Apple has done and were it not for the software tweaks they've made to Android (TouchWiz) that go too far towards duplicating Apple they could be releasing products on time instead of pulling them because they've been ruled to have copied Apple.

Getting back to Apple, my new iPhone 4 is a beautifully packed devices that avoids the "used bar of soap" look of the previous versions and feels nice in your hand. But, as well built as it is the design of the antennae system was pretty bad.


Brian

 

[krumme]

I have no problems saying Apple is making quality product, except for very seldom slips, and the ip4 is the most beautifull phone in my eyes.

As for the "used bar of soap" for ip3, it is less aesthetics but more functional because:
its easier to hold the phone without slipping,
It feels subjectivesly smaller in hand and pocket
Thats why it was chosen from day 1

The hard edges of the ip4 just enhance the perception that this is a solid phone.

The point is we have to separate perception from reality here. How many reviews have we not read saying this was a superior build phone? - a phone that breaks if you drop it on rough pavement, is not described that way. You can write it is beatifull and signals quality, but is fragile if you drop it.

 

[J-Money]

I have no problems saying Apple is making quality product, except for very seldom slips, and the ip4 is the most beautifull phone in my eyes.

As for the "used bar of soap" for ip3, it is less aesthetics but more functional because:
its easier to hold the phone without slipping,
It feels subjectivesly smaller in hand and pocket
Thats why it was chosen from day 1

The hard edges of the ip4 just enhance the perception that this is a solid phone.

The point is we have to separate perception from reality here. How many reviews have we not read saying this was a superior build phone? - a phone that breaks if you drop it on rough pavement, is not described that way. You can write it is beatifull and signals quality, but is fragile if you drop it.

You are thinking durability = build quality. They are two different things. If the IP4 did not use glass but was built exactly the same would you suddenly consider it of having a high build quality?

Build Quality the IP4 is great.
Durability the IP4 is bad.

 

[krumme]

You are thinking durability = build quality. They are two different things. If the IP4 did not use glass but was built exactly the same would you suddenly consider it of having a high build quality?

Build Quality the IP4 is great.
Durability the IP4 is bad.

No.
What is build quality?
Tell me how i can measure build quality on the iphone4?

 

[runawayprisoner]

No.
What is build quality?
Tell me how i can measure build quality on the iphone4?

Build quality is how something is put together, and how solidly it is constructed. Good build quality is usually how things don't rattle or fall apart, or feel bendy and wimpy under normal pressure.

Durability is how something can withstand impact or wear, and obviously the more impact or wear something can withstand, the more durable it is.

That's how I look at it.

 

[Ns1]

Build quality is how something is put together, and how solidly it is constructed. Good build quality is usually how things don't rattle or fall apart, or feel bendy and wimpy under normal pressure.

Durability is how something can withstand impact or wear, and obviously the more impact or wear something can withstand, the more durable it is.

That's how I look at it.

:thumbsup:

 

[Phanuel]

BMW M3, superb build quality.

Using it as a daily driver and expecting 200K miles of life out it? Not at all. It's not a durable product. It's a high strung luxury performance machine.

 

[shortylickens]

BMW M3, superb build quality.

Using it as a daily driver and expecting 200K miles of life out it? Not at all. It's not a durable product. It's a high strung luxury performance machine.

The reason they dont make it to 200k is because they're so good their typical idiot customer never does any fucking maintenance on them.
The fucking space shuttle needs regular maintenance morons!

 

[Phanuel]

The reason they dont make it to 200k is because they're so good their typical idiot customer never does any fucking maintenance on them.
The fucking space shuttle needs regular maintenance morons!

Maybe, that and when things do fail like suspension components/joints and electrical it's beastly expensive to fix at that point.

 

[shortylickens]

Maybe, that and when things do fail like suspension components/joints and electrical it's beastly expensive to fix at that point.

Also the cars are so good their drivers have a tendency to run them hard. With electronics thats not so much an issue.
I was bored one day and dug up some stats. The national average for most cars is 12 thousand miles a year.
BMW's average MUCH higher than that. And hard starts & stops on average.

 

[krumme]

Build quality is how something is put together, and how solidly it is constructed. Good build quality is usually how things don't rattle or fall apart, or feel bendy and wimpy under normal pressure.

Well we have an video where the ip4 fall apart, bends and is wimpy when you drop it. Dropping the phone is quite possible for a phone. So by your definition its bad build quality?
- Build quality is how the phone works under stress, be it dropping, high humidity, long usage. Then there is functional quality, speed, ease of use...

All the reviews praising the ip4 for its superior build quality, while saying others have say flimpsy plactic feeling, just leads to phones that breaks if you drop them, is heavier, and more expensive. Aestetics is one thing, but praising the build quality is just wrong. Call it by the right name.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Well we have an video where the ip4 fall apart, bends and is wimpy when you drop it. Dropping the phone is quite possible for a phone. So by your definition its bad build quality?
- Build quality is how the phone works under stress, be it dropping, high humidity, long usage. Then there is functional quality, speed, ease of use...

All the reviews praising the ip4 for its superior build quality, while saying others have say flimpsy plactic feeling, just leads to phones that breaks if you drop them, is heavier, and more expensive. Aestetics is one thing, but praising the build quality is just wrong. Call it by the right name.

I think you are using extreme examples there.

While it is true that one can drop their phone due to some freak accident, I don't think that's something that happens on a daily basis... unless the person has some weird disorder that makes them want to drop their belongings at least once a day or so.

Normal pressure, the way I see it, is the phone inside my pocket while I sit on it or the phone in my bag while it's compressed in the luggage compartment on an airplane.

Having said that, I drop my iPhone 4 quite regularly, but not usually from higher than a waist line. I don't have a habit of standing completely erect and tall whenever I use the phone, so that may be the reason why it's still in completely perfect shape despite having no protection whatsoever. The screen or backglass also have not a single scratch that anyone can see.

That's durable enough for me, but alas, it's still just my definition of durable and build quality. I do recognize that there are devices which can survive a nuclear blast, but... sincerely, I don't suppose anything will survive an asteroid strike or something of the sort, and I wouldn't class anything as not having great build quality if that's the case.